CONTINUATION OF LEG FOAMING (without stilts):
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8278475/
I mean not to offend anyone when I say that most of the fursuit digigrade legs I have seen are not very realistic/well done.
I know I'm not one to talk, being as I'm not really a fursuit maker, but I am an artist that works with design heavily, and I enjoy designing things to look as realistic as possible around the human body.
Here we have a study I did on proportions and design of:
1. A true animal (canid) leg
2. A Human leg.
3. Fursuit digilegs using foam/padding
4. Fursuit digilegs using stilts
And to finnish, I have a tip for the actual foaming process (which is unfortunately, where I find most mess up).
First off, animal legs, apart from some muscle deviation, follow the bones, so in other words what I like to call the "Parallel Line Rule". If you see right, under "Good", it shows what the padding should basically look like on a human leg trying to look digitigrade.
Obviously, the problem in human legs is that our shin bone is too long in comparison to our thigh and foot.
Padded legs just create the illusion, around the actual human leg, of a bent knee and standing on your toes. This is the most well-known version of a fursuit digileg. The length and bend of each section of the illusioned leg all depend on your actual leg's bends and width. I find that most people to not add enough to create the gentle slopes of what a real animal leg looks like. Most I find, leave out the shin bone almost all together, which is a big mistake. More padding needs to be added to the butt so it's parallel with the front of the thigh that's coming out to create the knee joint. The butt padding should come down right to the back of your knee, for as to allow propper movement. The slope of the shin piece can be adjusted depending on mainly where your knee is and how long it needs to be in order to look atleast somewhat in proportion with the heel to toe piece (foot).
Stilts are becoming widely popular, mainly because of their effect, I even find stilts very interesting. And here, you can add length to the foot (the stilt) so that the proportion difference caused by your shin is not so great. However, there is nothing you can do about the length of your thigh in comparison to them, also, most aren't padded enough. Not to say you need to go crazy with the foam.. but if you're making a werewolf, werewolves are rippling with muscle, and if you look at a real animal's leg, the thigh is pretty much huge (wide) in comparison to the shin and foot.
Under padding in both cases can make either seem under-done and rather crappy in terms of realism. If it doesn't look natural, it doesn't look good, I don't care how toony your character is supposed to be, you aren't walking around with an outline. Realism must come into play somewhere.
Making fursuit digilegs is all about manipulating whatever medium you use around your leg to create the best illusion.
In conclusion:
Padding is everything!
Underpadding in both cases can make either look bad.
Stilts create an interesting effect, and are fun, but because you're using your actual leg joints for the digileg, there really isn't anyway for you to manipulate the joints in the illusioned digileg, therefore it can come out unproportionate and very skimpy looking.
I personally preffer the digitigrade legs that utilize the foam padding, just because it creates a better overall effect, I believe, and it is alot easier to manipulate the illusioned joints. However, it does require more padding covering your legs, therefor making it more hot, and expensive to make.
(However, stilts will always look better under-padded than straight-leg digilegs that are under-padded).
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8278475/
I mean not to offend anyone when I say that most of the fursuit digigrade legs I have seen are not very realistic/well done.
I know I'm not one to talk, being as I'm not really a fursuit maker, but I am an artist that works with design heavily, and I enjoy designing things to look as realistic as possible around the human body.
Here we have a study I did on proportions and design of:
1. A true animal (canid) leg
2. A Human leg.
3. Fursuit digilegs using foam/padding
4. Fursuit digilegs using stilts
And to finnish, I have a tip for the actual foaming process (which is unfortunately, where I find most mess up).
First off, animal legs, apart from some muscle deviation, follow the bones, so in other words what I like to call the "Parallel Line Rule". If you see right, under "Good", it shows what the padding should basically look like on a human leg trying to look digitigrade.
Obviously, the problem in human legs is that our shin bone is too long in comparison to our thigh and foot.
Padded legs just create the illusion, around the actual human leg, of a bent knee and standing on your toes. This is the most well-known version of a fursuit digileg. The length and bend of each section of the illusioned leg all depend on your actual leg's bends and width. I find that most people to not add enough to create the gentle slopes of what a real animal leg looks like. Most I find, leave out the shin bone almost all together, which is a big mistake. More padding needs to be added to the butt so it's parallel with the front of the thigh that's coming out to create the knee joint. The butt padding should come down right to the back of your knee, for as to allow propper movement. The slope of the shin piece can be adjusted depending on mainly where your knee is and how long it needs to be in order to look atleast somewhat in proportion with the heel to toe piece (foot).
