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Ugh i wish "blocking" someone on here actually removed them as a watcher and prevented them from seeing your stuff. But all it does is stop them from being able to comment... they can still freely enjoy the content made by people they and the politics to which they subscribe want to annihilate, and that just seems... wrong somehow
On that note, conservative bigots need to get the fuck out of the furry community. People who support the right and its oppression of LGBTQ+ folks (especially the all out war on trans rights, lately) are not welcome here on my page and should not be welcome anywhere in furry spaces.
EDIT: I know it's kind of late to address this, but i feel i need to emphasize the fact that i said "conservative bigots" not all conservatives.
Look... bigotry (particularly racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc) is a fundamental, core component of the modern american republican party, there's really no arguing that. And modern american politics is the lens through which my comments are projected, as i live in the USA. Conservative politicians here don't even try to hide their bigotry anymore... Obviously i think supporting those politicians causes harm, especially to the types of people of which our fandom is largely composed. BUT. I also know most of the people here are not themselves actively trying to be harmful to anyone.
This journal caused a few people, even one i'd known in passing for a long time, to show their true colours, and they've been blocked (for what little good it does) - it was to them and those like them that the original intent and title of this journal was addressed, really.
Most of you, though i may not understand how you can rationalize voting the way you do, are not in fact bigots yourselves.
I'm not sorry for this journal, but i feel what i said was blown out of proportion. Also i was angry, frustrated, and taking a break to detox from twitter... really what can ya do. World's goin' down
On that note, conservative bigots need to get the fuck out of the furry community. People who support the right and its oppression of LGBTQ+ folks (especially the all out war on trans rights, lately) are not welcome here on my page and should not be welcome anywhere in furry spaces.
EDIT: I know it's kind of late to address this, but i feel i need to emphasize the fact that i said "conservative bigots" not all conservatives.
Look... bigotry (particularly racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc) is a fundamental, core component of the modern american republican party, there's really no arguing that. And modern american politics is the lens through which my comments are projected, as i live in the USA. Conservative politicians here don't even try to hide their bigotry anymore... Obviously i think supporting those politicians causes harm, especially to the types of people of which our fandom is largely composed. BUT. I also know most of the people here are not themselves actively trying to be harmful to anyone.
This journal caused a few people, even one i'd known in passing for a long time, to show their true colours, and they've been blocked (for what little good it does) - it was to them and those like them that the original intent and title of this journal was addressed, really.
Most of you, though i may not understand how you can rationalize voting the way you do, are not in fact bigots yourselves.
I'm not sorry for this journal, but i feel what i said was blown out of proportion. Also i was angry, frustrated, and taking a break to detox from twitter... really what can ya do. World's goin' down
They doxed me - though again, he actually leaked a mix of my dad and my cousin's info. I did manage to yeet them off of Patreon, and if I remember right, all his Patreon stuff was worth around $5-7k a month. He then went to throw a fit over at DeviantArt. Of course, me keeping peeps up to date with what I was doing probably got several other victims to report them to Patreon as well.
Sadly, how ever, it looks like one of their project - Catastrophe - is still alive and well on Patreon, as well as on IB. Haven't seen it on FA for a while now though.
https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/FAFcomics
=^.,.^=
I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad it makes you want to cry.
The fact that this even needs to be voiced is pretty pathetic, isn't it? As much as I enjoy uploading to this website, I do not appreciate the null blocking system, and the fact that IPs are also not considered whatsoever so anyone can make 40 different accounts and let the harassment continue.
In the 21st century, in today's day and age, I think it's so insane that we haven't progressed in any sort of online protection for real victims of this sort of thing. I've been trying to get away from one single person for 2 years now, and on everywhere he can find of doing it, he stalks, slanders and harasses me -- no one seems to care, no matter how loud I, or we, collectively, cry. It's really not normal.
You'd also think that with all of the anti-bullying campaigns everywhere these days, as well as suicide rates at an all-time high, that something would be done.
I don't know how many tears and blood has to be shed in order for someone to implement legitimate blocking systems /anywhere/. This isn't just for FA, but for any site where we should be able to just get away from real life and come online. But ESPECIALLY for those who like drawing fuzzy little animals and the likes. It blows my mind how evil people can be when we're on here to just enjoy some good art. It's pretty scary to think of the 'people' hiding behind their computer screens. =\
Trans rights are human rights. Just as any human with a non-standard disorder, perspective, religion, and sexuality are still bloody humans... As long as no one is being harmed, you have no right to trample on them or condemn them. And no, saying "But MY religion is being trampled" does not count, because no one is FORCING you to be like them... Just... accept them as humans and give them equal rights. *sigh*
'w';... Sorry... I don't normally touch politics because I can get heated...
Your opinions here is why I adore and respect ya.
FA's needed a better blocking/blacklist systems for years
As Jello Biafra so aptly put it in Nazi Punks Fuck Off, "You'll be the first to go unless you think".
But just to add some nuance to the discussion, ALMOST everyone who has blocked me is someone who I respect and mean no harm or disrespect to who did so do because of the misinterpreting of something I said.
Do you really think that people shouldn't be free to follow/unfollow/block or not anyone they wish? -And I've already told you my feelings about blocking and why.
Personally, I believe some things are not deserving of tolerance. Would you scorn someone who is intolerant of pedophiles? You've already come out in favor of shunning anybody who is intolerant of persecuting minorities and mental/emotional abuse (just now, in fact).
Just a point of idle curiosity that affects me not at all one way or the other.
Do not tolerate the intolerant... But here's the thing, you're surrounded by intolerant people who want transgendered people to be arrested, killed, tortured, or abused. Yet you look a blind eye away from it because "hey, they agree with me on -some- things"
A reminder of this:
What do you call a citizen who lets a nazi do what they want? Another nazi. The same goes for the horrible people you surround yourself with. You may call them friends, or even have many great memories, but it is your responsibility to help them understand that what they're doing is wrong. And if they refuse to change? Condemn them.
I'm taking my persona mask off because this is honestly serious... And it's sad when people don't realize their friends are hurting others... Worse is when they join in the rhetoric because they too have been fed so much misinformation and lies, they don't want to break their worldview because of it.
So look at what you said. Read it.
"I don't believe in supporting the intolerant."
I've seen you in ALL manner of Right Wing furry journals... Showing off just how FUCKING intolerant they are... You never once unwatched them, now did you? You joined in.
So either you're a hypocrite, or you're acting out of anger because this person targeted someone (or many people) you seem to have 'positive relations' with. In which, you're still technically a hypocrite, just an angry one...
The right wants trans people to stop existing. I'm sorry to say, but that's incompatible with what we stand for here in the furry community, a community that, if you've not noticed, is filled with LGBTQ+ people.
The slight amusement of these man-brat morons constantly screaming into the void is greatly outweighed by the knowledge that most of them are sitting at home stewing over all their passed grudges and looking for outlets on which to vent their frustration.
I haven't said a word about what I do for a living for over a decade because some of the people on my block list have openly stated their intent to spam my employer with complaints until I'm fired.
The simple truth is that they're all full of shit and they know it. And the hypocrisy of decrying intolerance of their intolerance is nothing new. All that's changed is that now they're proud to be hypocrites.
But go off.
nowhere in their user profile do they say they're from celtic/scotch irish, nor do you have any idea whether they're poor or not. You had no reason to use that term other than in a racist context
but go off, racist <3
white trash is offensive, too. black trash, asian trash, mexican trash no matter what flavour you put on it, its racism.
No one said it did...at no point did i ever say it was okay, which i why i said i would never do so
which is why this frame work of yours annoys me, it’s geared to look for victimization,
What i did say was that the term cracker being used in the way it was had more akin to an insult then to a racial slur
it’s still counts but only as a technicality, which seems very small and unconcerning to be such adamant and fundamental about,
I’m far more cornered with white supremacists using the n-word while walking into black grocery stores and ethnically cleansing the place
Then i am with some offended hick not liking being called cracker as they sit in their home safe and sound and fume about it on twitter or the internet.
*you wouldn't call a black person a cracker because it's not a racial epithet toward black people.*
I wouldn’t call anyone a slur, but then again i don’t consider it that big a priority in the case of “cracker” regardless because I also have enough brains and nuance to know what is victimization and what is exploitation of victimization,
*it perpetuates racism toward white people, both from whites and non-whites.*
Yes what racism does it perpetuate... what stereotype does it reinforce? oh right it was an insult used by one group abasing another group based on class/wealth distinction...
so what actual racism does it perpetuate that again the words like hick or white trash doesn’t do the same for?
are we going to ban thsoe words/insults now as slurs? what about bitch, after all that’s calling someone a female dog that’s got to be a slur...
Mother fucker? i guess after all accusing people of fornicating with their parental figures is also can be framed to be a slur right?
Again i’m willing to not use the word myself but the amount of concern over it is not based on anything of value other than theory, which doesn’t impress me.
