Thanks for the link! I study astrology pretty in-depth.

hmm interesting

I have no idea why people believe that crap. Whatever happened to, you know, free will, and making yer own path?

Agreed.

Free will may be more an illusion than horoscopes. It may be the premise of how we interpret our actions but there's yet been no proof that it actually exists :P

Iunno, if you think that what you do isn't decided by you, and you alone, I think you have a pretty bleak outlook on life.

Iunno, if you think that what you do isn't decided by you, and you alone, I think you're terribly disconnected from the world and its natural rhythms.

Iunno, if you think that what you do isn't decided by copy-pasta, and copy-pasta alone, I think you're terribly copy-pasta from the pasta and its copy.

You have angered me.

Taste my blade, forged in the fires of Sarcasm.

I have tasted your blade, and found it lacking. Try some salt, or maybe Mrs. Dash, to liven up the flavors. Or bacon. It makes everything better.

I'm tired of your snide insinuations.

THat's it, son, it's about to go down >:[

Oh wait, I guess this one was aimed at me.

It's hard to be a son when I'm someone's daughter. Your smilie face is not so smilie.

PREPARE TO FEEL MY WRATH, DEVIL BEING. Jeez, bro, you are hella cheesy.

Katanas can totally cut through tanks! I saw it in an anime once :O

Don't patronize me.

Also, get off my West Coast >:[

It's not very hard to patronize you when you act like an evil villain out of a fantasy novel, bro. Lay offa acting like yer gonna cast a hex on me or something, and maybe I wouldn't make fun of you.

Plz don't take internets serious :O

Wait, which one of these two comments was aimed at me? I cannot tell with this silly FA comment stacking.

The one about you making snide insinuations :3

http://fuseblog.typepad.com/.a/6a00.....2f5a970c-800wi

fffff what is with FA being all retarded with posting links lately?

The longer I look at that pic the more I want to cut myself.

Thanks, now I won't be able to sleep D:

That's not a mustache, that's his nose hair.

*cut*

Agreed.

I'm surprised to see how many slaves to free will there are running around these days. Something must be done, my friend.

(Snake and Leo, until death!)

What's the point of watching a movie if you can't determine how it ends? <:3

Word

Thanks for answering the obvious question. I hope you realize that my question was an attempt to parallel your original question by the usage of metaphor.

The point of living, thus far, is still to live. Free will is an illusion, so I've discovered :3

Because whether you have free will or not is a trivial matter. Your life has a story to tell, and whether or not you're at the reins it WILL play itself out, and you have no way of ever knowing if the decision was yours to make.

And how would it be a waste of time? What greater pursuit does one such as you have that surpasses experiencing life? And please don't think that you can't "have fun" without free will, that sounds terribly rebellious of you.

Experiencing life has. As well as not believing that I am not in some way affected by the things that happen around me, however abstract and misunderstood they may be. So has a lifetime of "coincidences", both involving myself and even entire web of my family.

If you choose to disbelieve something like this and emphasize the "free will" that you feel you have, by all means do so. You can't deny that you are only a product of your surroundings, but a slave to your own illusions.

I don't really believe in the daily horoscopes and understand people's disbelief in them as well. Most of them are self fulfilling prophecies because they aren't actually reading the planet alignment. I have a daily calendar that is pretty accurate, and I don't read it at the beginning of my day. I read it at the end to see how accurate it was.

Most people also need to realize there are other factors to astrology that make it more precise. Such as cuspians (people born in between the changing of two signs, such as my boyfriend born on the first day of Cancer), and the fact you technically have 3 signs in Western Zodiac. (As I don't know much about the Chinese one). Your sun sign which is your commonly known one, your moon, and your rising/ascendant sun. There are also different decans in each sign depending on your exact birthdate and all that. As well as natal charts to show how many degrees you are into all 3 of your signs.

The sun is usually more of a representation of your soul, your moon is your heart, and the rising sun is "the face you show the world" for a casual definition.

However, at least for me and all the people I know they are eerily accurate with their personality descriptions. Especially when you get more in depth like that. And that's not a bash against free will or choosing your own path, its just an interpretation of self. The daily/weekly/monthly whatever ones trying to say how your life will be for that time period is the only thing your comment seems to apply to. :>

I think I love you.

|3

Horoscopes get high accuracy through the use of a technique known as 'hot reading', the reading is worded so that much of it is either true for almost everyone, or is meaningless but phrased so that it's easy to think of it as correct.

This has been especially well tested when it comes to those personality descriptions, with consistent results of 80%+ saying that it described them well or very well even though everyone in the study received the exact same description.

Got any resources?

