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Good riddance, Roe v. Wade.
3 years ago
Today is a good day to be proud of my country. It may be controversial (unfortunately), but I think the Supreme Court made the right call this morning. Despite the disgusting attempts by the opposition to leak information and threaten the judges, the infamous decision to institutionalize abortion by exploiting a loophole through a misreading of the constitution has finally been overturned.
Why does this matter? It means Washington DC is no longer in charge of defining who gets to have the right to be born. When we're talking about unborn children (fetuses, "clumps of cells", or whatever you pro-choicers want to call them to help yourselves sleep at night), we're talking about independently-functioning beings made of human flesh with working brains. That, by definition should be allowed to be considered human life and entitled to the same rights as any child. When you look past the normalization our generation has been subjected to with decades of downplaying the severity of ending human life for the sake of personal convenience with nice-sounding euphemisms and dog whistles ("It's just women's healthcare, bro!"), you really start to see why abortion can be considered unethical by a lot of people like me and why it was wrong for the federal government to shut the discussion down with an unconstitutional ruling for so long.
I truly believe our grandchildren will look back at abortion the same way we've come to see lobotomy and slavery. Corrupt societies have always had a disturbing habit of coming up with cruel and unnatural ways to do away with "unwanted" people. It was wrong then, and it's wrong now. Take a step back and realize what this means for not only the USA, but for the rest of the world as well. If you're still convinced that Roe v. Wade being overturned is somehow "taking away" human rights (as opposed to protecting the rights of the unborn), you're the one who's on the wrong side of history, not everyone else.
Why does this matter? It means Washington DC is no longer in charge of defining who gets to have the right to be born. When we're talking about unborn children (fetuses, "clumps of cells", or whatever you pro-choicers want to call them to help yourselves sleep at night), we're talking about independently-functioning beings made of human flesh with working brains. That, by definition should be allowed to be considered human life and entitled to the same rights as any child. When you look past the normalization our generation has been subjected to with decades of downplaying the severity of ending human life for the sake of personal convenience with nice-sounding euphemisms and dog whistles ("It's just women's healthcare, bro!"), you really start to see why abortion can be considered unethical by a lot of people like me and why it was wrong for the federal government to shut the discussion down with an unconstitutional ruling for so long.
I truly believe our grandchildren will look back at abortion the same way we've come to see lobotomy and slavery. Corrupt societies have always had a disturbing habit of coming up with cruel and unnatural ways to do away with "unwanted" people. It was wrong then, and it's wrong now. Take a step back and realize what this means for not only the USA, but for the rest of the world as well. If you're still convinced that Roe v. Wade being overturned is somehow "taking away" human rights (as opposed to protecting the rights of the unborn), you're the one who's on the wrong side of history, not everyone else.
The real side of the pro-choice people, you can see on Twitter, Reddit, and Discord; it's not about keeping women safe, it's about being able to do whatever they want without consequences. On Twitter and Reddit, you question any of them, they'll admit that it's so they can have sex whenever they want, and that they don't want to use protection - hell, I've seen a few freaks on both sites take it even further, and openly admit that their position is for child murder; some of them hold literal parties celebrating the number of abortions they've had. And over on Discord, I'm legit seeing calls for violence; powermods and their supporters claiming that they need to "go to action" to "make their voice heard" at all costs.
With Roe v. Wade, simply my views are based on what I've heard, it was not concluded legalistically properly to warrant it having a nation wide mandate. I'm not detailed on the legal aspect of it so I won't say much.
At lease there's legal push back on some extremist leftist bull crap like late term abortion. (Anyone who views late term abortion as right should not have human rights while thinking it's okay to kill a human with a full on human form.)
I understand how some people can become convinced that a fetus has a right to life. But that right doesn't take precedence over the life of the pregnant person, and their right to decide what to do with their life and body.
The supposed "Right to life" of a fetus, or even the group of cells that precedes one, as well as the idea that life starts with the fertilization of an egg, are purely a religious view, and the US is supposed to have a separation of church and state, as well as a right to privacy and personal rights.
Abortion isn't some sort of conspiracy or plot to get rid of some certain segment of the population, or even to get rid of any people at all. It's a right and a personal decision which isn't taken lightly, and is done for a myriad of reasons. It's not a decision taken lightly by anyone, and it's not anyone's first choice of birth control.
If someone doesn't want to have an abortion good for them. But nobody has the right to make that decision for anybody else. Period.
The overwhelming trend worldwide as people have become more educated has been towards personal freedom, and basing decisions on science, morality, and logic. The vast majority of Americans are for abortion rights and against the Supreme court's decision, and even more against the Supreme Court's recent corruption by Republicans, religious extremists, and the extreme right. You're clearly the one on the wrong side of history here.