*racism is racism and you arent helping fight it by insinuating cracker isnt a 'big boy' slur so it shouldnt be taken seriously as a word of racism*
Again this is a childish understanding of the concept and the kind of absolutist trash arguments that the right so often push about the first amendment and other such
Context matters, as does nuance, And it’s only through these things that actual progression is made not stoic fundamental adherence.
*white trash is offensive, too. black trash, asian trash, mexican trash no matter what flavour you put on it, its racism.*
Yes but now it comes down to banning and or decrying anything that is offensive as thus racist
and where do we end with this claptrap?
nope
you're not going to rewrite the definition of a word. cracker has ALWAYS been a racial epithet. yoou're not going to try to rewrite that defintiion to fit your narrative
WHY is it specifically a RACIAL epithet? EVERY dictionary mentions it being directed toward a WHITE person. THAT is a racial slur. It's NOT just an insult. theres a reason why hate crimes are specifically different from a regualr crime, and its the specific inclusion of RACE being a motivator that increases the charges. this is no different with slurs. when it's racially motived, it's RACIST. its not just an insult, otherwise nigger would just be an insult.
"* it perpetuates racism toward white people, both from whites and non-whites.*
Yes what racism does it perpetuate... waht stereotype does it reinforce? oh right it was an insult used by one group gains another group based on class distinction..."
thats not what people remember when they use the word cracker today and you know that and the fact that you know that and still wrote that sentence says to me you're okay with racism, it's just an 'insult!', as long as it fits your specifications. it was also based on RACE as well, not JUST class distinction. it aws NEVER used to refer to a black perosn. ONLY ever white. you conveniently left thtat out. hmmmm wonder why,....... because it doesnt fit your racist, anti-white narrative
sick of people masking their racism as fighting oppression
no sane person would be sitting here arguing about how nigger isn't that bad, i don't know hwy you choose to die on the hill of why another racist term isn't that bad
im also not accepted by my own country of origin because im a half-half. people dont like mixed race in my country especially if its black mix . im denied renting apartments by many people because of my black half [it was legal to do so]. i experience actual racism in my home country of Japan. ostracised as a child for looking different
but you also dont need to be fragging racist against white people nor try to guilt trip explain why its okay to use a slur against whites but not others
i've been attacked by people who THOUGHT i was white, because i have light skin thanks to the asian half. ive experienced racism for a race i am noit even! i've experienced racism for being black! i've experienced racism for being asian!
stop being racist okay???
dont know what in your head made you think this was okay to post at all jfc
not only are you racist, but you think its okay to dehumanize others by using slurs that hurt people back then
lmao love to see how you try explaining your way outta calling someone a cracker, AnarcyInTheNYC
Are you really still defending using a slur?
I tend to think we're pretty much on the same side here, but I don't think that was a terribly good move.
this site doesn't need racists, especially those who are racist against white people.
thankfully the trend of hating white people seems to be dying down, but its insane how many furries were pushing racist anti-white sentiments for these past years
And yet plenty of conservative ones are on here,
*especially those who are racist against white people.*
Why especially?
Also, i while i will say i don’t like racism towards white people (I’m white) I can fully understand why people of ethnic diversity do not like white people, have never had a positive experience with white people, know exactly what white people have done and in many ways still do to these groups so i can understand why someone would easily be swayed to hate white people...
I don’t see why we need to especially not allow people who are racist to white people, i think there doesn’t need to be any racism allowed anywhere to anyone
Again i would need to see these things on a case by case basis to see what’s racist and or what’s just hate but lacks the level of racism) which also seems to have no end on the internet
if you allow racism to white people, you must allow racism to ALL. that is how equality works. it's not rules for thee but not for me
stop perpetuating racism jfc
you guys have never experienced any form of oppression but you want to speak for us like we need someone else to be our mouthpiece. we can fight for ourselves if we really think there's an issue. we know how to get an id. we know how to vote. you can stop treating us like we're idiots, thank you. it's almost more racist that you're so patronizing toward people like me like this, saying that we don't know we're oppressed and all that shit. literally fuck off, we're not oppressed. we're proud, we're loud, and we're strong independent individuals that have our own communities and issues to deal with. we dont need you treating us like we're fucking animals, apes that have been let out of the zoo and dont know how to be human nor think critically
"which may be because those dysntaites and civilizations lasted and existed far longer then the US did"
you don't hear them bitching about that, do you? no
No one’s allowing racism to white people but we are calling the idea that thinking “cracker” makes you no different than Bull Connor with the klan boys standing in front of black people trying to vote shouting “n#$%*r” or etc
you can type nigger you know, instead of dancing around the word like a pansy. you so easily type cracker like it's not a racial slur. unless you think you can't use a word because you're white.
*Every single race has gone through slavery from another race, white people arnet the exception, stop trying to demonize them.*
By this same mental logic because the Nazis were not the only group to commit genocide
you should never criticize and or demonize the nazis ever...
Again this is such bad faith argumentation that it comes off as a child like understanding of such concepts.
Again the point is not that “no other group has ever done this”
the point is what has been done to certain groups by other certain groups in the country and place of question can affect how some groups view and see others as well as treat them.
And as stated in the US and North America, it has been Whites who have actively led, enforced and carried out systematic attacks, oppression and atrocities against other ethnic groups
and sorry but those groups get to have a say on how that history (directed against them) affects their view and opinion of these groups
it doesn’t make racism okay though.
*there are so many successful black and other non-white individuals who are successful in America today*
This is like saying because there are a lot of rich business people that there shouldn’t be any poverty anymore
it excludes the direct notion that proportionally to ones demographics and etc in the country as a whole there are less people of color and or
non whites who are successful given their percentage of the popualtion
we also know from studies for a fact that the average black household makes less and is far poorer then the average and poorest white household
we know from studies for a fact the majority of the poor and poverty stricken are people of color
*you guys have never experienced any form of oppression*
I assume you mean me as a white person? which would be odd since you literally mention whites being enslaved along with everyone else
so does that suddenly not count then?
*unless one has been a sex trafficking victim or work trafficking victim, no one today in America has experienced slavery.*
But they have experienced the effects of slavery such as the loss and even the denial of generational wealth
the active suppression of their voting and civil rights which still is occurring today
A system designed to disenfranchise them form being able to equally profit and or compete/participate, as well as to send them to prison for longer sentences for the same crimes or even lesser crimes as their peers etc.
all of which is documented and easily offered to find and explore (until the right ban the very notion of it that is)
and it is only by acknowledging that these things were and have been perpetuated by whites (like me) that we can understand how and why so many ethnic groups can be angry towards and fall into the spectrum of hatred against whites.
It does not make it right but is something that needs to be addressed if we are to tackle this issue of racism against any group to be honest.
*we know how to get an id. we know how to vote.*
No one said you didn’t, though one main concern is how does that work with voter suppression laws where they can put as many hoops as they need to make it harder for people especially of color to vote or get I.D?
The new laws in multiple states that allow the right wing legislators (who are majority white by the way just to point out) and etc to throw out and or dismiss votes and voter registrations from poor and or areas of color is exceptionally alarming
again, this is a systematic issue and a campaign of voter suppression of minorities, political demographics, and communities of color in direct violation of their voting rights...
*it's almost more racist that you're so patronizing toward people like me like this, saying that we don't know we're oppressed and all that shit.*
I said nothing of the sort, you’re lying and pandering to change the subject...very telling by the way.
What i did point out was factual studies and confirmed points that show why many ethnic gorups do not like white people
it was you who kept saying why you couldn’t understand how anyone might not like or have an issue with white people
pretending like me answering your question is being patronizing to you and or being racist is kind of silly, but also dishonest.
*we don't need you treating us like we're fucking animals, apes that have been let out of the zoo and don't know how to be human nor think critically*
Again never said anything of the sort, and you’re straw-manning lies do not help your position or credibility.
*"which may be because those dysntaites and civilizations lasted and existed far longer then the US did"
you don't hear them bitching about that, do you? no*
Of course not why would they?
the point was that argument of America not having slavery as long as more to do with the fact it is an infant in comparison and even then they had to have a war that split the nation to get it done while many other civilizations of the time settled it with pen and legislation alone.
*you can type nigger you know, instead of dancing around the word like a pansy.*
I thought i was supposed to treat the word as a bad thing and not throw it around like a racist?
I don’t like the word, or the historical abuse behind it so i don’t use it.
and sorry but that’s not a sign of weakness at all.
you should not demonize an entire group of people at all, regardless of what they've done. speaking only negatives about something poisons the water and doesnt make the world a better place
"and sorry but those groups get to have a say on how that history (directed against them) affects their view and opinion of these groups" you don't. you don't get to say that we're oppressed.
