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Lets talk about the new Policy! YAY
2 years ago
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Would you look at that, ANOTHER journal discussing an artists opinion on the new FA policy!
How bold and fresh and totally unexpected!
Seriously though, fa needs to rethink this.
Falsely accusing half of the nsfw artists on the site of drawing child porn, just to please a few puritanical "sfw or die" furs, is not a good move for the fandom.
I'll be going through my gallery later this week and removing any art with questionably cute or stylized anatomy.
Even though I can guarantee nothing in my gallery is meant to depict underage characters.
But Fa is basically my entire livelihood, and even if I disagree with this draconian policy, i can't risk getting banned over it :/
What are your opinions on the change?
How bold and fresh and totally unexpected!
Seriously though, fa needs to rethink this.
Falsely accusing half of the nsfw artists on the site of drawing child porn, just to please a few puritanical "sfw or die" furs, is not a good move for the fandom.
I'll be going through my gallery later this week and removing any art with questionably cute or stylized anatomy.
Even though I can guarantee nothing in my gallery is meant to depict underage characters.
But Fa is basically my entire livelihood, and even if I disagree with this draconian policy, i can't risk getting banned over it :/
What are your opinions on the change?
Like, in a worst-case scenario, then okay, these knee-jerk reactions work out. But in every-other-case scenario, those folks are now stuck starting from scratch anyway. I get the fear of the unknown, I really do - and given this is so many peoples' livelihoods, that just makes the anxiety even worse - but until we learn more, the safest and smartest thing to do is to just wait. It sucks, of course, but it can't be helped.
"Now you've come out with a new book. Capitalist Punishment: How Wall Street uses your money to create a country you didn't vote for. What's that mean?"
"In one way it's a really narrow niche issue, but in another way a really fundamental issue. Which is the rise of ESG and stakeholder capitalism in capital markets."
"ESG is Environmental, Social, and Governance."
"Yes, it's a non grammatical amalgamation."
"Sounds good."
"I mean, it sounds fine. It's three letters amalgamated together. It's designed to sound boring for a reason. So what's going on is there is a range of agendas espoused by one end of the political spectrum. Saying that we need to cut carbon emissions to fight climate change, that we need to use racial quotas in the boardrooms to make up for our past sins of slavery and systemic racism in the United States. But the public doesn't want to vote for a lot of those policies. I have to admit I'm part of the public that would not vote for those policies. So what the government realised is if we can't get it done through the front door, we'll just use the private sector through the back door to advance those same objectives. So what's happened in this country is that the largest financial institutions, let's just take the three largest asset managers: Black Rock, Sate Street, and Vanguard. They've aggregated the money of everyday citizens."
"Pension money..."
"Pension money, 401K accounts, brokerage accounts, the money of everyday citizens to advance these one sided progressive political agendas, environmental agendas, social agendas. That's what they call them, Environmental, Social, and Governance, that most of those everyday Americans do not agree with and which crucially do not advance their best financial interests. That's a breach of fiduciary duty."
"Most Americans agree that we should have a clean environment and we should be socially kind."
"Well, I think that they agree with that in our body politic, but we've got to sort that out where every person's voice and vote counts equally in deciding how we get there. What they don't want is their retirement dollars to be used to tell a company to adopt an agenda that makes that company less successful at delivering profit, which is why they were invested in the stock market or in those companies in the first place. So we have different mechanisms to do different things in our country. We have a beautiful system set up to say capitalism is a space where we make things. We provide products and services for people who need them. It's the best known system to mankind to lift people up from poverty. That's great, and then we've got this constitutional republic. Where we have a system for sorting out our political differences to decide how we, the people, are governed. We set up as we, the people, a system to do it, but what this stakeholder capitalism trend says is that actually the work of the constitutional republic is now done through the back door, through corporate boardrooms instead.
The dirty little trick at the heart of it is that they're using your money, our money, to actually do it. In many cases, without people even knowing it and so a big part of why I wrote that book was knowledge is the first step to empowerment. People ought to at least know how their money is being used, then they can actually be free to make the choice of whether they actually want it used that way."
"And you started your own investment fund that won't do that."
"Yeah, it's an investment firm. Strive: Asset Management. Started is last year, center of Ohio."
John Stossel interview with Vivek Ramaswamy
They even clarified they are looking for works that clearly depict minors, so as long as they aren't minors you should be fine.
And perhaps best not to threaten me.
actions speak louder than words
That is not at all accurate. Underage is more of an extremely major majority of Japanese art.
Minor fringe...?
It's not an embarrassment at all to perceive what I see as mostly pedo-fodder lately.
And if you're going to do that, please enlighten me on how I'm mistaken. Take a good look at various anime-scheduling sites and prove me wrong.
That said, some folks have reacted so extremely that I just wish everyone could reel themselves in a little. I understand the anxiety of not-knowing, but with how little information is out there, the best thing anyone can do right now is wait for clarification and then go from there.
I mentioned it in a reply up above, but what I mean is that a lot of people are already blanking their galleries or hitting the self-destruct button. Giving friends and followers a heads-up is one thing, but torching the account and running just means that they're gonna have to start from scratch. In the worst-case scenario, that's fine, but in any other scenario, not so much. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face, and all that.
And like, I'm sympathetic to folks who are jumping the gun, I really am. I just don't want folks to get so whipped up that they do something they'll end up regretting.
Like again, I get it, but it still seems hasty. We had hints and conflicting info about Tumblr's NSFW ban, too, but the exodus didn't truly start until they officially announced it. This is a similar situation in my eyes. Aside from the fact that the staff in this case are complete nitwits, I mean. :v
https://twitter.com/furaffinity/sta.....Si9CQ&s=19
And Lucario's proportional to a preteen.
