if they don't want us to have something, then we shouldn't let them have any either

have been thinking the same thing for a few years now...but i keep seeing these free speech alternatives (or even conservative themed alternatives) get de-platformed by the same type of motherfuckers who are going after conservative themed groups on FA...they dont want to give people who arent 100% woke any place to go because from their warped perception of reality, we're all extremists, conspiracy theorists, terrorists, etc...despite the fact that most of these terms actually describe the far-left much more accurately than the far-right (if there is such a thing anymore...just saying you vote R is enough to be considered far-right by the woke hive)

it would be nice if somebody made a free-speech alternative to FA that actually welcomed conservatives (or any other political ideology) without going so far out of their way to discriminate against and censor dissenting opinions if they happen to be against something the leftists are doing. FA actually used to be like this in its early days...pretty sad how far its fallen

and yeah i know Inkbunny has been discussed as an alternative but idk...not a fan of cub work for one, and two...hardly anybody NOT into cub work (or who draws it on commission) is very active there. thats the worst part about alternatives, they have a tendency to be sparsely populated (until a big-gun goes down in flames...like Tumblr did)

Tell me about it...

oh boy

typical douchebaggery among the admins here, and the woke mob that makes up a good percentage of the users. ive always hated how far-left the furry fandom is, and i dont buy the theory that its because a lot of furries are LGBT. how does one's sexual orientation have anything to do with your political beliefs? (and yes, this is a serious question, there are plenty of conservative LGBT people in the world...the founder of one of the conservative chat groups im a member of on Discord is a transsexual, so yeah...90% of conservatives really dont care if you're gay or not, i think most far-leftists only look at the evangelical conservative minority and think ALL conservatives are like that)

either way, conservative furries do in fact exist, and do in fact live peacefully among users who do not share their political ideology...but when the admins start banning groups based on politics, or start posting community statuses that are favoring a certain side...its creates division and is pretty harmful to the overall image of the "tolerant, accepting furry community"

basically, oh boy indeed >.<

I believe that the reason furries are leftist is simply because they are gay or trans or anything else. They believe that the goal of the left is to make it so they have everything handed to them.

I used to have gay friends who were so anti trump they wouldn’t even give you a chance to say your own opinions. Basically you could be their best friend and if you mention the name they’d cast you out. The classic crying in the corner to get your way strat.

I may not like em but that is kind of fucked up

really makes the admins look like hypocrites when they start going on about tolerance and acceptance within the furry fandom. guess that tolerance and acceptance is somewhat selective...

Tolerance and acceptance only if you follow the hive mind

well i certainly wouldn't be afraid to speak your mind if the desire ever comes to you! the whole goal of the far-left is to terrorize and intimidate those who dont agree with them into silence (and censor them when they fight back) so yeah...dont give them what they want, let them censor your ass and do all the real work if thats what they want. let them show the world how "tolerant" and "accepting" they are...

you're right though, this decline into pro-censorship and political intimidation has been ongoing within FA pretty much since the 2010s, but especially post-2016. its pathetic and unnecessary and makes the admins look like real fucking hypocrites. its like i said a few months back...the admins need to focus on running a furry art site instead of being political commentators/activists nobody asked for

I hate politics. And anyone who bashes either side should be treated as if they’re the bad guys.

Seems like the only side that actively attacks the other is the left against the right which is ironic because the left claims to be the calm and collected one.

I think both sides tend to take shots at each other. Personally, I try to avoid talking about politics because more often than not, it results in some kind of fight, and I don’t want to jeopardize my relationships with my friends or family over politics. I know the topic sometimes inevitably comes up, but if I can avoid the topic, I do.

It seems like In the past year the left is weaponizing the right more and more so if a furry believes you might be right sided they’ll cancel you.

Hell furries lost their minds when they found out that Scott Cawthorn was a Christian Republican (shocker) and said he was basically a nazi for it.

Yeah FNAF. The game where furries were sexualizing dead children are calling the creator, who’s a Christian, a nazi 😂

Yeah I agree. It’s just an echo chamber where you get banned for mentioning the right. So their method of political ideology is getting rid of everyone who doesn’t believe what they do so that way they think everyone does who remains.

Yeah everyone is a nazi these days.

The amusing part to me is there are LITERAL nazi furries.

People just use these words thinking that it’ll hurt others because the only power they have is name calling. And unfortunately calling someone a nazi, racist, sexist, etc is enough to destroy someone’s entire life.

If people want others to be “educated” on “woke” things then they need to change their approach.

I 100% support gay rights and trans rights n all that jazz… but if you have an elderly person, for example, who grew up and was taught that it was wrong their whole life, you can’t just yell and scream at them and expect them to suddenly be on your side.