"This is like saying because there are a lot of rich business people that there shouldn’t be any poverty anymore"
that's not how business nor poverty works. shit counterexample
"it excludes the direct notion that proportionally to ones demographics and etc in the country as a whole there are less people of color and or
non whites who are successful given their percentage of the popualtion"
given that white people made up the majority of the population and brought in the majority of the wealth to the country, the proportion of black people who are successful when compared to the percentage that make up the USA, it's proportional to that of whites. wanting the majority of black people to be 'successful' with the same numbers as whites is dumb because it doesn't take into account population ratio
"we also know from studies for a fact that the average black household makes less and is far poorer then the average and poorest white household"
https://inequality.org/research/pov.....r-black-white/ "The white poverty rate does run much lower than the black rate, just under 10 percent, one-third of the black rate. But the white poor outnumber the black poor considerably, 19 to 7.8 million. White people make up 42 percent of America’s poor, black people about 28 percent." white people make up the majority of the impoverished in america
"we know from studies for a fact the majority of the poor and poverty stricken are people of color"
not true based on what i just quoted, so you're pulling shit out of your ass
"I assume you mean me as a white person? which would be odd since you literally mention whites being enslaved along with everyone"
you're ignoring that i was talking about people of today, which is why i mentioned unless you're a victim of sex/work trafficking, you haven't experienced slavery
"But they have experienced the effects of slavery such as the loss and even the denial of generational wealth"
lol non talking point
"the active suppression of their voting and civil rights which still is occurring today"
no it isnt
"A system designed to disenfranchise them form being able to equally profit"
false
"and or compete/participate, "
true, somewhat.
"as well as to send them to prison for longer sentences for the same crimes or even lesser crimes as their peers etc."
VERY TRUE and it is an issue that needs to be fought by changing who sits in the judge's seats. it 's not an issue of the general people bering racist, it's an issue of those in law being racist
"all of which is documented and easily offered to find and explore (until the right ban the very notion of it that is)"
the left is the one censoring free speech, dude lmao wtf
"o one said you didn’t, though one main concern is how does that work with voter suppression laws where they can put as many hoops as they need to make it harder for people especially of color to vote or get I.D?"
you're showing your ignorance here or maybe you're just playing stupid on purpose. there are no voter suppression laws for american citizens. they literally do not make it harder for people of colour to vote, wtf are you on about. this is exactly the bullshit i was talking about, white people and their fucking racist patronizing saying we don't know how to fucking get an id. we get one by going to the DMV. it's not that fucking difficult nor is the process any different from ohw people of other colours get their id. what the fuck is wrong with you racists.
"The new laws in multiple states that allow the right wing legislators (who are majority white by the way just to point out) and etc to throw out and or dismiss votes and voter registrations from poor and or areas of color is exceptionally alarming"
false
"again, this is a systematic issue and a campaign of voter suppression of minorities, political demographics, and communities of color in direct violation of their voting rights..." literally pulling shit out your ass
"What i did point out was factual studies and confirmed points that show why many ethnic gorups do not like white people"
YOU CITED NOTHING LMAO
" was you who kept saying why you couldn’t understand how anyone might not like or have an issue with white people" sorry im not racist so i see why people would have issues with people of different skin colours lmao unless they're racist which isnt logical to be racist
"Again never said anything of the sort, and you’re straw-manning lies do not help your position or credibility."
its how you treat me that makes me see yhou for who you are and not for what you pretend to be. the fact that you think we're too stupid to go to the dmv and get an id tells me youre the type of racist that says they arent while calling black people so stupid they cant get an id.
also, you do use the word nigger. so stop fucking lying straight to my face by censoring it when you put 'nigger' directly into our minds by typing "the n word" or "n$@%r"
This is irrelevant to the point being stated which was why ethnic groups have and direct animosity towards whites.
arguing what groups should do doesn’t change the fact of what they do in reality.
*"and sorry but those groups get to have a say on how that history (directed against them) affects their view and opinion of these groups" you don't. you don't get to say that we're oppressed.*
Actually i can because its backed by actual quantitive data
But even then I don’t need to because plenty of American ethnic groups from jews, to black to hispanic and etc Americans have stated they are themselves.
*that's not how business nor poverty works. shit counterexample*
Hmmm
and yet
“there are plenty of successful people of color and non hwites, therefore there is no oppression and or racial disparity”
--how inclusion and race works apparently
spare me.
*given that white people made up the majority of the population and brought in the majority of the wealth to the country,*
A country whose economy as well as most of it's foundational cities, and infrastructure including their white house was built by and founded on slaves and forced free labour...
but yeah ignore that historical context.
*the proportion of black people who are successful when compared to the percentage that make up the USA, it's proportional to that of whites.*
It’s not even close.
*wanting the majority of black people to be 'successful' with the same numbers as whites is dumb because it doesn't take into account population ratio*
I never said that the majority of black people had to be successful with the same numbers as white
what i specially mentioned was that generational wealth is lesser for blacks because of slavery (fact)
that systematic laws such as disenfranchisement (attacks agaisnt black business legally and vionelty, Property laws that excluded blacks from suburbs, allowed them to be paid less)
attacks agaisnt black business competition such as the Tulsa Massacre and the destruction of Black wall street etc.
As well as endemic and social pressures were intentionally used to disenfranchise black Americans which many black spokespeople from James Baldwin to MLK and Malcom X especially addressed and called out.
*https://inequality.org/research/pov.....r-black-white/ "The white poverty rate does run much lower than the black rate, just under 10 percent, one-third of the black rate. But the white poor outnumber the black poor considerably, 19 to 7.8 million. White people make up 42 percent of America’s poor, black people about 28 percent." white people make up the majority of the impoverished in america*
Now whose ignoring the population ratio,
You literally admit above that there are a higher percentage of white people i the population then black people (who make up 13-14% of the whole population of the country)
therefore it is no surprise that there are more poor white people than poor black Americans because there are more white Americans than black Americans n terms of population size.
In terms of black Americans percentage of the country they are far poorer in comparison
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news.....white-poverty/
*"At $171,000, the net worth of a typical white family is nearly ten times greater than that of a Black family ($17,150) in 2016. Gaps in wealth between Black and white households reveal the effects of accumulated inequality and discrimination, as well as differences in power and opportunity that can be traced back to this nation’s inception. The Black-white wealth gap reflects a society that has not and does not afford equality of opportunity to all its citizens.”*
---https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f.....te-wealth-gap/
https://www.businessinsider.com/cha.....al-2020-6?op=1
https://www.epi.org/blog/racial-dis.....rowth-in-2019/
*""we know from studies for a fact the majority of the poor and poverty stricken are people of color"
not true based on what i just quoted, so you're pulling shit out of your ass”*
Um not really...
https://www.economist.com/special-r.....of-colour-most
*"According to 2018 US Census Data, the highest poverty rate by race is found among Native Americans (25.4%),*
* with Blacks (20.8%) having the second highest poverty rate,*
*and Hispanics (of any race) having the third highest poverty rate (17.6%).*
*Whites had a poverty rate of 10.1%, while Asians had a poverty rate at 10.1%.”*
--https://www.povertyusa.org/facts
*"But they have experienced the effects of slavery such as the loss and even the denial of generational wealth"
lol non talking point*
It actually is a relative point as you are pretending like no one today’s suffered from Slavery and that point contradicts that
the lingering effects of slavery do have optimal affects on demographics and people of color today
https://www.researchgate.net/public.....orary_US_South
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta.....the-u-s-today/
https://atlantablackstar.com/2014/1.....-impact-today/
*"the active suppression of their voting and civil rights which still is occurring today"
no it isnt*
Wrong...
https://blackrhodesfall2017.blogspo.....ng-rights.html
https://hannahbp2.medium.com/assaul.....s-ce82a9638b81
https://truthout.org/articles/the-l.....hanging-south/
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases.....e-brought-aclu
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news.....ericans-voting
https://www.baystatebanner.com/2011.....voting-rights/
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/.....t-20210729.pdf
https://seattlemedium.com/facing-as.....-civil-rights/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2.....ct_273850.html
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20.....ights-nbsp-Act
https://www.wbfo.org/2021-07-14/rig.....en-here-before
*A system designed to disenfranchise them form being able to equally profit"
false*
Wrong again...
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta.....some-progress/
https://www.americanprogress.org/ar.....-the-wage-gap/
https://www.cupahr.org/blog/underpa.....-ed-workforce/
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/ED/.....R-20210503.pdf
https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandto.....challenge.aspx
https://www.epi.org/blog/black-work.....en-since-2000/
*. it 's not an issue of the general people bering racist, it's an issue of those in law being racist*
And where do those people come from? Judges, DA's are often elected in many places are they not?
on the federal courts, and federal systems they’re appointed are they not?
appointed by people who are elected
So if those in law are racist then the people who elected them and appointed them can be racist too?
or maybe the system itself is racist, was created by racists and has been maintained to this day still with aspects of that racist system.
