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2 years ago
So there's a lot of talk so I guess I'll say my piece.
- None of this affects me. So personally I do not care. I've seen people screaming about how things like Pokemon are banned. It's not, it is Pokemon and Digimon with a childlike or adolescent body. You just don't make things look like a kid, age it up if you have to, that's all. I can understand how that can be a challenge for some but that's just the situation.
- FA's biggest issue is immediately suspending accounts before even telling the artists what they did wrong. The mods do not even give an artist time to remove the offending content, just immediately slap a 30 day ban. That's horrible and makes people leave your platform. Give people a chance to fix their mistake then suspend them if they fail to in a certain time. Even Deviantart allows this, holy shit.
- A lot of these rules are not new and have always been around. It's just added clarification though some of the clarification is a bit awkward. Like.... For most, vore is a fetish. Writing it off as not one is just weird when you say vore with minors is okay. Like....really?
- I do sincerely believe that the mods need to re-examine the rules, the way they word it and their way of punishment and rethink it. FA is a pretty nice place but stuff like this is just a pretty bad look. I still stand by the biggest offense is the overly hard punishment with zero warning until after the fact.
Tl;dr:
- Many rules are not even new, just worded differently and awkward. It also comes off very hypocritical.
- The biggest issue is FA's hard handed handling of punishment with no warning. Like just give a damn warning first.
- Most people freaking out will be fine. Not saying there isn't issues, there are absolutely.
- This is just my opinion. I normally do not even bother with most drama because it's a waste of my time. But this could have been done better on FA's part. If you can't be clear, hire someone to proofread your rules first.
- None of this affects me. So personally I do not care. I've seen people screaming about how things like Pokemon are banned. It's not, it is Pokemon and Digimon with a childlike or adolescent body. You just don't make things look like a kid, age it up if you have to, that's all. I can understand how that can be a challenge for some but that's just the situation.
- FA's biggest issue is immediately suspending accounts before even telling the artists what they did wrong. The mods do not even give an artist time to remove the offending content, just immediately slap a 30 day ban. That's horrible and makes people leave your platform. Give people a chance to fix their mistake then suspend them if they fail to in a certain time. Even Deviantart allows this, holy shit.
- A lot of these rules are not new and have always been around. It's just added clarification though some of the clarification is a bit awkward. Like.... For most, vore is a fetish. Writing it off as not one is just weird when you say vore with minors is okay. Like....really?
- I do sincerely believe that the mods need to re-examine the rules, the way they word it and their way of punishment and rethink it. FA is a pretty nice place but stuff like this is just a pretty bad look. I still stand by the biggest offense is the overly hard punishment with zero warning until after the fact.
Tl;dr:
- Many rules are not even new, just worded differently and awkward. It also comes off very hypocritical.
- The biggest issue is FA's hard handed handling of punishment with no warning. Like just give a damn warning first.
- Most people freaking out will be fine. Not saying there isn't issues, there are absolutely.
- This is just my opinion. I normally do not even bother with most drama because it's a waste of my time. But this could have been done better on FA's part. If you can't be clear, hire someone to proofread your rules first.
You say this, but you have also missed a ton of information on what the actual problem has been regarding their standards. Or you chose to omit it.
Either way, you can be neutral without side-mouth insulting those of us who have valid reasons to be angry.
I'm not saying they are clean, but a lot of this isn't new.
Likewise the new additions to the old rules are speculative, arbitrary, and baseless. Which is a problem in and of itself. Riolu is not a child. Eevee is not a child. If we're considering on model porn of them to be CP now, then that could be extended to most feral adult work across the board. Not to mention the rampant in-staff ignorance on how Poke'mon actually function, and how this is all based purely on appearance and not substance.
I spent the last three days witnessing and sharing evidence of disingenuous intentions on the part of the staff. It's not as cut and dry as, "states right there." That's putting a lot of faith in the front facing expression of authority.
I've been here just as long as you have and I have seen everything along the way too. I have been diplomatic, but this time; no. They are in the wrong. Within their rights, but in the wrong.
It's why I always have myself all over the place because you never know when you're at risk.
I stand by my core issue being the staff and harshly punishing people with zero warning. That is super messed up and your post only amplifies that point. I do believe people are over exaggerating with these rules but I simultaneously believe there is a huge issue with the staff and their handling of things. My post could have been worded better but I'm just tired of people messaging me like FA is gonna die or I'm at risk and all this chaos. Its not my intention to come out antagonistic. Apologies if it seemed that way.
