Noncon Commission Yellow and Red Flags
3 years ago
General
If you click on my meager list of watchers and sift through those 1,000 names or so, the majority of those weird pervs barnacled their way onto my fan club as a result of my niche of doing noncon or dubcon style porn. It was a tentative thing to explore, something simultaneously become more comfortable with and as uncomfortable with as ever, but allowed me to showcase a version of the niche that focused more on the sub fantasy perspective and avoided certain more crude tropes.
I eventually put that kind of work mostly aside both as a means to inject some semblance of legitimacy into my body of work, whatever it's worth, and also out of increasing resentment for a fanbase that almost invariably couldn't be assed to so much as feign interest in any other work I was doing. America's supercharged misogyny didn't help, either. Still, it's a niche kink I still explore from time to time and still occasionally take commissions for. In fact, I was considering the merits of taking a commission of that type more recently, but have been hesitant to put out the journal expressing so, largely because of how seldom it is that the suggestion I get from a potential buyer is something I really want to do.
So with that in mind, here's a list of suggestions/requests I get for noncon art that either give me pause or outright revolt me.
Yellow - M/F Situations: Yes! I am my own yellow flag. Most of my stuff like this was M/F in nature, but luckily for me, I know what my own brain is thinking, and while I know that for me it's a sub-perspective paradoxically homoerotic fantasy, I always feel like i need to get the low down on anyone else. My "Fuck Off, Nazi" journal is the first line of defense against the most obvious problematic types but that doesn't protect us from say, that weird yet plentiful subgroup of male leftists who ALSO super duper hate women. So it's always important to do some sleuthing and answer the question - harmless fantasy from no particular source, or was your mom mean to you as a kid?
Red - Choking: I knew a guy for whom choking during rape was practically a requirement for him. He later went on to tell me how great Donald Trump was. The two qualities are almost certainly related. Whenever somebody wants choking, especially if their character's in the dominant role, I always think "Ooh, big strong man, rawr, nobody mess with this guy, 'cause he's a baddie!"
Yellow - Buyer's character is Dom: Not automatically an issue but again, this is when I'm gonna wonder what the fantasy is doing for you, exactly, and if nothing else, it'll make it hard for us, buyer-and-artist, to get on the same wavelength in terms of creative direction for the project because I'm gonna be straight with you dawg - dom-minded people are boring as fuuuuuuuuuuck. Oh my god, they've got no ideas, no insight, no creativity at ALL in my experience, it's just 'duhhhhhh I hump you now till I'm happy.'
Red - Violence against sub: Now if your character is the sub or the situation is presented as a rough roleplay then this is more yellow, and the issue is mostly that I'm not interested in drawing that. If your character is the dom and the situation is literal, get the fuck away from me.
Yellow - Impregnation: I used to be more okay with this buuuuuuuuuuuut read the room, guys.
Red - Crying sub: What the fuck is wrong with you?
Yellow - Sex Slave: Feels like it should be Red but it's common enough that I suppose I won't assume it to be reserved for only the most questionable. All the same, much like how those evangelical Christian husbands pretty much demand complete obedience from their wives from the beginning, I raise an eyebrow at anyone who feels they need their dominant role to be this unquestioned. It's a boring power dynamic and makes me wonder why you feel the need to fantasize in such a way that leaves yourself completely unchallenged. Again, if it's a sub-perspective slave thing, less problematic but still very boring.
Red - "Previously-Rejected" Narrative: No, Preston B. Incel, I am not interested in helping you attain your rape fantasy of all the women of the world who wisely avoided your buzzcut head, fat face, and libertarian perspective on a human female's reproductive prime.
Yellow - Sexual Pain: Call me old-fashioned but I just think sex seems more pleasurable when it's not specifically unpleasurable. And between this obnoxious trend of abdominal bulges and dicks that look like medieval torture devices, I do not understand why so many people have decided that pleasurable sex just plain isn't where the party's at. And in relation to noncon porn you could argue "Well, isn't it more unrealistic to suggest it would be pleasurable?" And the answer is, yeah (Usually at least, complicated issue, not gonna get into it here) perhaps, but then you get into those people who insist that their rape porn be 'realistic' and frankly that almost made it onto this list until I decided that it would essentially be a combination of items already here.
Red & Yellow - "Take it, bitch"/"This little slut loves it!": This is both red and yellow because while I'd love to attribute this to a specific kind of chauvinistic fuckwit and I'm sure they play a big role in the proliferation of this crap, the fact is, damn near all of you are god-fucking-awful at writing porn dialogue of any kind, and this is pretty much the only dreck you're capable of coming up with when it comes to noncon or similar work. When there's a story or dialogue involved in a noncon commission I do, the buyer pretty much always lets me handle it unilaterally - and they should. Arrogant? Cocky? Don't care. You all suck at this.
And I'm sure there's more I can come up with but that gives you a basic idea. That last one is kind of a more vague/all-encompassing one in some ways because it explains the mentality of a lot of people going into this kind of thing, and how cliche, crass, boring, and generally degrading most ideas of this type are. Now I'm not faulting you for having a humiliation kink - it's a cornerstone of the genre - but we can get through more nuanced cues and ideas, not just beating ourselves over the head with it because we've got the imagination of a 12 year-old.
For that stuff I tend to prefer to have a small group of regular buyers whom I know, and they know me, and we know how to do business. Putting out feelers for commissions like this with randos is rarely successful given the bad habits so many people have learned. Now I'm not to say that being interested in any one of these concepts makes somebody a bad/questionable person automatically (Although some raise more eyebrows than others) and just my willingness to do that kind of work has subjected me to plenty of criticism and side-eyes over the years, but nonetheless, this is just some of the stuff I try to avoid when taking on an already shaky genre of smut.