*the left is the one censoring free speech, dude lmao wtf*
Yeah this is partisan hackery
https://www.rightwingwatch.org/topics/censorship/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a.....lorida/629516/
https://www.theguardian.com/news/20.....octed-a-crisis
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/.....o-free-speech/
https://jacobinmag.com/2022/03/repu.....s-civil-rights
https://www.opednews.com/articles/T.....10506-519.html
*" there are no voter suppression laws for american citizens. they literally do not make it harder for people of colour to vote, wtf are you on about.”*
Oh Dear sweetie
https://www.americanprogress.org/ar.....can-democracy/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news.....stop-the-steal
https://ballardbrief.byu.edu/our-br.....-united-states
https://www.votingrightsalliance.or.....er-suppression
https://www.americanprogress.org/ar.....r-suppression/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic.....-study/517218/
https://belatina.com/heres-how-vote.....ties-of-color/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w.....munities-color
https://journeys.dartmouth.edu/radi.....ople-of-color/
* we get one by going to the DMV. *
https://www.reddit.com/r/CAVDEF/com.....laws_suppress/
https://www.facingsouth.org/2017/02.....g-people-color
https://www.democraticunderground.com/125123316
https://csettle718.wordpress.com/20.....ities-to-vote/
https://www.americanprogress.org/ar.....ppression-101/
https://www.americanprogress.org/ar.....ppression-101/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w.....sion-laws-2021
*sorry im not racist so i see why people would have issues with people of different skin colours lmao unless they're racist which isnt logical to be racist*
Now that is a non argument since it ignores the context of waht i just said...
*its how you treat me that makes me see yhou for who you are*
So i never actually said those those things you just “FEEL” like i did...
hmmm very interesting.
*also, you do use the word nigger.*
I do not.
*so stop fucking lying straight to my face by censoring it when you put 'nigger' directly into our minds by typing "the n word" or "n$@%r”*
So you are literally accusing me of a thought crime/act
again very interesting...and false.
"And as stated in the US and North America, it has been Whites who have actively led, enforced and carried out systematic attacks, oppression and atrocities against other ethnic groups"
correction: it has been DEMOCRATS that have done this. NOT whites. by saying whites instead of the true party that fought to keep slavery [there was no great party switch like ppl claim there was and historical records prove this], started the kkk [of which the current sitting president supported the kkk leader], and actively SUPPORTED hitler, AND actively targeted the black community by putting abortion clinics in majority black, poor neighbour hoods [AS HTHOUGH BEING POOR IS WORSE THAN DEATH] killing millions of black babies in intentional eugenics [many prominent wealtyh democrats are part of a eugenic organization today, including someone in bill gates' family] you're hurting everyone who never supported that crap
i cant wait to provide them though i doubt youll make any attempt to read them
i only have so much time left on this earth and i shouldnt be wasting it on conversations that will not change either of our minds nor will help us learn for the better... im getting the impression you're not someone who has an open mind willing to accept new information
so i have to go. sorry. i cant respond anymore. i need to work.
Systematic oppression, systematic disfranchisement, Slavery, Internment camps, at least several multiple genocides of natives, racism, racist massacres and attacks, voting oppression/suppression based on ethnicity, etc. etc.
*it doesn't make sense to hate someone for the color of their skin. that's racism.*
But what i just explained is not the hatred of someone for their ethnicity or the color of their skin, but for a long and heavy list of crimes, atrocities, active and historical oppression and abuse...
I don’t think it’s right to hate all people of a group for the crimes of a few or from the past, but when that group has literally and unquestionably participated in direct war crimes, crimes against humanity and in many cases ongoing social, political and physical attacks against you, your culture, your group and you and your children
Then yes I can understand how hate can grow.
This applies to any group that has been attacked and victimized by the way, it’s just that in the US the dominating group that has done this to multiple ethnic monitories and ethnic gorups have been whites who have always held the dominate power in social and political circles and holdings.
*america had a very short enslavement period compared to many other societies that have held slaves for much longer than 400 years.*
This is whataboutism, the question has never been “Have only whites ever done things like slavery”
This is a no nothing argument, the focus is not what others have done but what was done to the groups in question in AMERICA on AMERICAN SOIL, by AMERICANS, be they white or whatever,
there is no, “You shouldn’t hate whites cause their crimes didn’t last as long as other countries” mentality the works
it’s essentially saying that the quality of atrocity needs to be based on time and scale and not the fact it’s still an atrocity
Also one which may be because those civilizations actually lasted and existed far longer then the US did
And even then the US was one of the few countries that had to fight a civil war (or any kind of brutal bloody conflict) to end slavery meanwhile most if not all other empires including the British were able to do away with slavery by legal means without a massive split in the country and a massive war.
If we want to discuss context details like that, that is.
*minorities have done fucked up shit beyond rape and slave work labour*
I mean i would argue any group has done far worse then that, again white people are the only people in North America that actually have committed multiple genocides over century long periods (Natives)
But again this is a no nothing argument, it is oppression olympics and kind of pathetic and lacking.
*if you allow racism to white people, you must allow racism to ALL.*
No one’s allowing racism to white people but we are calling the idea that thinking “cracker” makes you no different than Bull Connor with the klan boys standing in front of black people trying to vote shouting “n#$%*r” or etc
is kind of pathetic and pandering.
*that is how equality works.*
I mean that is a very childish mentality for how AND what Equality is,
Context actually is what matters, as well as relativity and nuanced thought.
like you said, it's not about whatifism. it doens't matter that cracker might be a lesser slur. it's still fucking racist and you're a racist pos for using it
you either type nigger out and stop trying to patronize me, a black person, or stop writing cracker, racist. you cant have one and not the other.
"it’s essentially saying that the quality of atrocity needs to be based on time and scale and not the fact it’s still an atrocity"
it’s essentially saying that the use of slurs needs to be based on power and offensiveness and not the fact it’s still racist
Again already addressed this and made the clear point on the subject matter.
*like you said, it's not about whatifism. it doens't matter that cracker might be a lesser slur. it's still fucking racist and you're a racist pos for using it*
I don’t use it, and stated many times i don’t use it but that because of nuance and actual critical thinking on the subject i don’t see the same level of abuse, the same level of dehumanization and or even the same level of comparison, so it’s not a high priority compared to other hate speech and words,
i guess that little context never got through there did it?
*you cant have one and not the other.*
Well I say you can, and have explained why i think so, and so that’s now official record. Yadda yada.
*it’s essentially saying that the use of slurs needs to be based on power and offensiveness and not the fact it’s still racist*
Well actually yes, the power of the word does matter, as it is what gives the negative affect of the word
and i actually bellevue i stated that offensiveness alone is not cause to be marked slur
again not really conforming to what i have stated.
or did i read that wrong?
I am agreeing with ecmajor's stance.
Fuck off, snake.
You may think it's fine and dandy to sit in your place of privilege and treat everything like it's a joke and distance yourself from anyone 'annoying' enough to force you to recognize that people directly affected by the shit you smirk at might actually have something to say about it but it's not OK.
I mean you're supposedly friends with people who are being attacked right now for who and what they are. They're being discriminated against and you couldn't give a fuck. What kind of 'friend' is that? You're just another hate enabler.
FUCK
OFF
Like bro. You ain't clever.
You aren't being fair and balanced. You're giving the right a free pass to do whatever they want because "well the left does bad things and isn't perfect". Absolutely revolting. And those on the left doing a lot of fucked up shit aren't actually the 'extreme leftists' most of the times, they're the moderates who benefit from the status quo.
You're a pawn in the right's semantics game, willingly. And possibly knowingly.
(obviously the exception is communism, but i'm pretty sure 99% of people who label themselves or are labeled as communists are actually just socialists, there's like a big difference.)
In any case, the whole "this is art and uwu, there's no place for politics here" idea is deeply flawed. Our whole existence is political, and if one side (the right) gets its way, show's over for furries, really.
Or is this "the well paid Trans Lobby is funded by those people" bullshit conspiracies?
I have no time to deal with this mob right here. It is dangerous for my mental health and it makes me look like some evil white dude who should be cancelled. Call me out on Twitter as a fascist, satanist, white supremacist, racist, or whatever the hell you want. You can call me out for my N-word usage from a few years ago, I don't mind. Block my account and report me to the admins if you want to. Because that's exercising your freedom of speech, OK?
Or levellist and any other equality schools, some of which go as far as per-roman history, e.g. ones who believe in direct democracy. A good illustration to that was how people had labelled Starlight Glimmer as a communist, while she represented not so well known political movement which existed in 18th century in UK and later in various countries, including the fact it had shaped US.
> Our whole existence is political, and if one side (the right) gets its way, show's over for furries, really.
This. Also art is artist way to express ideas and affect other. What you had expressed is a wish to stop "talking" to this particular person.
Get your "BoTh SiDeS" bullshit out of here.
Funny scene the first five are usually the same thing, in bed together and or have multiple cross over and lap...
there are no good examples and or versions any other and they all are garbage that ruin everything good and decent
the last one, i don’t know it depends on person, there are traditional communists who follow Marx’s actual philosophy, then there’s the Tankie's who basically are pro-authoritarians for any system that even claims to be left like communist or socialist, then there are the old Russian and USSR stans, but the USSR was not communist but totalitarian and despot and violated every creed of Marx,
Then there are many decent socialists or democratic socialists who value workers rights and people’s rights, etc.
