where's your pic to prove you're not the same as most of those people? =/ kind of a dick thing to say considering most of the fandom are social outcasts and people with disabilities and such. At least i knew that when i joined and it doesn't bother me all that much i just ignore it *shrugs*

In my gallery
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1598893/

body's nice; could grow some hair to add to the semi-attractiveness.

but my point is, you shouldn't bash on what the majority of the fandom is. For one, it's not nice and makes said people loose even more of their self-esteem, and two it's just bad karma =/

I'd prefer not to look like a bear and shed all over the place.

Self-esteem is a ranging emotion/feeling. You're in control of it. If these people don't like the way they act or look then it is completely within their power to change whatever it is about themselves that's bothering them. While I'm no expert or PT I'm more than happy to help or give advice to people who want to change, I respect people for that. It's the people that complain about things that they are in control of but do nothing about. And I'm supposed to have sympathy for that?

And as for karma, I'm not singling anybody out. I'm speaking in broad terms about what I personally find attractive or not. Holding and sharing an opinion is not bad karma when it's not specifically targeted at anyone.

You don't take in the major factor like your friend; they lack reasons to either because they don't care what others think or because theyve had bad experiences trying to be like everyone else in the past. Besides, conformity is so unattractive these days and tends to bring out the true side of people. No one's looking for sympathy, just compassion. Being furries one would think there was a lot of that to go around but guess not. Just a bunch of egos =(

I love that this turned into a big deal. haha

"because they don't care what others think"
Awesome, so they don't care that Uro may,
or may not, think they're ugly.
What was your point again? :D

That people should be respectful and understanding, not ignorant and immature.

Do you need help understanding anything else in English because that message should've been pretty clear =( sorry no one taught you how to comprehend =(

Wow, you're a jerk. Why so hostile, friend?

because of your sarcasm at the end of your previous comment.

Aw, grow up, champ. It's the internet!

I think I'm grown up enough for the both of us kthx

He's 17 years old. It's an expected response. Youngsters are so aggressive and lively *wags*

haha TRUE STORY!

I'm 17 but have been through more than most; example, been living on my own since 15 1/2. So I have a lot of life experiences, more than just about everyone at my age actually. ^_^ so i'll take that as a compliment

S' not very wise to compare your hardships to others.

Well it's true, I'm sorry. How many teens have to go out and fend for themselves before the age of 16 without family help or a job? Hardly any.

You don't seem to understand that there is ALWAYS more diversity in a group than between groups. Sure, some wear the visage of the 'nice guy' saying someone is the most beautiful flower on the planet when in fact the person in question is say a 3 on the attractiveness meter.

Is misleading someone to think they are gorgeous only to be shot down by others for being unattractive the nice thing to do? Or is telling them the truth in a caring way to avoid an identity crisis better? I for one give honest opinions and if people can't handle it then it's no skin off my teeth.

If they don't care what others think then there is no reason for them to write emo sadface journals about how they have no friends, or they can't find a 'mate', ect. People DO care what others think it's a universal feeling, no one can honestly say that they have absolutely no regard for what others think. If there was no such thing as public opinion what would stop people from walking around naked, having sex in a playground, participating in illegal deviant behaviors? Oh, it's because people DO care about how others think of, and perceive them. You're talking about a utopia that doesn't exist.

I get all that, but there's honest and then there's also blunt and being blunt can be pretty hurtful to most. There are nice ways to put things; that's all I'm trying to say.

Honesty is not being deceitful to others, being blunt is telling things as they are. There is way more overlap than differences between the two.

And sure there are nice ways to put things, I would have worded it differently if that was my intent. I'm not singling anyone out so I don't see why I would need to dumb things down for people and spoon feed them.