I eventually put that kind of work mostly aside both as a means to inject some semblance of legitimacy into my body of work, whatever it's worth, and also out of increasing resentment for a fanbase that almost invariably couldn't be assed to so much as feign interest in any other work I was doing. America's supercharged misogyny didn't help, either. Still, it's a niche kink I still explore from time to time and still occasionally take commissions for. In fact, I was considering the merits of taking a commission of that type more recently, but have been hesitant to put out the journal expressing so, largely because of how seldom it is that the suggestion I get from a potential buyer is something I really want to do.
So with that in mind, here's a list of suggestions/requests I get for noncon art that either give me pause or outright revolt me.
Yellow - M/F Situations: Yes! I am my own yellow flag. Most of my stuff like this was M/F in nature, but luckily for me, I know what my own brain is thinking, and while I know that for me it's a sub-perspective paradoxically homoerotic fantasy, I always feel like i need to get the low down on anyone else. My "Fuck Off, Nazi" journal is the first line of defense against the most obvious problematic types but that doesn't protect us from say, that weird yet plentiful subgroup of male leftists who ALSO super duper hate women. So it's always important to do some sleuthing and answer the question - harmless fantasy from no particular source, or was your mom mean to you as a kid?
Red - Choking: I knew a guy for whom choking during rape was practically a requirement for him. He later went on to tell me how great Donald Trump was. The two qualities are almost certainly related. Whenever somebody wants choking, especially if their character's in the dominant role, I always think "Ooh, big strong man, rawr, nobody mess with this guy, 'cause he's a baddie!"
Yellow - Buyer's character is Dom: Not automatically an issue but again, this is when I'm gonna wonder what the fantasy is doing for you, exactly, and if nothing else, it'll make it hard for us, buyer-and-artist, to get on the same wavelength in terms of creative direction for the project because I'm gonna be straight with you dawg - dom-minded people are boring as fuuuuuuuuuuck. Oh my god, they've got no ideas, no insight, no creativity at ALL in my experience, it's just 'duhhhhhh I hump you now till I'm happy.'
Red - Violence against sub: Now if your character is the sub or the situation is presented as a rough roleplay then this is more yellow, and the issue is mostly that I'm not interested in drawing that. If your character is the dom and the situation is literal, get the fuck away from me.
Yellow - Impregnation: I used to be more okay with this buuuuuuuuuuuut read the room, guys.
Red - Crying sub: What the fuck is wrong with you?
Yellow - Sex Slave: Feels like it should be Red but it's common enough that I suppose I won't assume it to be reserved for only the most questionable. All the same, much like how those evangelical Christian husbands pretty much demand complete obedience from their wives from the beginning, I raise an eyebrow at anyone who feels they need their dominant role to be this unquestioned. It's a boring power dynamic and makes me wonder why you feel the need to fantasize in such a way that leaves yourself completely unchallenged. Again, if it's a sub-perspective slave thing, less problematic but still very boring.
Red - "Previously-Rejected" Narrative: No, Preston B. Incel, I am not interested in helping you attain your rape fantasy of all the women of the world who wisely avoided your buzzcut head, fat face, and libertarian perspective on a human female's reproductive prime.
Yellow - Sexual Pain: Call me old-fashioned but I just think sex seems more pleasurable when it's not specifically unpleasurable. And between this obnoxious trend of abdominal bulges and dicks that look like medieval torture devices, I do not understand why so many people have decided that pleasurable sex just plain isn't where the party's at. And in relation to noncon porn you could argue "Well, isn't it more unrealistic to suggest it would be pleasurable?" And the answer is, yeah (Usually at least, complicated issue, not gonna get into it here) perhaps, but then you get into those people who insist that their rape porn be 'realistic' and frankly that almost made it onto this list until I decided that it would essentially be a combination of items already here.
Red & Yellow - "Take it, bitch"/"This little slut loves it!": This is both red and yellow because while I'd love to attribute this to a specific kind of chauvinistic fuckwit and I'm sure they play a big role in the proliferation of this crap, the fact is, damn near all of you are god-fucking-awful at writing porn dialogue of any kind, and this is pretty much the only dreck you're capable of coming up with when it comes to noncon or similar work. When there's a story or dialogue involved in a noncon commission I do, the buyer pretty much always lets me handle it unilaterally - and they should. Arrogant? Cocky? Don't care. You all suck at this.
And I'm sure there's more I can come up with but that gives you a basic idea. That last one is kind of a more vague/all-encompassing one in some ways because it explains the mentality of a lot of people going into this kind of thing, and how cliche, crass, boring, and generally degrading most ideas of this type are. Now I'm not faulting you for having a humiliation kink - it's a cornerstone of the genre - but we can get through more nuanced cues and ideas, not just beating ourselves over the head with it because we've got the imagination of a 12 year-old.
For that stuff I tend to prefer to have a small group of regular buyers whom I know, and they know me, and we know how to do business. Putting out feelers for commissions like this with randos is rarely successful given the bad habits so many people have learned. Now I'm not to say that being interested in any one of these concepts makes somebody a bad/questionable person automatically (Although some raise more eyebrows than others) and just my willingness to do that kind of work has subjected me to plenty of criticism and side-eyes over the years, but nonetheless, this is just some of the stuff I try to avoid when taking on an already shaky genre of smut.
Gymio
~gymio
good in you for setting lines to know and not cross.
It's totally cool to have lines you won't cross. I also agree that while being into certain kinds of smut doesn't make someone a douche certain fetishes lend themselves to douchery. I'm into some rather extreme kinks myself and routinely avoid art by certain artists even though it's REALLY good and hard to find because said artists are creepy fucking people. Like, you can be into fucked up shit, have standards, and not be a complete and utter jackass.
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