Apparently you can use trouble tickets to submit site feedback, there's an option for it. I found that out from the FA mods on discord, which is the way they want you to do it I guess, so you could state your objections in there.

That's how they decided to make the change in the first place, a lot of people complained in there from what I gather.

Yeah I suppose I'll do that.

Yeah I'm really hoping they walk it back.

Not a single person I've seen today has supported it. And the mods on the discord shut down the only thread we could use to talk about it. I'm hoping enough people speak up and they decide not to make the change.

I've seen maybe three out of dozens that seem to be supporting it. A couple of them were because they hate babyfur/diaper stuff, but it doesn't look as though they're targeting that.

Thanks for describing the feedback process. Just submitted a ticket myself about the ambiguity of it. It needs to be way more descriptive and clear if they have any intent to enforce.

You're probably okay. The problem here is how vague and subjective this is. It opens the way for abuse by users or admins. This is getting MAJOR pushback though.

yeah that's exactly what I'm concerned about.
Someone who doesn't like other (perfectly acceptable on FA) content I do and to retaliate they try to get me suspended via "childlike" characters / sizes according to the new policy. It's a weird grey area that leaves too much room for interpretation.
Hopefully the pushback will make them drop the rule altogether, but we'll see.

Exactly.

This is ridiculous. They were already bad enough on the topic.

I am not worried about your art or account being at risk*. Your stuff is cute, for sure, but I have never seen a piece where I question the ages, which really is at the meat & bones of the problem.

More and more often i'm finding artists slap the 'all characters are 18+' sticker on their social media and then draw childlike bodies as if no one is going to call them on it. Not just chibies or cute, but just straight up kid shaped. As a parent of a now-adult, it insults my intelligence that they think they can pretend it wasn't meant to be CP hiding in plain sight. And I think that's what this rule is trying to come down on. I've also seen a lot of arguments around species that are meant to look childlike but could be any age - Final Fantasy has one, bunch of other games. And I gotta ask myself, if they all look like kids, why did someone pick them for an NSFW OC? It just doesn't track. So i'ma let the haters hate and keep my fingers crossed for you and other artists who work so hard to keep cute & adult working together.

... i'm finding artists slap the 'all characters are 18+' sticker on their social media and then draw childlike bodies as if no one is going to call them on it.

*DING DING DING DING!!*

Our most well-known change removed the classic “1000 year old loli vampire” loophole...

That right there is the entire crux of the matter.

I do agree with Sik, though. Regarding how vague the rules seem to be? They've updated the posting to clarify things a bit, so we'll have to see how it all works out.

We'll have to see how it shakes out, but reading the updated post with the appended clarification... it sounds like Pokemon/Digimon had a carve-out from "and any adolescent animals", which is now being removed? If MLP's Cutie Mark Crusaders were unacceptable unless drawn as clearly adult but an adolescent Ponyta was allowed because Pokemon were non-actionable... I can't feel too upset about parity being applied.

Yeah, but here's the question: why are you drawing the Cutie Mark Crusaders in sexual situations???

See, that's what seems to keep getting lost in the monkeydust that's being flung all over the place. FA isn't talking about small characters in general. You can draw cubs all you want. You can do Marci McAdam diaper art until the cows come home. Kobolds, babies, infants, youngsters, kids, Pokemon, Digimon, puppies, kittens, hatchlings: all open and free to draw and post as much as you like.

This part of the update makes it pretty clear what they're targeting:

...who have childlike body proportions or appear as adolescent animals will be treated as any other when in the presence of sexual activity, sexual objects, nudity, or fetishized in a sexual way.

I would wager you could even create art of adult furries taking a bath with an infant, so long as neither of them have a boner or are in a sexual situation.

But other than that, even with the most recent update, it would benefit from further clarification.

Yeah, except that THIS

https://www.furaffinity.net/view/46126982/
and this
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/51681864/

have been confirmed by mods to be against policy, the artist asked them directly.

Not my kind of content, but a friend linked me to their page to show just how stupid this policy is.

If i was sent links to those pieces without any context, I'd assume they were meant to be minors. They look like minors. Furthermore, according to e621's "tag what you see" rule, that artist has a LOT Of art that people feel is of minors. Including one posted to his twitter just 2 weeks ago of show-aged MLP Spike, A BABY dragon.

Clearly the rule and the strictness of the wording is stressing out some legitimate artists like LustyLamb here, but for people like the one you linked who actively draw cub and want to push the bounds of what they can get away with, i have no sympathy.

Nobody with a brain would ever see those two pieces of art as being cub art, period. They are literally done in the style in which the characters appear. There's not an ounce of ambiguity in them, and to try to say that they do is the biggest stretch I've seen in years.

If this policy update had never been made, there's not a single person that would ever have been able to say those were remotely close to so-called cub art.

I'd also say that there's a great deal of stuff that Lamb's done that could also get hit by this asinine policy, and I applaud their decision to keep posting what they do.

I don't like cub art. It has no place on FA.

But as has been said by others here... this whole thing has been a solution in search of a problem.

And, it doesn't matter what he's posted elsewhere. We're talking about this site, and what's on it.

This is a furry site. There's not a person on this website that doesn't know what Yoshi is, or what Koopas are. Who hasn't seen them. Same with the pokemon. Adult pokemon are drawn exactly like that.

Just by being on this site, you HAVE context, so it can't be taken OUT of context. So your argument doesn't hold any water.

Protecting those poor defenseless pikachus and koopas from exploitation on a website that has no issues hosting art of people having sex with non-anthro dogs and horses seems pretty wild to me. One has analogs IRL, the other doesn't. Kids can't consent, animals can't consent. An intelligent non-anthro is the same excuse as a 1000 year old loli, most of the time you can't tell from the art itself.

I mean if we're going to apply real world morality to art, there are tons of things that shouldn't be allowed on the site. If they don't want to host that kind of art, that's their call as the host, but be honest about it, it's not about creating a "safe space", it just icks them out.

I don't support pedo stuff, the vagueness and hypocrisy is just infuriating. Who is this protecting exactly, and is it worth harming "legitimate" artists over?

Submit a bulk of your work for inquirey, for clarification and malicious compliance purposes.

Roooooooolling my eyes because of course an extremely vague and subjective policy is now in place, for... reasons???

Smells like 'groomer-panic' all over to me, but eesh. :x

Do you happen to have IB?

I have one but it's just to save my name.
Unless there's a HUGE mass migration I probably will never use it. Cub makes me incredibly uncomfortable and that's what the site is "known for" despite the filters. So I'd rather it not be my main gallery.

I'd been following along with the discourse going on in the Discord (hah) since the original thread was created and it's honestly been a bit of a shitshow. Basically assuaged none of the real fears from the people discussing there and now the update dropped it's fanned the flames so much more. It really doesn't look like anybody is happy with it at this point.

I hate subscription services on principle so no FA+ to cancel to drop the bottom line, but it's real sad to see a site I've used in some form for over a decade drop the ball so hard. Even more so than some of than a lot of the other decisions they've made.

But for anybody else who reads this, I'm not sure I'd bother going to the discord thread now, they're planning on closing it at 12:00 AM (EST) on Wednesday and it doesn't look like they're gonna reverse the rule.