...I mean it'd be nice if community sites actually had tools that actually worked, too. But in the meantime, fuck 'em.
I had a couple come after me last year. When I failed to rise to their jibes after a while, though, they just eventually got bored and went away.
Never argue with stupid people. They'll just bring you down to their level and beat you with their experience. ;)
I follow a couple just to see what they’re up to. I never engage, not worth it.
You're a talented artist, concentrate on making good art, not whose politics you align with.
If conservatives had their way, none of us would be allowed to draw the stuff we post on this site at all. So yeah, politics are unfortunately important, even though the state of the world is extremely tiring...
Block/ignore is a bare bones feature in almost every online service, Nobody should ever be grateful for the barest of minimum. I'll be grateful when it's a properly functional system.
Good day to you
What exactly are you conservative about if you're pro-LGBT, since that goes against pretty much all of their social values? is it simply a fiscal/financial thing? I'm genuinely curious
That exception is very important
If you being free means someone else can't be, that's not freedom at all...
Why must others go and make a simple thing complicated?
Case in point is Jim Inhofe. I grew up in Oklahoma, and Jim Inhofe gave the commencement speech at my brother's graduation. He was intelligent, self-effacing, clever, and had a lot of sensible ideas. I really liked him, back in the 70's. Now he is a raving, right-wing lunatic spouting some of the most often debunked party propaganda, and waving snowballs on the Senate floor to disprove climate change. I've seen it happen over and over again, with reasonable people who get eaten by the right-wing machine. Look at Lindsey Graham, decorated Air Force veteran. On paper, a man of honor and integrity. And he has trashed it all to be a massive suck-up to Trump and his cronies, because that is what is required to belong to the cult. The GOP poisons all good people that it fall under its dark miasma.
Let's just say, Fifty years ago, I was less judgmental. I was even willing to give Nixon the benefit of the doubt, when his trial was ongoing (I was a Republican when I was young and ignorant). My judgmental attitude comes from experience, observation, education and confirmation. And ever so much disappointment.
It’s not a stretch, I know a few others like me
I’m at wits end as it is
Ironically they are things that are legislated by the right ...for instance, government telling people which consenting adults they can and cannot love, telling women they can't have abortions, telling people they have to fit neatly into one of two categories, male or female, and that it's assigned at birth whether they like it or not... etc.
Anyone who thinks the government needs to take a step back needs to also point these things out, because the right is rabidly focused on making them the law of the land.
That said I’m not going to dive deeper into this. I guess my point is not all of us are the enemy you hate. I agree with your initial disgust but we are not all like that.
Hope your evening is well, good day to you
If I block someone, I want to pretend they don't exist, entirely. >:|
Confront bigotry everywhere you see it. Hear, hear. Furry is a queer space and a queer culture and we will not balk when hate rears it's hideous head.
If only instead of doubling down there was a single drop of self awareness to stop and think "I don't want to be a dipshit anymore." It would be so fucking easy to just stop using energy on hate and fear and trying to tear others down. Like, furry's got plenty for you to do instead of being hateful. The world's got plenty to do instead of being hateful. If you're afraid about owning up and letting go lemme tell you, you'll get over it. We're all still learning about each other and the world we share. You'll survive the boner of being ignorant as long as you listen when people tell you a line of thinking is destructive and cruel and doesn't help anyone- least of all you.
For real think twice about what you're doing when you come to queer spaces and enjoy queer content and queer people's lives. You don't WANT to be an intolerant jack off elsewise what the fuck are you here for? Quit denying yourself and ease up on whatever pearls you're clutching about people just living their lives and find your own love in life. Or take your attention toward where it is.
Life's too short to be wasted on hate. Way, way too short. Trans rights are human rights. Furry is a queer space. Doesn't mean you gotta be queer yourself but it does mean you gotta live with us, and navigate all the weirdness of self discovery and change and growth along with the rest of us.
I am not a sterile sequence of letters to make not-queer people feel comfortable to address me. I am queer, I am messy and not everything I do is very pretty and that's what I'm proud of.
Four letters that cover everything that we know about and everything we could ever come to distinguish and define in future, as it has one letter for each of the three spectrums that, together, are used to create all those lovely complicated labels I can never remember or keep straight.
However, not disagreeing with the larger point of it being completely deranged to run around this 'largely queer' fandom spouting ben shapiro quotes about the importance of family, especially when you've drawn a whole lot of pictures of gay cartoon horse people fucking each other.
And I'm speaking as someone who is straight, but who has always referred to myself as being pretty bent for a straight person, and wouldn't really object to my viewpoint as being regarded as queer. I don't mind at all being lumped in with that, but most people, -straight, queer, or whatever- might not understand that or see it that way.
Guess extreme positions will inevitably become part of any group/community that has a decent size...
Stay strong! ^_^
It was bad enough I left the fandom. For a fandom that considers itself a safe space for queer people, it sure doesn't feel like it at times
So I am glad to see you speak out on this. It's not enough to just think of furry as welcoming. It's action, it's being vocal, it's making clear that bigots are not welcome. It gives me hope. Thank you :3
When it comes from a furry it's even more confusing(not to mention sad beyond belief). It's a community that literally revolves around being 'out there' to your average person. But if there's one thing I learned a while it's that furries are still just people, for every terrible person believing x or y ideology or that has x or y bad attitude, there is a furry that acts the same way. People in general often seem to be happy to represent themselves using multiple opposing ideologies even and just cherry pick what they believe or don't.
XD
I needed the sleep
FURLEBRITY DEATH MATCH.
We can support each other, and those other guys show their colors so we know where they really stand.
Thanks FA threading
If not, then it'll quickly cease to be friendly and tolerant.
Watch who you're calling a far-right extremist, Werevixen! I'm not one of them! I don't even believe in white supremacy! I believe LGBTQ+ and POCs must be tolerated in society. I don't even listen to Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, Tim Pool, or any of those other spastics anyway.
I also believe both sides have some good points conservatives with their systems put in place while liberals with their view on human rights though I'm thinking more so old school 1st and 2nd wave feminist movement type ideals where everyone should be treated equal.
Another thing is that I think it should've been more common sense but honestly politics doesn't need to be shoved into absolutely every little crevice, crack, or space that it can find. If there are individuals making everything about politics then they have a problem in that regard and should learn how to find the divide of things.
Wish you didn't have such extreme views on these things but otherwise I just hope you keep producing great artwork.
Both sides have their wrongs and goods I still believe I have much to learn about the whole situation but I like to read up and research on everything before I point fingers at any specific group for accidents.
In other words go on ahead and pee to your hearts content I'm not gonna stop ya!
I probably didn't help, but I'll stop adding to the fire.
Just personally sad each time I see post like this where there is more and more hate being spread and that people generalize entire groups like this since I know plenty of individuals on both sides who point fingers and blame the group when there are individuals out there who mean well on things.
Also really good to hear you'll be continuing to make great art~!
I personally believe that everyone can do whatever they wish as long as it isn't harming another person in a way but just with bullying if you respond to individuals by exploding or making a big deal out of it they feel justified or find enjoyment and will just continue doing it. Best thing to do when one offends or otherwise is to simply ignore them, it isn't ever easy to do such especially if someone really hits sensitive topics that you truly believe in but the only way to get a "BEST" outcome in those situations is to debate them on their reasoning's and make them look like a fool, hypocrite, or idiot. Other then that as said you can just ignore them if you don't have the confidence to be able to properly debate and show the hypocrisy that they are showing.
Apologies if I wasn't able to answer again not fully sure what you are asking for since mentally I'm not the most well read when it comes to things.
Hate the centrist types too. Apathy and moderacy are not virtues. I remember one fuck in some "non-political group chat" (which tend to also be hives of people like this) spouting off about how "FA was oppressing centrists" and how "artists should never be political" (someone who clearly does not know their art history) and I ended up the one being berated for challenging his belief because I, somehow, was the one bringing politics in: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/40053195/
Lot of folks raised in conservative environments who don't want to face that the people who claim to love them would be perfectly happy if they were dead and straight instead of alive and queer.
The furry fandom is uniquely queer, seditious, and in many ways, anti-capitalist. So many fandoms are oriented around the consumption of a product designed for mass-media consumption, but furry is a world of aggressively gay, unapologetically sex-positive creators and producers. There really is no room for conservative ideology in such a progressive and intelligent community.
I've heard this being mentioned by many but I've not heard anyone actually give any examples.
For once I'm not trying to be a smartass, I'm genuinely curious.
Florida (trying to.) pass a law which originally included a requirement for teachers to out them to their parents if they make any comment indicating they aren't straight.
It's just, as I think someone far further up the thread mentioned, painting with a rather broad brush, splattering vitriol over a wide field of people who have no association with the anger fueling comments like this.
As the classic goes, "They say in Harlan County, There are no neutrals there. You'll either be a union man, Or a thug for J. H. Blair."
If someone is in favour of those things, well, they're not really conservative are they?