Seriously, though, I shouldn't need to explain why I'm obviously not endorsing "religious extremisn, fascism, racism, discrimination, and the misery and death of pregnant people and their families" just for being pro-life. Honestly, I'm having trouble taking you seriously. You sound like you're trolling.
As I said, you are completely within your right to be against abortion. Nobody has the right to impose this view on anyone else though. It's only going to discriminate against poor people and people of color, cause misery, and endanger the lives of pregnant people and their children.
“ "It means Washington DC is no longer in charge of defining who gets to have the right to be born."
Dipshit doesnt GET it.
Women are no longer given the rights on whether or not they want a life-changing event.
Stupid fuckwad. I'd punch him so hard right now. but thats not gonna solve anything.
Nope we either need to expand the Supreme Court justices or start killing them.”
This is a comment front that journal. These people are unhinged.
And yeah, that other guy commenting on his journal is even worse. I know this recent ruling by the Supreme Court is controversial, but seriously, who openly calls for literally murdering the judges? That's insane. But no, apparently I'm the one who's supposedly dangerous around here because I think killing babies is bad. What a disaster.
My opening remark about being proud of my country is simply me hoping this marks the beginning of an international shift in the overall attitude toward abortion across the world. Just like how same-sex marriage finally becoming federally recognized here in the United States back in 2015 led to other countries like Australia following suit, I hope the overturning of Roe v. Wade has a similar ripple effect. Me being glad the people in charge of the laws in my country made what I believe to be the right decision is not fascism. I know there has been a big push in recent years to conflate patriotism with fascism, but I assure you that's not the case here.
As for why I believe overturning Roe v. Wade to be the right decision, there are a few reasons, actually. For starters, Row v. Wade was built on shaky ground involving a court case that wouldn't hold up by today's standards. Like I already mentioned, it required a very specific reading of the constitution that basically turned the fourth amendment into a loophole for abortion, which was never its intended purpose, hence why it was unconstitutional. Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg acknowledged that. It was never a matter of if it would become obsolete, but when. If anything reflects poorly on the Supreme Court, it's how long it took to get to this point.
Then there's the ethicality of abortion itself. You probably already know where I stand on this issue, but just so we're on the same page, I understand how things like ectopic pregnancies can occasionally happen and unfortunately leave the mother with no choice but to do a pregnancy-ending procedure to avoid a more fatal outcome, but those cases are few and far between (and abortion bans don't restrict access to those procedures anyway). When people like me talk about abortion, we're specifically talking about elective abortions, which are those done for reasons other than medical emergencies. According to studies like this one done in 2004, the vast majority of recipients chose abortion simply out of convenience and a lack of awareness of other options. While it might be easy to assume rape and incest are the most common responses given, the truth is that rape and incest are listed as reasons less than 3% of the time. For the rest, we're talking about superficial reasons like "would interfere with my job or education" or "partner wasn't ready to get married" among other trivial things. That's the uncomfortable reality of roughly 75% of abortions. They're entirely preventable, which just strikes me as being extremely unethical. There's a reason no-kill animal shelters are a thing. If the act of killing a living being can easily be avoided, it should.
And yes, I do believe unborn children to be alive. There's nothing religious about it. Like I've already pointed out before, we're talking about beings made of human flesh with functioning brains. Even if they're early in development, they still have all the parts needed to classify as human life. You have to understand that exiting the mother's body doesn't suddenly make a child more alive than mere moments earlier, especially when we already know that alternatives to traditional birthing like C-sections exist (which bypass the birthing process altogether). Since there's no point at which fetuses become living human beings unless they already were since conception, then yes, they count as human life, which means they, by extension, should be entitled to human rights.
Regarding the "vast majority of Americans" opposing the recent decision by the Supreme Court, I'd like to see evidence for that. From what I've seen, the debate surrounding abortion is split pretty much 50/50. Most surveys I've seen like this one from Gallup show it being split pretty evenly across both sexes as well, which shows that it's not exactly a men vs. women thing either (despite a lot of pro-choicers framing it that way). What it really comes down to at this point is whether the individual states will continue to tolerate elective abortions or if there will be changes in the state laws. Frankly, while it might sound surprising, it think the short-term effect will actually be Democrat-run states loosening their abortion restrictions before there are any changes in the opposite direction any time soon. What I'm hoping to see in the long run is more awareness of what really goes on with the abortion industry as a result, which will eventually reshape people's perception of it from being unquestionable to something that should be questioned. None of that requires racism or any other from of bigotry or extremism like you keep claiming.