FA used damage control: It failed
2 years ago
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https://furaffinity.net/journal/10554708
Gotta love how in one sentence they're like "don't panic we didn't mean what you think we did" then in the next they be like "here's why we meant precisely what we did" only using different wording. Their update was clearly a kneejerk damage control reaction: They're in it up to their necks after this one, ain't gonna be no easy way to swim out of the poop pit they just jumped in.
The practical reality is simple: The admins are going to ban artists if they personally dislike the art style in which they draw their characters. Maybe some are even telling themselves "that's not what it's about" in their own minds, yet that's precisely what it will be in practice. The rule is meant to give every moderator leeway to remove submissions and suspend creators as they see fit, or more accurately based on who they personally consider is worthy of still being a creator on this platform. By its nature the new rule can't be enforced on anything concrete and universally agreeable, you can't have an anatomy or proportion guide describing what will count... it's meant to be enforced solely on the personal impressions of some admins, no one can even know for sure if they're breaking it or not!
A few months ago I was almost permanently banned for making an innocent joke: I was downright told my submission broke a rule it didn't have anything to do with! I appealed and got my suspension overturned, but without any apology or correction or my submission being reinstated. So to anyone who imagines "don't worry if there's a mistake we'll just appeal and solve it" sorry but no; At best you'll be unsuspended a few day sooner... if the way you draw anatomy since you learned art is considered unwoke, your submissions will remain forbidden and you'll be banned if you don't relearn how to draw to the admins liking.
Correction: What I actually mean is any one moderator not liking it. Because all it will take is one banning you for your art style, the verdict of "never post this again" will remain no matter the appeal. Even in a very optimist scenario one mod may say "sorry we made a mistake you can keep posting this style" then weeks / months / years later another mod comes and says "hey this isn't allowed and since you were banned for it in the past we'll presume you're acting in ill intent" since they likely aren't going to keep track of or care what you discussed with another mod in the past.
Oh yes: And let us not forget the army of users currently waiting in a trance of hatred to start spamming reports on every gallery they can think of using the new rule. The admins will be flooded, forced to make quick decisions, and since "bad man everywhere, must catch bad man" is their programming the decision will surely be to remove everything first. No matter how you put it FA is about to start griefing most of its creators and deleting itself out of existence in the process.
Gotta love how in one sentence they're like "don't panic we didn't mean what you think we did" then in the next they be like "here's why we meant precisely what we did" only using different wording. Their update was clearly a kneejerk damage control reaction: They're in it up to their necks after this one, ain't gonna be no easy way to swim out of the poop pit they just jumped in.
The practical reality is simple: The admins are going to ban artists if they personally dislike the art style in which they draw their characters. Maybe some are even telling themselves "that's not what it's about" in their own minds, yet that's precisely what it will be in practice. The rule is meant to give every moderator leeway to remove submissions and suspend creators as they see fit, or more accurately based on who they personally consider is worthy of still being a creator on this platform. By its nature the new rule can't be enforced on anything concrete and universally agreeable, you can't have an anatomy or proportion guide describing what will count... it's meant to be enforced solely on the personal impressions of some admins, no one can even know for sure if they're breaking it or not!
A few months ago I was almost permanently banned for making an innocent joke: I was downright told my submission broke a rule it didn't have anything to do with! I appealed and got my suspension overturned, but without any apology or correction or my submission being reinstated. So to anyone who imagines "don't worry if there's a mistake we'll just appeal and solve it" sorry but no; At best you'll be unsuspended a few day sooner... if the way you draw anatomy since you learned art is considered unwoke, your submissions will remain forbidden and you'll be banned if you don't relearn how to draw to the admins liking.
Correction: What I actually mean is any one moderator not liking it. Because all it will take is one banning you for your art style, the verdict of "never post this again" will remain no matter the appeal. Even in a very optimist scenario one mod may say "sorry we made a mistake you can keep posting this style" then weeks / months / years later another mod comes and says "hey this isn't allowed and since you were banned for it in the past we'll presume you're acting in ill intent" since they likely aren't going to keep track of or care what you discussed with another mod in the past.
Oh yes: And let us not forget the army of users currently waiting in a trance of hatred to start spamming reports on every gallery they can think of using the new rule. The admins will be flooded, forced to make quick decisions, and since "bad man everywhere, must catch bad man" is their programming the decision will surely be to remove everything first. No matter how you put it FA is about to start griefing most of its creators and deleting itself out of existence in the process.
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I've seen you too often on other people's journals and you need to just shut the fuck up. The real crime is you haven't been permabanned yet: JUST LEAVE FA ALREADY AND STOP ACTING LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IS A SNOWFLAKE WHILE YOU'RE THE BIGGEST ONE OF ALL!
And you certainly weren't talking about any kind of art.
What rights are they fighting for, Mircea?
None of what you have to say has any merit, and the only impact it has is fueling the continuing aura of ass backwards lunacy you project 24/7. Leave everything, you absolute wretch. I hope your sick "ideology" dies in the dust.