I’m low key kinda worried how “woke” earth is gonna be. Today everyone insists on playing victim to get some sort of settlement so life is going to be very bland to avoid offending anyone.

I read an article about how a trans woman got offended and traumatized cause the school hired a “cis” male to instal radiators in the dorms. They insisted that it violated their privacy and how it affected their “safe space”. They said they don’t want men of any kind in their dorms.

Now imagine that SAME scenario but it was a male dorm writing an article about how they don’t want trans people in their dorms.

Yeah it’s crazy. Double standards at its finest for sure.

pretty much, is why i walked away from the democrats YEARS ago...i couldent believe the attitudes they started developing, how they started supporting censorship and intimidation, how they started preaching dogma that was actually really kinda racist (despite their claim that it wasnt...) along with an infinite amount of other delusions and fantasies that just dont translate into the real world...they lost the plot so hard once the SJW/Woke thing began that i dont think they'll ever be the same party again. after Occupy Wall Street ended, that was it for my association with the democrats cuz they no longer started caring about things that actually mattered...only fictional problems with fictional solutions that support narratives that only work on paper

i might not agree with conservatives on everything, but honestly, they're the only ones defending the freedom of speech, the freedom of choice, and the advocacy of our constitution/bill of rights, and that is ALL that matters

and yes i agree nobody should go bashing the other side just cuz they dont agree. i dont go out of my way to harass people i know are leftist, so it would be nice expecting the same courtesy from them if they know im conservative. to me its much easier to just leave people the hell alone, heh

Dont worry, because all the left is doing is adding more heat to the pot that's already boiling, and once the pot boils over, the left will face their fate, including these tyrannical politicians. Soon as you know it, millions upon millions of pissed off armed Americans (like me) who are loyal to this country and constitution will bring hell on earth.

i like to think so! but my biggest pet peeve right now are the rinos and armchair conservatives who talk a lot of talk, but dont do anything about it. not that you need to be a leftist-style activist, but we as conservatives shouldent be afraid to take stands when we need to. i do agree though that sooner or later the left is really gonna take things too far and end up summoning that army of pissed off Americans, rinos or not. am surprised that hasn't happened already really (if the internet and smartphones didnt exist chances are it already would have)

I believe it is because if we act out, all the little stuff we enjoy right now will be gone. All our comforts will be gone and there will be no going back, and it will be total war and chaos. Right now it's just gonna be THAT THING that the government does that there will be no other option but to fight. That one situation where if we sat around like we are now, we would all either die or the country will collapse. As of right now it's not to that point...yet.

There will be absolutely nothing here in America. No jobs, no home, no computers or video games. Just you,and your gun with a determination to fight

Good journal, because you're so right! I also want to get to know new furries (not easy for me being shy and introverted), plus many are left, some even far left... and I don't want to talk about politics when I want to meet new people,. Unfortunately, many things are politicized these days...

I'm political middle (centre ground), which is in my personal opinion and definition, the best arguments from moderate left AND moderate right combined. But mainstream politics moved clearly to the left. And anything a *bit* right from left-extremism is already nazi for some people. Many people quarrel about political stuff. Divide et impera. smh

So how to get to know furries without the "hah, you're a nazi?" - "hah, you're sheeple?" just good old friendships and no quarreling? THAT would be nice. So, FA isn't good for that, but Weasyl and Inkbunny is? Any tips would be great! As said I'm already reluctant to meet new people, because I'm in no mood to discuss and talk about politics. Moderate left AND right are both ok, and the extremes are not. Simple as that.

My fat finger slipped on my phone and my previous comment became hidden. The gist was that I came across this journal while looking for information on recent admin deletions on FA and, while I’m not right-wing, I figured you guys should know that some major left-wing groups ( DemFurs,  FurrySocialists, etc.) are down too, while a few minor conservative groups still exist and will probably meet the same fate if you try migrating to them. My guess is that admins are trying to decrease political discourse on the site by banning more people and groups from the platform. I wouldn’t be surprised if things only get worse in the near future.

Yeah, maybe (just maybe) it's a good idea to delete all political topics, discussions, groups, and also religious and other topics that can lead to heated personal quarrels and arguments, although this would feel like censoring and being against free speech, but we don't need more splitting (split up, separation, division, or whatever the correct term is) in society. Being furry in 90s was much more relaxed, today everyone is a "political expert" and whatnot. I don't want to meet new people and one the first question is "are you FOR or AGAINST 'them'?" (we-against-them stuff). Just some rant.