Stilts are becoming widely popular, mainly because of their effect, I even find stilts very interesting. And here, you can add length to the foot (the stilt) so that the proportion difference caused by your shin is not so great. However, there is nothing you can do about the length of your thigh in comparison to them, also, most aren't padded enough. Not to say you need to go crazy with the foam.. but if you're making a werewolf, werewolves are rippling with muscle, and if you look at a real animal's leg, the thigh is pretty much huge (wide) in comparison to the shin and foot.
Under padding in both cases can make either seem under-done and rather crappy in terms of realism. If it doesn't look natural, it doesn't look good, I don't care how toony your character is supposed to be, you aren't walking around with an outline. Realism must come into play somewhere.
Making fursuit digilegs is all about manipulating whatever medium you use around your leg to create the best illusion.
In conclusion:
Padding is everything!
Underpadding in both cases can make either look bad.
Stilts create an interesting effect, and are fun, but because you're using your actual leg joints for the digileg, there really isn't anyway for you to manipulate the joints in the illusioned digileg, therefore it can come out unproportionate and very skimpy looking.
I personally preffer the digitigrade legs that utilize the foam padding, just because it creates a better overall effect, I believe, and it is alot easier to manipulate the illusioned joints. However, it does require more padding covering your legs, therefor making it more hot, and expensive to make.
(However, stilts will always look better under-padded than straight-leg digilegs that are under-padded).
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very interesting and accurate study kira. The way this is worded, i would have thought that i wrote it. Anatomy is one of these things that i really strive to get correct. so i kinda obsess wen i draw. Your attention to details here is great. hopefully all this will carry over and produce you a great quadsuit in the end!! good luck.
This is EXACTLY what I've been thinking lately. I HATE when people just throw in a random block of foam on the front of their leg, and at the back of their lower leg, making it look square and awkward, not working on the real shape or angles. I'm working really hard with my foamed legs right now, and the foam will most likely go all the way round, with one piece in front and back, with thin foam covering the areas in between, letting me move, but hides the actual shape of the foam, making for a smooth look all around. I also realized I needed a layer of foam from my butt down to my knee angle, something that most people just don't put in there at all because "I don't want my ass to look big" - hell girl, just foam it already! xD
It looks so awkward when someone has an "almost well done" leg, and then you see the straight angle on their own leg somewhere on the design
It looks so awkward when someone has an "almost well done" leg, and then you see the straight angle on their own leg somewhere on the design
Hm, I think it may depend tho. Wuffens suit padding look very nice and neutral and only have two peices of padding like most do. :3
Looking forward to see you final and wip work, Kirrow. Not many do fully padded suits. :3
Wuffen- http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7171257/
@topic/kira: One of the main reason why studios often only do two peice of paddings is probbably becuase having mulitpy padding or complete foam legs/bodies may not appeal to all since it probably will get even hotter then normal and it might cost a lot if someone want to commission a pretty complex custom foam work.
Theres those that experiment with stilts to add to the shape and some is pretty successful - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2PHw_lo6v4
But then again that isnt for everyone, some just want to be comfortable in their suit and some want to but a bit more effort/money in their work/custom suit :3
Looking forward to see you final and wip work, Kirrow. Not many do fully padded suits. :3
Wuffen- http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7171257/
@topic/kira: One of the main reason why studios often only do two peice of paddings is probbably becuase having mulitpy padding or complete foam legs/bodies may not appeal to all since it probably will get even hotter then normal and it might cost a lot if someone want to commission a pretty complex custom foam work.
Theres those that experiment with stilts to add to the shape and some is pretty successful - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2PHw_lo6v4
But then again that isnt for everyone, some just want to be comfortable in their suit and some want to but a bit more effort/money in their work/custom suit :3
Yeah, but Wuffens suit aren't just a "thrown in block of foam in the front and back" they have nice shape and the angles are considered. I've seen the suit in RL, it's uber cute, and the fur is also insanely high quality. I however want a really tight feeling to the foam, not the loose fit, that many have, so I'm going custom custom, lol :3
Shall start on the head tonight, and soon I'm done with the leg padding too.
Shall start on the head tonight, and soon I'm done with the leg padding too.
Great! :D I'm glad you like it. I really dislike it when people do that too. Like it's almost there, ALMOST! If the person had just brought the knee down alittle more or something more of the sort, it would be great looking!
I have made a sort of update to the digileg study, I will post it here at some point. Which basically shows examples of different proportions and foaming styles. Be sure to check that out! ^^ Thank you!
I have made a sort of update to the digileg study, I will post it here at some point. Which basically shows examples of different proportions and foaming styles. Be sure to check that out! ^^ Thank you!
Thank you very much for making this; I'm really thinking about designing my suit here in the future, so I'm just looking around for helpful tips about suit making and yours has been very informational. Mine is going to be made of metal though, so I'll see how this is going to work lol <3.
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