And again, the first point was for the daily horoscope thing. I already know about that and debunk it personally, cause again. Self fulfilling prophecy since most of it isn't very personal at all. Its about the same as reading your fortune in a fortune cookie.

A quick google finds a list of studies at:

http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/.....o_you_mea.html

And those _are_ about detailed natal charts, not daily horoscopes.


If astrology worked, why does no astrologer want to be paid a million dollars for doing at most a couple dozen charts? Not to mention the advertising value of having won the Randi prize.

horoscopes is a matter of convince, some day's it's right, some day's is isn't. i look at my yesterday horoscope then I'm like "Exactly...what happen" you flurry's never believes in anything so meh....

Don't follow the daily horosopes, those are the real BS here, they're simply a part of modern pop culture >_<

i don't, that hing is i go my about my business then i look at yesterday's horoscope and i tell my self "that is what happen that day."

and don't get me wrong, cuz i guess you didn't get what i posted "furies don't believe in anything." you don't know how many times I've seen a furry self proclaim them self "atheist <insert witty text here>" in my opinion y'all just a bunch of pussy that can't take the criticism religion gives y'all, but that's just my opinion.

pardon my spelling and grammar Spanish is my first language

Well for English as your second language, you're rather familiar with our colloquiallisms, are you not? And who says furries don't believe in anything? Have you not seen my most adamant defense of the Eastern Zodiac and its validity? And unlike many here (Yourself included) I am NOT denying the fact that I am a furry. (The Atheist Chaplain was a JOKE, there are NO Atheist Chaplains in the military, for future reference)

So please don't generalize us like that, and don't you dare try to disguise a blatant insult as "just your opinion". Also, the problem isn't religion, it's the faith required to follow it. I may not follow any established religion, but my own beliefs are often taken to be even MORE outlandish then say a Fundamentalist Christian (Again, refer to my defense of astrology). But that really is just me.

Last, if you're so keen on generalizing and stereotyping furries, what the hell are you doing here in the first place? And I'm afraid you'll find the criticism furries receive for being furry alone is also quite the burden. But you knew that.

pardon me then, ill change that to "majority" then if that makes you feel better.

now my problem is that this is what happen, most furs that get into religious disputes usually end up pulling things like this out of there ass and trowing it down there and getting it personal....

my thought on furrys and religion is not how i was raised it's by what the furrys have shown me.

the FPC has about 6 people on there block list from spamming and annoying there admin and moderators (is one), when the FPC does nothing more then prays for the sick and the dead, and these people go there and spam them, it's sad how they degrade them selves.

It's not a matter of making me feel better, and if you're going to attempt to insult me do it outright, I don't have time to play your games.

So listen here, kid, when you go around calling all furries pussies, no shit they're going to get personal. Don't try and hide under the guise of some holy man that just prays for the sick and the dead, because you're a hypocrite. And as a moderator of a group whose number one point on their page is "Respect others", you sure do a good job of disrespecting anyone without a religion. And why? Because you think they don't belive because they're "just a bunch of pussy that can't take the criticism religion gives [them]"?

I don't give a shit about your FPC, this is between me and your.

....?

wow, man take a fucking chill pill. it sucks i can criticize most people and get in trouble but be called a "kid" and you to getaway with it.

now the thing is this i don't give a shit either ill keep thinking most homosexual furry atheist are pussy's cuz they can't take criticism now get over it, they've proved me that's what most of um do, you can't disproved what you've proved

When you act like a kid you'll be called nothing less. And sorry, it's hard to sit idly whenever I come across a hive of bigotry.

And likewise. You've proven yourself to be the most disrespectful, high-ridden individual I've ever come across, and what's better you represent a supposed group of tolerance and respect as a moderator. Good job!

My friend, I think you and I operate one a similar wavelength, having read several of your journals has led me to believe so. What signs are you, out of curiousity?

Sagittarius + water dog

Yup yup....me mum's a dog too...we do get along well, yes :3

Wow thats friggin cool! lov ethezodiac thanks for the article Miff

I see correlation, but not causation. "This mechanism is hotly debated among scientists, and evidence for it is weak." There's a tremendous gap here: how is a weak comparison between cosmic rays and tree growth related to personality development and fortune-telling?

Mifmaf left off a couple of things:

This is a small, localized study.

The observed effect is weak.

The probable mechanism for any effect is through the known impact of energetic particles on cloud formation.


As for it supporting astrology, this is one of those where you can see it, if you turn your head sideways and squint.

And conk yourself on the head with a claw hammer a few times. XP

Personally, the only common thing I see in all different systems of Astrology is the human need to believe in any kind of crap that give them some hope.