Well social outcasts can only blame themselves for what they lack, especially a lot of the newcomers n' all. They either get up and learn or they don't. Doesn't help asking for sympathy for not dressing up and fixing your hair, but trying to interact with others better can be something they can tackle, sympathy to that. Even so, most can socialize but don't choose to do much out of themselves inside and out and be prideful about it. :3 Most people that don't look as decent obviously could, based on my analysis. I personally wouldn't call an average look bad or ugly and could be attractive to different people. Fact that people are posting these pictures can be more damage than a complaint towards ugly people and random faces by an attractive man like.

As for disabilities, their decision for posting it and they know what they are by default and what they are putting themselves up against. x) Furry standards aren't even that low in itself. Some are, but not enough to call home about. xD

Haha, that's pretty much exactly what I just finished writing ;3

Going to be at mff btw?

Yea I'll be at MFF

Excellent :D

Actually they shouldn't blame themselves that's the stupidest and most ignorant thing I've heard someone say in quite a while lol. There are major factors you're not taking in that are obvious. These being:

Genetics: Not everyone can be as perfect as you and uro, this being because they don't get to choose who spawns them.

Early Upbringing: This is where just about everyone gains a conscious about themselves because they get picked on FOR trying to be like everyone else. There's nothing to learn about who you are that you don't already know, it's what other people say about you that you learn about and sadly that's what most people think matter. This early stage of life is why most people become shut-ins and socially inept; it can't be helped especially if they're given a lot of shit while growing up.

Also, the reason most people don't try is because they lack reasons TO try; i.e RL friends, etc. And they know doing it to impress people over the internet is stupid, so why bother?

Lastly, they post about their disabilities so that they're friends know as much about them as possible and maybe to get it off their chests. It shouldn't be held against them by any means.

Genetics: Uro takes care of himself. He clearly exercises and eats right. Unlike a whole helluva lot of furries that I know, have met, and see regularly. It's not genetics, it's getting out of the furry fantasy world long enough to look at yourself honestly and realize that pretending you look good (because your character looks good) is unhealthy both physically and mentally. There's nothing wrong with playing with fantasy as long as you don't use it to sub for real life.

Early Upbringing: Many furries have trouble fitting into regular social circles for a variety of reasons. The fandom gives them (and all of us) a chance to fit in via our fantasy characters. This can be very healthy and provides a safe place to be ourselves. But, again, we we start to substitute the fantasy for real life, then we become stunted. Furries as a whole (and I know this is a generalization) have problems with a immature social abilities. We're all so used to it in the fandom that it's a joke that isn't even funny now. But it is a real problem. Uro's complaint was broad and unfocused. He didn't pick on anyone specifically and he didn't track an awkward furry down in the hallway just to throw a slushie on him or her. I'm not sure who you're defending, but I don't see that he hurt anyone beyond a general complaint about yet another annoying band-wagon meme.

The only reason the furries are trying this (I assume you mean putting photos up) now is that it's a meme. It isn't about them being brave and learning to become more social in real life, it's just a meme. Furries (and whatever other geek group you want to point out) love memes. It's another way of trying to feel like you belong with a bunch of strangers by aping their actions.

I'm missing where disabilities plays into this. Uro didn't say anything about disabilities and the meme is just about photos. It's not about posting about your disability. I don't see where that became an issue until you brought it up.

I'm not the one who brought up disabilities, maneater was.

Also, I'm not defending anyone in particular, and I realized right away that he wsn't attacking any one or few persons but the fact is what he said was demeaning. *shrugs*

Lastly (no i'm not going to continue commenting on what this whole thing was based off as it's obviously a waste), yes, it is just a meme. So I don't see why Uro and a bunch of other people are getting so buttraped about it. OMG FA IS MYSPACE NAO!! BAW BAW BAW UGLY PPLZ.

It'll stop in like 2 days people grow up. Also, this site HAS been like every other social networking site from the beginning. Apparently most people don't see it, but there is a tab under submission type labeled 'HUMAN' which is meant for an array of things, including pictures of ones self. That's the reason I called him out on this; because he has no sense of knowledge on this.