Maybe my views are shaped by the fact that i'm in the US and our politics are extremely polarized and honestly TOTALLY FUCKED, but everywhere has people who oppose human rights for all and people who are for them. So whatever you call it, there are people on one side of belief and people on the other.
Because if you don't go out of your way to waste your breath SPECIFYING that exact and precise detail, debate-me-bros will jump out of the bushes to warble "BuT nOtHinG iS fReE wHo WiLl PaY FoR iT, HAH! Gotcha libtard!"
....Or some such variation.
Y'gotta be pedantic, specific and concise or you'll end up arguing semantics in circles for hours. Many an hour was wasted trying to even elaborate my positions to a hyper-conservative religious fundie friend of mine, because he'd keep repeatedly derailing the conversation with semantics and effectively demanding I define the assumed subtext, and nothing ever got meaningfully discussed.
Everyone KNOWS nothing is truly free, and it will be paid for at SOME point, somewhere, if by nothing else than labor and raw resources, but if you don't specify they'll play dumb just to derail the conversation.
Gaslight Obstruct Project
The pedantry falls under obstruct.
If they disagree with something I have to say or block me for the simple fact they dislike what I do, why should I not be allowed to see their content?
I've always been of the mindset of separating the artist from the person.
Talent is talent, opinions are opinions.
The only time I ever unwatch people with good art is when they're going out of their way to condemn stuff like the LGBTQ community or act like genuine shitbags.
As an artist, I feel like my creations are as much an expression of my weird personality as my journal entries. There's not a separation between "talent" and personality. Forcing them to be separate makes for bland art (and blander opinions). I suppose if I want to control who gets to enjoy my work, that I shouldn't upload them at all (and many I don't). Given how much hate and derision some of my work has generated from certain circles, I'm in favor of only sharing it with like-minded people, and for those who want to spout vitriol at my art or my opinions, they can get the scarce scraps from E621 and deride them there.
And that's a totally fair view. Some people associate themselves real hard with what they create in terms of art as you've said so I can understand not wanting to share that with others.
I suppose I mainly see the art provided here as commissions or just a talent show. Imo, it's not that different than a lot of extreme fetish art --meaning that even if you dislike the fetish/opinion depicted in the setting, as long as the artwork is incredibly well done people will still enjoy it if even only for the talent itself.
Obviously a lot of artists draw personal things but there is a sense of beauty that comes with that as well. If people dislike it then I suppose that's tough shit for them. :)
I think the best course of action is to just let it exist and flourish as the views people would get would far outshine the negativity that will occur from it. The world is never perfect and neither are we so you'll always get people that will dislike your something for one reason or another.
I also disagree that it would make bland art as there are many artists that draw stuff they don't care for or dislike but still deliver HEAVILY in terms of quality and style.
Obviously this is subjective and I honestly do not wish that blocks remove me from viewing others works. Some people block for the simple action of being associated with someone which is extremely unfair.
Hell, I've been blocked for favouriting a chunk of someones gallery and they refused to remove the block even after I politely asked. I'd hate to miss out on the beautiful things artists create on this website.
'Conservative', in its original dictionary meaning, implies a cautious approach to change; reactionaries are the ones who scream bloody murder against any hint of progress, and demand that things go back to a defectively imagined 'good old days', where their self-importance and ignorance were never challenged.
That said, I think that, while banning them from spreading their vitriol where it is not wanted is perfectly sound, it is harder to control what they view. Unless they make some overt action, like art theft, or subverting content for their own hateful ends, it is perhaps better to ignore them.
Letting them know, in no uncertain terms, that hate is not welcome here, is about the best we can do.
Peace. 7@=e
That being said I wish people wouldn't misuse labels thusly so much, it does make such communication so much more muddy.
Yeah, you need to be able to block people completely. Not just from commenting but from seeing your page, period. Just too easy to stalk someone on this site.
And hell yeah the block system is a pain. It's like instead of slamming and locking the door on them... they can still come in, touch your stuff, sit on your furniture, pet your dog, raid your fridge and stare at you... they just can't talk. Like what the fuck.
Worst part is, I could probably fix / implement a proper block system in like... 30 minutes. It's so sad. Like when you click block on someone, you just trigger the unsub function from that user's side through PHP. And when they visit your profile, check if their username is on your blocklist, and if true redirect to a "You're blocked" page. The end.
Almost like the people on this site are humans with thoughts and opinions.
Strange.
"please fuck off and leave other people to live the way they want to"
Exactly, trans people deserve the same rights as anyone else. same with people of colour, women, etc. But the political right is hellbent on keeping these people marginalized because it keeps cis white guys in charge. Just let people be themselves.
Staying out of it and just being okay with politicians in texas killing trans kids because speaking up is too much work for you is a pretty shitty attitude. What if you had trans friends? You probably do if you're here. Give them some fucking respect and stand up for them.
I don't believe for a second the right is doing what it does because it 'keeps cis white guys in charge'. That's some racist, sexist shit and delusional at that. It scares me the left is so openly racist and sexist these days. You're headed down a dark path if you think it's anything deeper than religious beliefs being used to oppress others. Unless you want to be miserable the rest of your life - honestly believing everyone you oppose is only obsessed about gaining an advantage over others because of their differences like gender or skin color. Racism is kept on life support by people with manipulative agendas and you play right into it, so congrats for being part of a new generation of racists and worse. It's so, so, so close to being completely dead, and the original party of slavery, the Democrats, found a way to breath life into the dying embers all over again around the time of the Occupy protests. I feel like I'm always precariously hoping the left keeps the religious extremes on the right from enacting their agenda against non-cis people and trying to eliminate abortion, while hoping the right keeps the left from obliterating the entire economy from the ground up and trying to set up PoC for failure from childhood teaching them to believe everyone is racist and that they're never going to succeed and thus bring it about by making them give up hope.
As far as I can tell the Republican party is being torn in half from within by newer voters who are far more tolerant than these old out of touch men who hold views from 60 years ago, and have great hopes that in the coming years they'll all be kicked to the curb as they should be in primary challenges, but when it seems like so many on the left are behaving in this same atrocious manner you are just attacking, attacking, attacking everyone on the right, how can you expect them to want to come together on trans issues down the line when the way things are going it's going to keep escalating until people are literally killing each other? You have to keep the long game objectives in sight, not trash them because it feels good in the moment.
I don't believe for a second anyone in Texas is killing trans kids though. If you've got a link to something that isn't an opinion piece with hard evidence I am happy to be informed of something I have missed as I am sure I haven't seen that headline plastered all over the news as I would expect Is it hyperbolic for something else? Someone else might read that and believe someone's literally going around with a policy to kill trans kids so you have to be careful about the wording you use as not everyone is as informed about a topic and might not realize what you actually mean. I don't think it's a shitty attitude to be brave enough to come here and tell you all of this rage and anger is useless and making it worse for trans people. It's aimless; it's not achieving any objectives. No checkboxes that lead towards mission accomplished have been marked off here today. Did it make you feel any better, or are you still as angry and upset as before because this outburst did not resolve the central issue? You want to ban all the anti trans people from your page? That's your prerogative, but if you're lashing all the people on the right with the same accusations as that miniscule minority then you've already lost because you aren't even trying to change the minds and hearts of the people that need to hear you the most. People who might in turn be able to reach the anti trans ones you're wanting to stop. Stop and think about it for a second. That's what you want, isn't it? To reach those people and change their beliefs? Why are you doing this, when you could be doing that?
Build bridges, don't burn them. You don't have to let everyone across, but if there's no bridge there in the first place you're never going to meet anyone from the other side.
I've got to do some digging and find some actual articles about it. I really wish the worst elements of the right could be pushed out much faster.
I'm not sure what to think of the furry vs antifa shootout thing yet. I know it was a single guy in a confrontation with a group of antifa and they were interacting before anything even happened. Honestly leaning towards they started it because just like in the CHAZ(Or was it CHOP?) massacre of the innocent people in that car, they cleaned up the evidence on the scene and some of them were arrested at the hospital. It was only a matter of time before somebody else has a gun too and made use of it when confronted by a known armed and extremist group. Ultimately I've only see the news reporting what antifa tells them so there's no way we know the whole story without a full investigation.
You say "I don't believe for a second anyone in Texas is killing trans kids". Then when I give you a bit of a hint of what's happening, you say that you'll go find some actual articles about it. Well, does that mean you didn't bother looking into it before you started spouting off about it? And you could have gone and checked out some articles before coming back here to comment.
Then you go off on the furry shooting thing, when you say what you know, which is very vague, and then you say you're leaning towards the shooter not being at fault ("they [protesters] started it"), based on... your imagination? Like if you'd read one news article about it (say, this one: https://www.salon.com/2022/02/23/po.....rry-community/), you'd know way more about it.
Both times, you are relying on what you imagine, rather than trying to seek out information. People aren't dunking on you cause you have an unapproved opinion; you have an uninformed opinion. Like, I get it, we're furries, fantasy worlds are our thing. But this ain't a fantasy. Actually read some news & think critically before you spout off again, and maybe it'll go better for you.