Never forget to read between the lines.
Good idea to close the "1000 year old loli loophole"
Bad idea to throw a vague blanket over every short or feral character and basically declare that all those artists are pedophiles.
Honestly this doesn't really affect me too much, but I'm against censorship in any form.
So i definitely needed to say my peice. (didn't expect this many replies to the journal tho lol)
everyone else in my gallery seems to be so thought i'd ask if it was on the table
This. Was. Never. About. Protecting. Children.
Way to put all our minds at ease with that clarification post FA!
Yikes.
What the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck fa
I'm from the EU so I'm pretty ignorant to the US laws, but judging by all this mess I'll assume those laws are about just as vague as the rules FA implemented. From what I'm seeing, politicians responsible for those laws aren't very competent :/
Oh well, I'm already preparing to move on somewhere else's. All good things must come to an end, I suppose.
Oh your character Is a short stack she's a child
Oh your character had a/b cups she's a child
I get the need to deal with childnporn is a big issue but there is a right and wrong way about this. I've heard that some artists have had to purge 200 pictures due to under the new rules it was ruled as child like body
Like i get the idea and the intentions, but rather than approach the subject of -mons and aging with nuance due to the complexity of relationship between evolution and age (or specifically the complete lack of such relationship in most cases), they just try to blindly expand the previous discriminator. And it is already bringing major headaches.
Take for example: Renamon.
Renamons are a mainstay and almost by default treated as aged, but reality is that they ARE still rookies in state, design and appearance, they are just taller than the rest and by FA's Logic: They technically would also be targeted. BUT they are suspiciously absent from the list of examples...
What kind of answer would they have to that??? Either you show selectiveness in your discrimination, or you ban essentially one of the core characters of the fandom.
Like, supposedly the rule's supposed to help solve the issues of underage-in-NSFW/cub art/etc etc... but it also has a bunch of carefully-written caveats that let the stuff slip under the radar anyway (caveats that seem suspiciously tailored to certain preferences, at that). Meanwhile, the majority of people who'll actually be affected are non-anthro folks - horny Mystery Dungeon artists, for instance.
The rule's operating on a veeery narrow idea of what "cub art" actually entails - they don't mention "rookie Digimon" specifically in the rule, just the ones that look cub-like - which is probably because the rule itself is over a decade old. And because it's so old and narrow, it won't have any substantial effects on the problem. Sure, it might weed out some bad apples here and there, but those instances are all going to be flukes.
"The problem i see is that they are expanding the rule to apply a discriminator that makes sense in regards of application onto humanoids, onto creatures that are so insanely diverse in appearance and have such a foundational disregard to such logic for the most part. that it doesn't really make that much sense."
I suppose similiar with your observation. Though i'm more approaching it out of just trying to copy-paste a rule unto something that does not adhere to it, than from a outdated descriptor. In my more expansive oppinion journal. I liken this to using a Sledgehammer to hammer a tiny nail that will indeed cause more harm to random artists, than actually strike at the intended bunch that are obviously bypassing on technicalities.
It's clear 'neer has been trying to use furry as an activistic group for years now, and if he has a bunch of titties and dicks everywhere it looks alot less activisty, so they're trying to 'clean up the image' and slowly weed out the nsfw stuff.
Before someone scoffs: here's a little proof from someone who was here back when FA was started on a different account, because i wanted a name change and couldn't get one without making a new account. At that time? Furry was still acknowledge as a KINK AND A FETISH. as it was and is. While people now try to claim it's not, furry is a literal fetish. There are examples of it back even to the times of kings and before, of people getting turned on by animal/human hybrids.
When it started on the internet, that was literally what it was about. Even now that is what 90% of people are in the fandom for. But for """some reason""" in the modern era, "popular and important individuals" in the furry community have been changing to claiming "furry" is a "feeling" rather than a fetish.
This is to pull people in who aren't fetishizing, primarily under-age individuals, and they can't be around nsfw stuff. Thusly, nsfw will eventually be weeded out. Just wait for it.
The new policy is their way of weeding out more but going 'well, child porn is EVIL right? so when we include this stuff in our anti-child-porn ruling, if you argue against it, that would mean you want child porn, right?!'
At least that's the way it's supposed to be in the US, but things are... complex right now.
Their original excuse for removing the child porn wasn't even the law. I remember. It was paypal. They claimed 'paypal won't cover a site which allows elicit material such as cub porn', this has been a recurring excuse for multiple rules the site has went through (which is funny, seeing as paypal keeps attacking artists, yet mysteriously has yet to drop FA altogether. Which i would argue indicates it's been a lie all this time that paypal was threatening anything against the site itself).
The anti-pedophilia rules were in place for around a decade or more at this point. This was them adding to it (and at the same time, claiming 'we didn't change the rules' even though it's literally changing the rule to include more things).
The """clarification""" claims that if they gave us an extensive list, it would be thousands of pokemon/digimon that are banned. Plural, as in, a minimum of 2k if we're really stretching how low we consider something to involve "thousands" with an S.
After doing the math, there is only a total of 2,473 pokemon and digimon in total. as in. together.
This would mean, if we take them at their word, literally less than 500 pokemon and digimon IN TOTAL are now safe options.
The admins/mods doing their job properly and taking the time to uphold the new rules without letting reports turn into immature witch hunts because "I dislike this artist, so I'm going to report them!" ?
That does me a concern right there.
I've had a few people who don't like me report me for things, and even though I had evidence to back up my claims, I never won. It honestly felt like no one even bothered to look at the screenshots I gave them. I once took a break from FA for a few months due to life and came back to find my account was suspended for a month because apparently something in my gallery went against the NEW ToS, and someone reported it lol