You mean that you brought up Disabilities to me lol. Last thing I'd ever think up is disabled people.

you're right, my bad, but I brought them up to help point out those are major hindrances when it comes to them being social and socially acceptable.

he didn't track an awkward furry down in the hallway just to throw a slushie on him or her.

I fucking love Glee. And thank you for putting things into perspective.

I'm glad somebody got that.

Since you find it so ignorant, I'll have to give a more specific response for you since you have to immediately assume what I say applies to everyone even though I was able to point out angles and an open mind towards side things like shut-ins. I apologize for not being so specific for you that you could judge me just as poorly as I 'seemed' to judge others. You don't seem to be as open minded as you wanted to claim to be for their sakes. Those 'major' factors aren't as critical as you may think. Choice is a big thing in life. You either have it or you don't or you'll have it later. As already stated, I understand those who don't have it yet. I used to be a shut in when I was your age and I couldn't even socialize. For me to climb out of that hole, I can gladly say only I can blame myself and only I can do something about it. Friends help, true. But it's about whether you are willing to do something about it instead of complain about it. I lacked reasons to try all my life, but then I gained reason knowing I have the mind to do something about it. I don't look great or 'perfect' as you say.. as that dude Uro, but that's fine. I dress up the way I do because it's what I like and it's being personal with myself. I used to be hella fucking ugly and looked clueless and dumb. That was only because I wouldn't comb my hair, brush my fucking teeth, read a book, and dress up by my own choices. Like Uro said, they complain yet they don't do anything about it even if they are given advice and guidance. Sure, that's early upbringing upon people who are already 18+ lol. Also this is definitely not aimed towards people under 18. lol I don't have that many younger people on my watch list! I avoid kids under 18 in the fandom because I know they are still learning and growing up and I don't want to get in the way of it. There are people who don't choose to grow up even at the age of 30 years old for goodness sakes, those are the people I speak of.

There are a lot of people who can only blame themselves based on lack of initiative and action. A lot of people who make up excuses for themselves in order to continue their very very very simplified life that happens to be only more complex due to their lack of responsibility and choice. It's nearly like the fact there are a lot of lazy people who don't raise their kids and do a lot of irresponsible things and never gain any standards or goals in their life. I personally know this because I have siblings that have a lot going for them, yet they still gladly mess around and mess up their lives, even morals, ethics, and standards while knowing them enough.

A lot of them furries aren't THAT unfortunate by genetics and I didn't mention anything about perfection, hence speaking about how average is nice. I could add slightly below average is decent too. x) It's not hard to comb your hair, have better hygiene, and clothes don't get that expensive. As for the social shut-ins, like I said. I have their sympathy to them. :3 Even so, only they can do something about that, good luck to that and hope they have good support around them.

As for dressing better n' all. Doesn't take much to do so, let alone have personal tastes. They can ask people to dress their fursona whatever way they like, yet they can't with them self. For probably just $5 or less if they looked. It's immediately easy to tell between having no personal preferences and actually having them, as it is even a healthy thing to personalize yourself in some way or form. It definitely has nothing to do with trying to be like everybody else, but if it is to them they need to look outside for once or watch TV maybe. Even so, that goes back to social shut-ins who are still figuring themselves out and lacking the ability to think critically for themselves for once or even figure out what they actually prefer or like. Still, it doesn't take much to actually value themselves enough to try and at least bathe and wear deodorant. Right now in society, it's either they weren't raised or they were too pampered by parents that can be afraid of bringing kids out to the 'dangerous' world, which can be dangerous but people gotta learn. As far as egos go, some can have way too much, thinking what little they have can offer so much more than people who try and put effort into things, but then don't realize what damage it just brings down all by itself with the ego/pride included, which is another side of the wall in social shut-ins.