I also doubt that ECM made this post in the hopes of changing the minds of bigots or transphobes. He just wanted them to fuck off. But he can speak for himself.
To be fair, at the moment the left doesn't even know what racism is because they've been trying to redefine it to mean PoC are incapable of racism due to privilege + power or as anyone who you disagree with if you actually willingly use Twitter. Both of which are absurd.
My understanding of systemic racism is that it's mostly lingering effects of economic, legal, and educational disadvantage due to geography and time, though people are trying to insert it into everything because it's human nature to try to gain advantages where you can, and laws against racism cannot do much to fix its effects since they are long term damage. It's also things like criminalizing drugs, incentivizing single parenting, and putting dads disproportionately in prison - and it's generally not the white ones being hit by these things. It seems to be heavily abused lately to imply that PoC can't ever succeed and create a framework where PoC children are brainwashed into believing they can only fail in life because 'white people' before they even have a chance. I don't know about you, but I'll be damned if i just sit quietly and let kids be set up to fail by the people purporting to help them.
I'll admit it wasn't entirely fair of me to go off on him like I did, but I've been on the verge of a response like this for months as this exact journal pops up by different users over and over and more and more people succumb to political extremism and seem intent on tearing apart society believing everyone who isn't in complete lockstep of ideology is an enemy and must be purged and cut off. It's destroying society and being used to try to force conformity unless you want to be lumped in with a tiny minority of legitimate racists/nazis/other boogeymen used to excuse ever even listening to a slightly different perspective because you must be one of them.
Journals like this one are a symptom of that societal breakdown and I just can't bear the thought of saying nothing and letting this toxic division keep running its course. I've GOT to try to get through, even if it saves just one person from the dark hole they're digging society into, and I've gotten a bunch of supportive messages from others who feel similarly but have been afraid to speak who also feel there's a different way to go about achieving a better world. If more people step up and call out this behavior things might start to shift back towards sanity because this is not healthy or normal.
I do try to keep in mind that even if I despise someone's ideology or the things they do or say, I'll always strive to recognize their humanity and treat them with the respect that I would hope they would also extend to me. But I'm afraid that I've found that it's those on the right that are more than happy to just throw around insults and are the ones pumping up and selling the fear, anger, and violence, and I feel obligated to oppose those things vigorously.
I would say that you mostly have it right, but the main thing I'd pick a bone with is the common confusion that many folks have with making the distinction between prejudice, discrimination, and racism.
Racism is the systemic application power by people with more power against people with less power.
For instance, look at it this way: How has racism affected Black people in the US? -You could say things such as having been enslaved, continued workplace and wage discrimination, housing discrimination, redlining, discrimination in school financing, being incarcerated far in excess of their share of the population in spite of not committing crime in greater numbers statistically, being the victims of police violence in excess of their share of the population... I could go on, but you get the idea.
Now, let's look at how white people are impacted by racism: Um... Let's see... They get their feelings hurt?
It's all about power dynamics. People with all the power wielding it to keep people with less power from gaining any so that they can continue to exploit and oppress them.
I would generally disagree with you only in that I think it's important to consistently and loudly call out things like exploitation, racism, patriarchy, and bigotry wherever and whenever we find them. If this is divisive, so be it. I precisely wish to divide myself from those who enact or enable such policies, and to disempower those people.
All that is required for evil to triumph is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Does a single voice change the world? Absolutely. EVERY movement is made up of single voices.
I never implied religious beliefs are not racist or sexist at all. I just needed to point out that there's not a cabal of white cis males in government plotting to ensure women, PoC and LGBT groups are kept down for the benefit
of white men. They're certainly doing it because they want power or because they have backwards views about who other people should be allowed to love. I promised myself a few years ago that I would never hesitate to call out racism and such. I have to hold myself to that promise even if it's targeting the most popular category of people to blame it on(white men). As soon as someone blames a terrible person's qualities on their skin color or orientation that's pretty baseline 'ism in my books and I can't allow it to be normalized.
And on that quote, can you not see why I am speaking up, regardless of if you agree or not? I see the societal breakdown in symptoms of journals like this as an impending terrible evil because things will only get worse if groups separate into closed off tribes. Blanket blaming 'right-wingers' is literally the worst way to reach them and convince them of anything, and you need to convince them if you're going to get these backwards politicians primaried out of their comfortable uncontested government positions in their districts and elections. Journals like this are a dangerous normalization of antisocial mental illness because people are being driven to levels they cannot handle anymore after months and years of being convinced they're on the warpath while engaging in behavior that just makes people dig in and refuse to listen and divides people further and further apart.
Eh, that's probably more than enough since you probably don't want to read any of this, sorry. v.v
"I'M GOING TO GIVE THIS STUFF ATTENTION BY ENGAGING WITH IT"
Choose one.
It's amusing that you say this when I see you throwing more ad hominem around than I was.
And here's the thing kiddo: Ad hominem may make me an asshole, but at least I'm not a pathetic loser who came into a thread complaining about the existence of the thread and then is seriously trying to imply he's participating in good faith while leading a significant chunk of his posts with insults.
I'm an asshole.
You're pathetic and transparent.
You continue to insult people who clearly don't want to talk to you anymore like a petulant little brat.
Everyone can see through your bullshit.
:>
All that blocking and censoring does (on either side) is prevent two way dialogue and the potential for minds to be changed…
It creates echo chambers on both sides and a circular loop of self affirmation.
All this toxicity and division has grown exponentially since open two way discussion has been done away with in favour of blocks, blacklists, cancellations and bannings…
Sometimes peaceful coexistence is best served by a lack of interaction.
How do minds get changed if you just pretend people you dissagree with dinae exist and actively prevent from seeing your ideas and perspectives?..
Of course judging by some of these comments, they dinae want people to change their minds, they just want them gone forever. No redemption in the Brave New Fandom I suppose… O.-.o
I get your feeling, but I also annoyed really that it does disable favoriting part. ANd would be really annoyed, if it was doing hiding by default.
There are people here who blacklist on out slightes spite, a misunderstood typo in comments or just blacklist anyone who they don't like based on perceived personality traits. I had been target of such due to minor misunderstandings.
I believe the level is want should be a tool of site moderators . And if what they did, had happen here, perhaps an account suspension is appropriate.
About blocking yeah, it's frustrating, but you need to take into account that it's impossible to completely block someone from viewing public posts in the internet, they can just make a ghost account they use for viewing only and there is no way to catch an account like that, so no point in causing inconveniences for everyone and messing with the code trying to do impossible things.
That's not politics?
Sorry to say, but everything is or can be political, and no it's not because one side or another 'suddenly made it' political. In a sense, politics can be described as the practical application of social philosophy, it's taking an idea of how society should look or function and trying to make it real. And if some ideology says being gay is evil and shouldn't exist, and if anyone is they should be punished for it ... and then they try to make that a reality... That's political.
I mean, okay, you are right in a way. What i meant if someone focuses on politics aspect in a community that is not related to it, they should probably leave as they are making it worse for other people even if they have noble intentions in their opinion.
Also, if someone publicly marginalizes and harasses others it should rule breaking by site terms.
tl;dr when i see an obviously political post i quietly say "fuck you" and close the browser tab, and i suggest everyone to do the same :)
Using the ‘OK” sign used to be Okay, till some pillock called it a ‘white supremacy hand gesture”, now everyone who uses it are accused of dog whistling.
Enjoying Star Wars used to be enjoying a film, but if you dinae like the new ones you are called ‘racist” and ‘woman hating”…
Not everything is politics, until some pillock and a bunch of numpties drag politics into everything..
He’ll just saying ‘I dinae want politics dragged into my art/games/films to be preached at” is called ‘taking a side”..
That’s what people mean when they say they’re tired of politics being dragged into places and discussions where it previously wasn’t.
Just clarifying is all. ^.-.^
Most people don't misconstrue or demonize people innocently using a common thing. But when something such as the "OK" symbol is adopted by people on the extreme right to evade filters combing for hate speech on social media and weaponize it, you shouldn't be surprised when other people call it out as hateful political speech. Being cute and sneaky doesn't give you a pass.
Politics is inextricably entwined with every aspect of life. Get used to it.
Just clarifying is all.
Because I have seen far too many people come under fire for completely mundane and innocent things, and end up being called ‘a Nazi” and harassed, slandered, canceled or fired all because the outrage mob wants a baddie to chase after…
That’s the problem with the ‘It’s okay to attack an ‘X””, while simultaneously leaving the definition for’X” to be as broad as the day is long…
Nobody misunderstood Kyle Rittenhouse's flashing of hand symbols at that bar, for instance.
People winkingly weaponizing commonly innocent things as dog whistles are clearly the problem, not the people calling them out on it.
Though, to complicate things, I have actually seen people misinterpreting such things, and I've called them out on that, too. I think that's the way it should work rather than some vague blanket approach that you seem to be advocating. It's not like we have to just throw up our hands and say "Nothing to be done here".