Oh they won’t do that. The site’s antifa group is going strong and probably even has a fair few members among the current admin staff. I have a hunch that the DEMfurs and FurrySocialists got taken down in an attempt to maintain the illusion of impartiality. The site’s owner has probably wanted GOPfurs gone for a while in part because his threat to ban anyone who expressed support for Jan 6 was ignored by many of their members. It is entirely possible that he felt like doing so would look better if the DEMfurs and FurrySocialists were told to shut down too. That is, of course, just an educated guess right now.

Also, if you ever get your hands on a 90s time machine, may I borrow it? I’d like to experience sex with a masculine man who doesn’t have shit taste in underwear at least one more time in my life and contemporary gays are just not cutting it at all in either respect.

>> I have a hunch that the DEMfurs and FurrySocialists got taken down in an attempt to maintain the illusion of impartiality.<<

That's what I think, too, it's very obvious.

Hehe, as for me I wanna have an 80s time machine! No people arguing over politics all the time, not everyone being a "political expert", simpler life, pre internet times, etc, was just great!

Ah, the Bathory and Celtic Frost years. I must admit, I’d have loved to have visited the Catacombs sex club in San Fran back when it still existed. The porn didn’t seem bad either, from what I’ve seen of it.

heh, only thing i noticed with those two groups though is that both were "voluntarily" disabled, displaying the standard message ive seen plenty of times on FA before for various reasons...ive NEVER seen "pending deletion by request from administration" on ANYBODY'S userpage before, group or otherwise...is starting to fall in line with rumors ive heard about people getting banned for no reason other than the admins saying, "we feel you arent a good fit for our community"

and its not like GOPfurs was inactive, the owner posted all the time and the group had a ton of participation, they even left a shout on my userpage just a few days before the group got shut down...the shout they left being automatically deleted (and no i was not aware of any drama going on, didnt see any in the shouts or in any of the journals...if there was any drama it was going on elsewhere...and typically a user getting suspended would have a "!" by their name, or show the "voluntarily disabled" message. idk, its just weird, and with everything going on lately with FA, i dont feel im being excessively paranoid >-<

honestly if decreasing political discourse is what the admins have in mind by outright banning groups that have done nothing more than exist, its only gonna make everybody more political on their own userpages, or in their uploads, etc...the groups were nice for people who were interested in politics to upload political content, discuss (or fight) with people, etc...separate from their main identities. if the admins think this is a problem, it really isnt D= the problem is the admins themselves getting overly political, or going out of their way to impose their own views when they should really be focused on running the site rather than being political commentators.

but you're right about it probably getting worse, seems like theres a bit of a witch hunt going on here ._.

I didn’t say anyone got deleted for being inactive. My guess at this point is that each group was probably given an ultimatum, at which point groups like I mentioned probably caved and disabled on their own volition, while groups like GOPfurs and NRAfurs refused and got deleted by force. You can come to your own conclusions of course. I merely bring up some things you may have not been aware of.

yeah thats true...something like "delete this or be IP banned" or something...i could see that >.< still, you mentioning that the site's Antifa group is still around is just mind blowing for me, cuz to me Antifa represents the kind of extremism that i wouldn't really expect from Demfurs or GOPfurs (considering they're a terrorist group in practice despite preaching something admirable on paper)

guess we'll see if they get banned next, but if you suspect that some of the admins are involved then chances are they wont...just everybody else (which also sends a really great message of tolerance and acceptance...the kind the Mafia or Yakuza would approve of) either way, im glad im not the only person to have noticed this trend, regardless of politics

Well if the inevitable erosion of free speech on this platform ever gets you down, you could always use your InkBunny account as a place to post honest opinions. At least for the moment, its owner seems to have a much more robust commitment to upholding classical liberal or, as I suppose they’re usually called nowadays, “libertarian” values. In fact, I know at least a couple of people who’ve recently been banned or otherwise punished on FA moving their offending content to InkBunny without much trouble (beyond angry arguing and complaining in the comment sections, of course).

Well, well, well. So you're a conservative now?

You won't recognize me, so I'll tell you that I'm also from DA. We had an exchange of thoughts there back in '11 (I think) over your less-than-flattering depiction of conservatives in one of your political profile plane drawings. Do you recall that?