For people who get out of the hole of being a total shut-in, they can't really help those who are in that hole, because it would just bring them down. :/ Shut-ins usually expect and want more when they are given kindness and compassion, resulting in more problems. Basically speaking, Shut-ins are often on their own in tackling such hardships in their life, can only hope to help enough or see them dig them self out. :3

I give the fandom a lot more credit than that n' all, but that could be based on what I see at fur cons versus people sitting on their computer chair. Although, most reasons behind posting these images usually are simple things like "oh i want to be flirted with" or "oh I want ego." Then on the other hand, some are just for the heck of it. I just scanned through most of these pictures, I did not see one based on 'bad genetics'. Although, you could bring up lack of self confidence to beat that argument. *face palms* x3 Also, the majority of these photos isn't of ugly people as it is mostly of average or above. The ugly ones just being an apathetic face or an apathetic amount of choices for them self. lol

About the disabilities, they can share through IM or email or whatever site they have. They are far from afraid to show you too. lol I've had random disabled people message me and say odd things and immediately show me a picture that would scar me for life. Dude, not even I have the indecency to show off that shit! This is a public site, different story all together. Even so, common sense doesn't always exist. So you can say that lol.

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Wall of Text hits you for 3000x10^99 damage.
You die.

TL;DR =( im sure what you had to say was good and all, but there's no use dragging this on because it's sucked me in long enough.

Well said

As for dressing better n' all. Doesn't take much to do so, let alone have personal tastes. They can ask people to dress their fursona whatever way they like, yet they can't with them self.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I've seen people at cons walking around with pizza stains from their dinner last night all over their shirts and smelling up an entire room because they don't have the self respect to clean themselves or to at least change outfits. It's horrible.

I used to be a shut in when I was your age and I couldn't even socialize.

I would have never even been able to tell from hanging out with ya at this past AC. Kudos for being a prime example of what people can do if they have the ambition to do something about their lives :D I'm also hardly 'perfect' lol (though I do appreciate the compliment ^^) Just ask neokai about how much I complain about myself haha. You probably have the clearest complexion I've seen ;.;

I want it to end too lol :3 because its lame. FA is fecking myspace now lulz.

It already semi is lol.

This just makes it worse >.>

The Internet is full of ugly people. D:

Ha! My mug isn't ugly :P But yeah, that meme was insane. I've never seen an outbreak of meme's as bad as this one. It was ridiculous.

Lol, naw dude you're fine x3

You take showers which is more than I can say for half of the photomeme people.

Alright, thweet! :3

And yeah, I have to agree with people's shower situation. XD

It's a dumb meme, I agree. I really don't see the point of it except stupid randomness.

People just need to stop being sheep sometimes :)

Though I will concede, it also depends on what you mean by "ugly". Some people just have different tastes too.

Yea, I pointed that out in one of my earlier posts. It's all in an individuals perspective.

so you hang out with someone new who is in a suit, you have a great time and then when he takes it off you think, aaarrrgh, he's ugly by my standards and i'm not gonna hang out with him now and just ditch him?

dude, thats lame

We have plenty of ugly friends that are nice people and even accept that they are ugly. Turning an insecurity into something fun is the first step in building self confidence and self esteem. Nobody wants to hang out with someone who is alone at their pity party because they were born with a big nose. Seriously...you people need to step off Uro's flame train and stop getting so butt-hurt.

I don't remember saying that anywhere. I have plenty of friends that by regular standards aren't models or what have you and they are great friends.

However, some people that clearly don't take care of themselves I have no desire to be around. Mainly because that demonstrates that...

1. They have no regard for their appearance and don't have much self respect. Identity is, in part how other people perceive you so it IS important despite what people say.
2. They may not take showers or bathe regularly and thus smell.
3. Unhealthy and bad personal habits.
4. Lack goals or ambitions.
5. Disregard for yourself is a symptom of MANY bad mental disorders, including suicide and I do not want to be dragged down by that. I have had people threaten to hurt themselves if I didn't talk to them and I do not like being in a parasitic relationship like that.