I'm the self proclaimed Atheist Chaplain here on Post, but even I've found the craziest correlations through Chinese astrology, and it's not the kind that gives hope either, so that's not why I believe in it.

One example involved a divorce between my parents, looked up both of their signs, and sure enough there were problems :P

Not fun, btw.

It gives hope because it gives people the idea that the Universe makes sense. It gives people the idea their utterly insignificant and irrelevant lives are connected with some cosmic-scale event in the heavens.

That's what I meant by Astrology giving people hope. Because people are afraid of the true chaotic nature of the world and they will cling to the fantasy of a “destiny” written in the stars.

Well I don't look at it so much as a destiny, but merely something that affects the underlying principles of one's personality. Where people go from there is up to them. Also I doubt anyone with any real experience with astrology tries to make sense of the Universe through though it, that's a rather grand undertaking for a creature so small. It's really just a tool that can be used to help understand people. I've personally had ass-tons of success with it, so I'm biased in that respect.

I also once thought that anything that involved hope or faith to work was instantly rubbish, however I soon discovered this an even MORE pretentious and arrogant outlook on the world. I had evolved from "what I believe is true" to "you're all wrong, period." I can only ask you to reconsider, nothing more.

I was just commenting. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. And I definitely don't have any intention of being convinced of anything.

Word

As was I, but I don't appreciate you saying people follow certain beliefs out of fear.

Exactly where did I say that? I said it gave people hope, not fear.

"Because people are afraid of the true chaotic nature of the world and they will cling to the fantasy of a “destiny” written in the stars."

Also, referring to these things as crap also doesn't help either, but I'm not here to lecture you.

Astrology isn't some kind of religion though or comfort, again its an interpretation of self and all that. So I don't really see how that applies.

Unless its they believe their ever day horoscope and all that, to which you can see my post above. :<

Not to be a dick mifmaf. But horoscopes claim to dictate personality, and vague future events for individuals correct?

1. No one knows the future.

Secondly horoscopes were designed as away in ancient times to explain certain aspects of ones personality. Infact mythology was used to explain all sorts of things.

Wasnt until some one said " X events are caused by natural forces." did we start getting closer to the truth.

What your proposing sounds enticing but its misleading. The thought of solar cycles (11 of the solar behaviors detected) effect life is true and believable. To extrapolate it into saying it sets personality is quite a stretch. There are too many factors that effect personality, genetics, upbringing, life experiences. All of which play a role that cant be simply defined by 8640 possible out comes.

I would say its also impossible to determine in a scientifically and unbiased way, that horoscopes had an effect on personality based on celestial events. Due to the fact that the population sample is biased due the persons knowledge of there own sign(s).

There would be a population that wanted to live up to their sign. Which would skew the data one way and then you could have a set population that does not believe and they could skew it in the other direction.

So it would be difficult to verify anyways. Leading neurological research is showing that the personality resides in the brain. Yes that wonderful organ that is the power house of just about everything we do.

And just to correct a HUGE error that i see people still spout out this day is the term " We only use 10 % of our brain" this was proposed in 1910 thats right 1910 before, Pet scans, MRIs, Immunohistochemistry. Its incorrect. We use a majority of our brains and it can be seen using the aforementioned techniques, and new developing tehcniques. As a NeuroScientist I felt I should say that :P

Btw Gemini+Water Dog

I don't believe that horoscopes can be used to determine the future. Those dailies are complete gibberish.

However what I do believe is that influence on our development and genes can alter how our brains and organs develop. These parts of our bodies can predictably alter our moods and personalities. The time spent gestating in the womb and the conditions found therein are the single largest determining factor in how we will grow up.

Oh i agree with you i just dont think it can be accurately described by horoscopes :P. Its alot more complicated than "Whats your Sign"

We will figure it out though hehe. :)

I suppose the only final thing to do is to prove that the radiation has specific effects on humans... Another 100 years left to go.. and then after THAT, show how those specific effects cause personality shifts.. and then after THAT, put those personality shifts at birth to now daily applications of such a person... :(

oh well, the scientific process is long and arduous.

Too much effort ;_;

I know. :| I wish I could just Astral Project and figure it all out that way. 8|

teeheeeeee, I love these coincidences, we are so mixed as humans but still coincide in our ancient studies of the universe

o/~ Now you may find it inconceivable or at the very least a bit unlikely
that the relative position of the planets and the stars could have
a special deep significance or meaning that exclusively applies to only you,
but let me give you my assurance that these forecasts and predictions
are all based on solid, scientific, documented evidence, so you would have
to be some kind of moron not to realize that every single one of the is absolutely true. o/~