Welcome to the common sense club. We're glad to have you. I'd love to hear the story of your metamorphosis, if you're willing.

ah yes, i remember those pics ^^; they're total cringe now, already had to warn one conservative friend of mine who decided to uncover my DA page last week about the stuff like that there ^^; i dread to think of what came out of my keyboard back then in our exchange XDXD but its not an unusual story anymore though, about half the conservatives i know today used to identify as liberal at some point in their past...

as far as metamorphosis though, it all started for me when Occupy ended. the Occupy movement hit on a lot of valid points about elitism and income inequality due to shady corporate/business practices and such, but was hijacked by a lot of nutjobs who tried to make it about EVERY fringe leftist talking point and yeah...the movement disintegrated because they couldn't stay focused. from the ashes of Occupy, the SJW movement began...and i remember reading about "trigger warnings" for the first time in my college newspaper my senior year. i thought the very idea of such things was stupid and that nobody except the most bleeding heart among us would go along with such nonsense, well, i was wrong ._. after graduating i watched the SJW thing grow bigger and bigger online, and start spilling out into real life (so glad i was out of college when this garbage started). the movement was clearly anti-free speech, pro-censorship, and honestly pretty damn racist, so i was kinda shocked to see mainstream democrats bend over backwards catering to these lunatics, when they so clearly represented the total opposite of what i thought liberalism stood for. nothing real actually mattered to these people, they no longer cared about anything except banning offensive words or forcing inclusion and diversity on people who had nothing against X Y or Z to begin with. then BLM came around and showed the world that only black *criminal* lives mattered; black people affected by said criminals weren't important to BLM apparently, and the whole anti-cop thing really drove that nail home for me cuz while police brutality is a real issue...you dont solve crime by hating all cops and removing them from the areas criminals are. so by 2015 i'd say i was really starting to question my allegiance to the democratic party.

then election year, 2016, most democrats already seemed to be predominately SJWs at this point cuz Bernie Sanders was clearly the most popular candidate, every liberal loved him, yet somehow Hillary Clinton got the nomination...somebody so hated even among her own party that to this day i refuse to believe she legitimately earned that position. she was the establishment candidate and the DNC was playing it safe cuz they felt there was no way Trump would win. well yeah...by forcing the most hated candidate for president in American history through, the liberals managed to get Trump elected (which was probably a good thing in the face of a potential Sanders administration). i was not a fan of Trump then but i also wasn't against him either, so at that point i was just like yeah...fuck the democrats and fuck liberalism. with the SJW thing taking over and the Mafia-style corruption in the democratic establishment, its clear they dont care about normal people anymore, they only care about their own power. they dont represent free speech or the freedom of choice anymore, and they especially dont represent equality or the constitution anymore!

so i pretty much disowned the democrats right there and then, and have watched the left get more and more insane as SJW turned into Woke and all the principles i stood for ended up being abandoned by the left and taken up by the right. plus i was out of college and working in the real world by 2016...it doesnt take long to figure out how things actually are outside of a college campus. seeing how the real world works and what concepts are actually practical is much more enlightening than reading about theories in books. this is what makes people "educated idiots" cuz they end up becoming all theory and cant process why things might work differently in practice. that college degree just means you can regurgitate dogma, thats all

so yeah...basically the rise of Wokeism was what made me switch sides; its represents the death of everything liberals used to stand for, it really does. in the face of such extremism, the conservatives are pretty much everything liberalism used to be (or at least thought it was...old time conservatives will still tell me liberals have always been this extreme, and they're probably right XD) so yeah...my core principles are still the same as they were when we last spoke in 2011...its just those principles are actually represented by conservatives now. plus actually being out in the world is showing me more and more each day that the conservatives have been right about a lot of things i thought they were wrong about 10 years ago.

im just glad i walked away from liberalism before covid...if i had somehow held onto a false belief that democrats still represented my core principles i would have been CRUSHED by their response to the covid situation, which has been the most aggressive push towards global authoritarianism since classical antiquity. never in my life would i have expected such behavior to be coming from the left, even knowing how nuts the Woke crowd was prior to 2020. that blow was softened considerably by no longer identifying as democrat for 4 years prior to the shit hitting the fan

Don't worry because you impressed me with how erudite you were and how effectively you stood up for yourself. That's exactly why I responded another 3 or 4 times in that thread. I tried repeatedly to make you realize that you took things way too far, but you weren't having it. :-D

It's fascinating that you used to think the Left was gutless, but now your criticism of conservatives is that they're not strident enough. A total 180. I agree, of course. It's worthless to put a "Freedom Lives Here" sticker on a bumper but planning no action to combat the corruption that is everywhere.

I used to think Occupy was scruffy -- though I agreed with them about corporate greed -- but they were nothing compared to the outright rabble that would come in the forms of BLM and Antifa! A year after Occupy disbanded, those kids were shoveling people's sidewalks. Can you imagine the current crop of "protesters" doing anything remotely helpful?

I'm glad I attended college in the early '90s. I got elected to the post of editorial page editor for the campus newspaper by a staff that was predominantly liberal, and they knew I was to the Right. That was still an era where you could agree to disagree and focus on what a person brought to the table rather than to cast them aside as wicked. Though I knew some flamboyantly liberal people in college, it was as if the liberalism among my paper colleagues and other students was a spectrum. There's no moderate liberalism anymore. It seems to be a complete phenomenon of the past.