All in all, I really don't care how you look as long as you are well-kempt, clean, like to party, and can hold a decent conversation. People mistake my judgments against people that complain about things and yet do nothing to change, people that have no personal/social regard and have social habits akin to a public masturbator to someone who may not have supermodel looks.

1. self respect and apperance is not correlated. someone can look awesome and yet have low self esteem. as a matter of fact lots of people make themselves perfect on the outside because they want to hide the inside.
2. agree
3. agree
4. if it is constant
5. agree

so the most of it is repulsive, i agree. noone wants to hang out with a smelly dirty person that has no reagrd for himself (not talking about shy!) however how can you know something like that from a photo and be sure of it? the smell? habits? goals? ambitions? disorders? even self respect? well you don't. you can have a stereotype based on the persons looks and thats all. being "ugly" does not mean someone has serious problems you mentioned and vice versa.

and as i recall you said there are loads of ugly people here and you are not so inclined to meet new people. so there you go, you don't like ugly people to hang out with you. and thats on what i replied, there were no problems involved, just the looks.

and i don't want to get all dramatical here and i rather have fun and enjoy the site. however i know that you should give everyone the chance to meet them properly.

i think you agree with that

1. It's more correlated than not. Sure there might be a 3rd variable thrown in the mix but generally speaking, people who dress well and spend time grooming themselves on average have high self regard and esteem. While people who do not take care of themselves on average do not.

And as they say, a picture speaks a thousand words. The ones in question speak to me words like awkward, unkempt, dirty, weird, ect. And as I mentioned those are the people I do not associate with. Had they taken the time to wash their face, blow their nose, pop that zit, put on a T shirt that would say self-respect, dignity, normal, not a mouth breather. I am perfectly inclined to meet people, just not those with the latter attributes.

I agree that it's pretty annoying. And who cares if Uro calls people ugly? If someone's ugly that's all there is to it...it's better to accept what you are and be confident and outgoing than to sit at home posting shitty pictures of yourself on a furry art website.

The meme was cute for a day but now it's out of hand.

And to the guy who got his panties in a bunch about Uro expressing his opinions (yeah you, with the butt fuck icon...that's reaaally mature), you did nothing but make yourself look like a jerk. He never said (insert name here) is ugly, he never insulted or belittled someone in particular. Stereotypes are there for a reason, and instead of laughing about it or maybe you know...helping some of these people in need, you decide to make an e-scene. Have you ever been to a furry con? I've haven't seen so many overweight people in one place since I visited Disney World. You then preceded to call him out on his own journal and then criticize him about his own appearance...which is exactly what the OP was doing in the first place. Way to go, here's a gold star.

Sometime it's nice to see the face behind the art.

I agree, but when your inbox is full of nothing but myspace photos it's out of hand. Everything is good in moderation.

I realize it's harmless, but again...in moderation.

Right right.
My inbox was not full of photos like everyone else's seemed to be.

Give your little man a break down there, mmmkay?

You want this meme to end...even though you have a photo of yourself uploaded to FA???

I kind of like knowing who's behind the art I like, makes FA feel a bit more like a community when we know each other.

Heh, it was posted like a year or so ago. Had nothing to do with this current state of affairs.

It's fun to see who is behind the art, but lately there's been a lot more myspace photos than art in my inbox. This thing caught on like wildfire lol.

I didn't do meme, I swearsies xD Can I still meet you? :3 lmao

lol oh wow

Fuck naw I'm sexy as hell. It'd be a sin to not show off my chrome dome.= here.

Pff, a horrible meme.

HA HA HA WHAT.

So done with this meme. It was done the day it came out. I mostly hope that people that posted their pictures for this will delete them or scrap them, because honestly I like my furry site's majority of content to be, well, furry. Not full of a bunch of bad quality pictures.
At least the draw your true figure one was artistic and fun to see.

I LIKE ARGUING WITH FURRIES OVER POINTLESS ISSUES ON THE INTERNET.

:D