When you barged into our lives demanding to control what I'm even allowed to think or create in what was supposed to be some kind of free society, you declared war. Even in Ukraine things like dirty bombs are used: You brought it to this level, I did what I had to in order to defend myself from a behavior posing a risk to everyone... as was once again proven by FA with its latest change, just the latest example of what I had to fight to stop, because sorry for having the awareness to have seen this stuff coming years ahead of time.
I'm rationally aware that child sexual abuse exists and is a horrible crime, I'm sorry for everyone who had to deal with that and more. I was among those lucky not to; I only dealt with a degree of violence in my family and especially at school in the form of bullying. Do you see me lose my mind whenever someone makes a drawing of a child being hit because of it? Do you see me making everything in this world about abuse and injecting my irrational activism about it everywhere? Do you see me using that as an "I was a victim" badge of honor to get special treatment for it? No, because I understand what it means to be rational respect a principle leave others alone and when something has its place!
An actual apology from me you are not getting: I can't apologize for defending myself from mindsets and actions that pose a risk. Want the closest thing? Okay: I regret that it had to be this way... knowing this could have all been fucking avoided if you just left me the hell alone to live my life and at least create content without trying to control me worse than bunch of desperate Satanists! All it would have taken was a minimal dose of reason, maybe I would have understood... far too late now to right the deep wrongs, maybe by some miracle.
Wonder if you and yours are going to regret anything too. Like if you actually understand I could have been a nice and rational person, still on your side, if only you didn't cross the line and do unacceptable things like violating others autonomy of thought. I was 100% progressive liberal until a few years ago, only diverged when you started persecuting people for no reason and embracing horrible ideas. Have fun blaming me if it makes coping easier, I think deep inside at least some doing this are figuring it out but have a hard time turning back.
I am not talking about art. My question is not about art. I am asking you why you said that real-life pedophiles should "fight for their rights". You made it clear you weren't referring to art in that regard.
Explain that point. If you again re-direct the conversation, it'll be immensely obvious where your stance lies.
Now: What I believe I'd have been referring to in your statement, was my surprise that people who have the sexual attraction classified as being a pedophile (NOT the act of committing rape) accept to be treated and discriminated in as horrible of a way as what I was seeing. The vast majority of messages you'll find on the subject are "you should be tortured / you should be castrated / you should be executed"... again directed even toward people who were merely born feeling what may technically be a commonplace attraction. I'm sorry but that is not normal or how anything resembling a modern civilization looks like: People who can have such hate and judgment toward anyone for who they are will happily do so toward anyone else, it's something that has to be opposed in and of itself... I did it at large to avoid the risk of this tribalism spreading to other communities that can be misunderstood.
As I said I'm willing to accept I may not understand certain things myself, as I was lucky to never deal with something like CSA. Then again I know people who did experience it and have the same take as me, also ones who didn't but share the mob's extreme mindset. It's clear there is a big cultural divide and difference in how me and the mainstream understand reality or what sexuality is, the difference still baffles me really.
Like I legitimately don't get what the big deal is... on things like a kid merely watching some harmless porn, someone drawing NSFW content of fictional child characters, etc: My brain literally doesn't comprehend how that is even a problem. I mean okay, I can agree children shouldn't do certain things in real life at a young age... in all honesty I don't know how damaging even that truly is, I don't trust the mob's yelling as a source of documentation on anything, but if so many people are losing their shit at the thought there's probably a risk that shouldn't be taken lightly.
But all the other shit just no: If a child watches an action film or plays shooter games, do we assume they're going to become a mass shooter? If a child sees a film about another child driving a car, do you presume he's going to steal dad's automobile and cause a pileup on the freeway? Yet if either a real child watches a sexual drawing, or adults portray a fictional child in one... it's the apocalypse it's like the real thing has happened and on par with raping real children! That mindset right there... if that didn't exist and kept being pushed on us everywhere, I would surely not be here arguing about any of this, we'd all be having a nice and normal time.
You were defending MAPs, people who expressively want to have sex with real-life children.
If someone is afflicted with a disorder such as pedophilia, and haven't committed any crimes, then I agree, they should be able to get treatment for it. Whether they are afflicted with it through bad luck, or abuse, doesn't matter, it wasn't their fault they ended up with such a disorder.
What does matter is when people such as MAPs refuse to accept that their mental disorder is a disorder, and insist that pedophilia is a sexual orientation. And due to such an orientation being "normal", then their child abuse should be allowed unabated.
And you defended them for that, saying they were "fighting for their rights". You were not talking about art. You were talking about pedophiles wanting to fuck children, and how such a thing is apparently within the purview of your ultra-libertarian worldview.
I'm not engaging with you anymore, because it's very clear that your behavior and approach to discussing these things is rooted in something hideous.
Spread the word. Mircea wants rights for pedos, not freedom of expression. Make sure everyone on FA knows this and does the right thing.
No really what more can you possibly want: This has taken over the entire world to impose absurd hate and paranoia, people now need to justify the style they draw their art in to appease this madness, is that not enough for the majesties to feel safe from the magical boogeyman? Or will you not be happy unless I wear a helmet that lets you read and change my thoughts because it's the only way you can possibly "feel safe" from whatever you computed is out to get you!?