This! Definitely this!
It infuriates me that people I 'block' can still effectively spy on me.
And the right wing and their anti trans BS can fuck right off
Agreed, blocking a racist, rapey, trans-chaser sea derg obsessing over me did nothing except stop the creepy comments. I want all nasties and creepers out of my watcher list...and also want global blocking (same email for different accounts would also be prevented from watching from the initial account block)!!
"Oh they can't comment, or favorite my stuff. Things that are often just for my benefit and not for theirs? However will they cope."
But still they're free to gawk at the content, even if their eyes have no right to do so.
Even if I'm not an artist there's more than a few people I wish I could prevent from watching my stuff. I can only hope that my words and blocking them will taint any image featuring my characters for them so they cannot enjoy it.
By what Right to you have to say who can and cannot enjoy or view content?
What kind of 1984 nonsense is this? This is exactly what creates such toxic hateful and spiteful divisions between people that inevitably lead to violence.
This kind of rhetoric needs to have the brakes applied hard and fast, because it leads down a path NONE but those whom WANT Violence want to go.
You're gullible, Beuwen. You say you are for rights of all, and that no restrictions should apply, but you say that about conservatives. Who's soul existence seem to make restrictions and regulations.
Restrictions mostly targeting marginalized groups. Where is that groups' freedom?
I am sick of it, because all you want is for democrats to lay flat on their backs, while conservatives lie their way into power to do a 180 and screw people over. All under the name of "Freedom"
Never have a word that stands for peoples' rights been so battered and abused by people waving it around to get into power so they could then strip the freedom from the people.
No, I do not feel that a person, who desire death and misery to someone who fights for their FREEDOM to love who they want to love, for someone who fights for their FREEDOM to be the gender they choose to be deserves to view my content.
How come those peoples' freedom, to just watch porn take priority over the fact that they are voting to revoke those very same people who drew that porn their freedom to breathe, Beuwen?
Time and time again its talks about "Its dangerous to restrict this"
Yet the one group that kills, stalks, harasses is the very same fucking one that calls the other group the oppressive ones. That you are so fucking blind to see that.
And before you follow up with "What if i blocked you from viewing my art?" Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to it, considering I know the groups of hate and destruction you willingly stand for behind that cutesy friendly facade you put up. Your art is sullied for me already.
If you truly feel all that you wrote is true, then all I can do is tip me hat and wish you a good day with your delusions.
Cheers.
~BeuFloof
So whatever it is, it can't be very good. But please, do educate me, if you think i am so delusional.
Because right it seems thinking the other is a misinformed fool is the only thing we can agree on.
I mean do you think stuff out before you go frothing at the mouth or do you just post slippery slope fallacies without putting any thought into it? Because I'm thinking it's the latter.
Also I've got my own reservations around LGBTQ issues, coming from a left-wing point of view that's entirely unrepresented, because I'm crazy, but always believed people have a right to do what they want and retain all rights to self-determination. The right clearly doesn't believe in that, its actions and policies demonstrate as much. I don't 'identify' as queer (again, I have my own opinions) but sure as shit would be labeled as such by a right wing authoritarian theology that they want to install. Why do they think they're any different?
But I really needed this today. Thank you. I just lost my only queer friend, because it turns out she's one of these Tolerance Extremists, and she thinks that saying Nazis are wrong is a hate crime.
Meanwhile my father is rooting for Russia, because he says "somebody had to stop the European Union from getting bigger".
So thanks for posting politics on FurAffinity. You've made me feel a little bit less alone. Maybe people with radically different views really can get along!
The fandom has a major problem and it's not just a few people.
Maybe avoid the news for a bit and/or binge some cartoons for escapism?
Also deeply sorry how many awful people seem to have come out of the woodwork to criticize you on this post. Anyway, glad to see you're an awesome person within the community. Thank you for being you.
"Those extremist who care only about race and victimhood are leftoids. they are unwilling to listen to discussion. they will drown you out with chanting, screaming. They force others to their will and ideology least those who do not submit are canceled or worse.
No doubt there are people on both sides unwilling to listen to people on the other side. I happen to be on the extreme left myself, for a lot of reasons. I'll listen to people I disagree with, and I'll call them out on their BS if I see it. I can't say that I've ever seen anyone on the left forcing anyone to their will, and it's completely impossible to force someone to your ideology.
And cancelling? What would you call book banning, legislating against gay and trans people, or against the teaching of factual history? The closest I've ever seen anyone on the left get to cancelling anyone is to try to prevent people from spewing hate speech in some particular place at some particular time. No one has ever tried to completely prevent them from speaking, nor would they be able to.
"...the left will praise and excuse their own for the hate and violence they bring."
"The left" is a really broad phrase that encompasses a wide variety of nuanced ideologies, just as with the right. The vast majority of them, I would venture, are against violence, and I can't say that I've seen any cases of the left exhibiting hate. This is in contrast with the extreme right, who expressly use hate, violence and fear as tools of oppression.
The George Floyd protests WERE overwhelmingly peaceful. There were only something like ten percent of them where there was any property damage. No doubt there are always some small amount of people just out to fuck shit up, but most of the property damage was done out of frustration and rage at the continued taking of lives of unarmed black people by the police, or in reaction to the brutal suppression of the protests by police. Some of it was even proven to have been done by right wing provocateurs. The property damage is certainly unfortunate, and I happen to think that it's counterproductive. But oppressed people get frustrated, and their anger can be manifested in riots. If you want to prevent riots, prevent the oppression. And any rioting or property damage are just a distraction from the real issue, which is the useless and callous taking of human lives. Any property damage is trivial compared to that.
"...dozens of black people were murdered by BLM and Antif activist."
That's just patently ridiculous. If you have any evidence of this I'd love to see it. On the other hand, countless people were seriously injured and some were even killed by police and people on the extreme right.
BLM is based on peace, inclusivity and nonviolence. BLM followers aren't murdering anyone. And the only people who have anything to fear from Antifa are fascists who come to demonstrations spoiling for a fight. Antifa is not instigating violence at protests with any peaceful people, let alone killing anyone. The vast majority of the work done by Antifa is nonviolent work done behind the scenes and not the confrontational events at some protests that make the headlines and are weaponized by the right wing or the right wing press as violence.
And it's a plain fallacy that the left are "Bringing on death and destruction." That's just nonsense.
That is the least accurate thing i've heard in my life, but thanks for giving me a laugh. By that definition, a black king who subjugates black citizens... is racist. Yea, nope.
Racism isn't just a white people hating people of color thing. It's just something white people have done a lot of here in the US, to the point where the oppression has become systemic.
And somewhat related is the discrimination of some light skinned blacks against those of darker complexion.
That, uh...that's kinda racist.
Now, one group can have more privilege than another and in those cases the sin of oppression lies more with them than with others but trying to say it doesn't via whataboutism is just lazy.
Not really, no. If they are they aren't conservatives as being accepting of those groups goes against conservative values.
It is quite possible to love and accept others while also disagreeing with them. Hate is not required.
I am disagreeing with some LGBT people on identity-based imperatives, such as "If you identify as a furry, you must believe X or GTFO" or "You MUST say these exact words or you HATE trans people." Nope. I do not hate anybody, but I also do not participate in compelled speech. My beliefs are my own business. Disagreeing with someone is not oppression. You can feel free to disagree... and you aren't oppressing me by doing so, But keep ringing that bell if it makes you happy.
The attitude of "either you are 100% with us on every point or you are against us" is what drives people away from the left, even if they agree with you on some of the core tenets. This is a widespread problem. All or nothing without compromise or understanding. You can't build a coalition like that. It's a poor recruitment tool, but you are too high on your sense of self righteousness to notice that most people are more concerned with their own problems.
Enjoy losing the next election I guess. You can make a hat out of your "truth".
That would be perfect against block circumvention because stalkers do this a lot.
As a developer of sergals I had much more than one request to do-not-watch the whole artist because they had just one stalker they couldn't block from watching them. I understand their concerns. But there must be a better way :(
The fact they still don't have a decent block filter for tagged images makes me sad. We have so many other sites like Inkbunny that people don't really want to touch due to its history, yet have so many features that folk on FA have been dying for.
I have not often met people I have blocked, but those few who I have tend to be the extreme weirdos who go out of their way to bypass blocks by making new accounts or whatever... In that case such things are never really effective :(
Tribalism is a terrible thing. You have my sympathy.
So while I sympathise with everything you said, what you're proposing is technologically impossible unless they make it so that you have to approve every single watcher by hand. And even if you did, you wouldn't be able to tell if a fresh account was related to one you blocked.
People with that sort of mindset ruin the world. BOTH the left and right need to lose the "I'm right, they're wrong" gatekeeping mindset. If you're only tolerant of what you agree with, you're not tolerant at all.
The world isn't as black and white as you or many people think it is. Popular furries like you using your platform to condemn or promote a political ideology are just the fucking worst.