I can't speak for people pestering you, that's not a good way to gain somebody for sure. I do caution that it probably wont end with this. They'd have to make a pretty big apology to win me back, and I am sure many others who left. Chances are greater they'll just start another fire later on down and keep banning more arbitrary things.
The tone may have been partially in my reading, as I am definitely not feeling happy nor content tonight. Emotionally drained, irritated, and tired. So I apologize as well for what it's worth.
This is how bad it is. I may have been struggling with my art, but I smell bullshit to their "justifications".
I don't think FA is going to change so thank you for uploading your work to other sites as well so they don't get lost.
Even if it doesn't affect me, I still keep my awareness because I don't trust any site I'm on. They can change the rules in an instant and it can affect me.
That's very smart! All it takes is a mod to decide they are against the rules, whether they actually are or not. Again, really appreciate you uploading your artwork elsewhere because you've done fantastic scenes and excellent character designs and it'd be a great shame if they all suddenly disappeared.
I may be not taking this current FA rule thing seriously but it doesn't mean I fully trust the mods.
Calling people out for not reading when you yourself seem to be uh, not reading isn't the best look sui.
There's a reason I'm not an artist because such a rule would make me have to give up due to lack of creativity in 'just don't make it look young' for designs that are ambiguous to begin with.
My greatest concern is for the artists that aren't breaking rules but get hit with no warning. Its why I feel it's the biggest issue.
It's part of the reason I'm in the crowd throwing a fit over the "it's X pokemon, it MUST be aged up" Because there's no definition to aged up. Is it size, is it how mature it looks, does it have to have genitals, is it just being cute or not cute? Such things need to be as hard defined as possible but of course FA did FA things and decided to only clarify in a way that gives questions rather than answers.
I know they clarified that pony isn't included in the concern but even that leads to further questions about what does or doesn't count.
Many artist friends lost their accounts because FA jumped the gun and refused to work with them.
A lot of people seem to have forgotten when that happened. I still hold that massively over FA because that's sheer incompetence. That's why this isn't new to me, it's been this way for 2 years, people forgot.
Yes, this the primary problem.
Then there's the fact that not even a week ago they specifically said "there is no list of species we will take action on", which technically is a lie even if I agree people shouldn't make their characters look like cubs anyway, but it all comes down to how they determine what does and doesn't look like one.
So the rules are more or less clear, what's upsetting is their way of applying them being very inconsistent and their double standards when it comes to some stuff (like minors being allowed in vore for whatever reason).
As for people getting offended about cub stuff being "more banned", well it's not like they will be missed so good riddance.
Doubt it will be enough still but more enforcement of that stuff is good as long as it's done intelligently and consistently, so not the way they're handling it right now for the most part.
Keep in mind that FA allowed that same cub to have a nightmare where her big sister was cremated alive in graphic fashion, her Boyfriend (same age as her btw, nothing sexual as her big sister would have tried to kick him) having his head stomped on to the point it burst like an overripe melon, and then the nightmare ending with her getting Decapitated and having her severed head paraded around as it drips with fresh blood!
Yeah, these "Enforcement of da Rules" are not going to be a good thing.
So while I agree having graphical depictions of minors being torn apart shouldn't be allowed and the rules/tag system for gore stuff should be looked at and improved (as well as the fact vore is a sexual kin kand should be treated as such), you're seriously missing the point if you think people are arguing about that part of the rules and think it should be allowed.
The part about minors being allowed in vore is hypocritical for sure but it does in no way justify NSFW or lewd cub content being okay in any way whatsoever, and if you argue that "if they allow minors in vore then I should be able to have that" then you're just as hypocritical.
Well, when you start losing your favorite artwork because some FA Moderator wants more of their stuff, don't come crying to me... Then again, you won't be able to, considering how you quell behind a block and shove your hands over your ears and shriek back at others who actually have reason to worry.
That's not banning certain Pokemon, just the way it is drawn. Up to the artists to not cross that line basically
But at the same time it's not surprising at all... 😑
A comic artist I like had to change his comic pages several times because he kept getting Struck by the Admins for having "Flirty Dialogue between two pups" on a single page... That would have gone nowhere.
The same mods allowed a page where the same Cub in question had a graphic nightmare involving her Big Sister being incinerated, her Boyfriend having his head popped like a zit, and the cub in question being decapitated and her severed head paraded about.
I have learned to not Trust what the admins claim. They are two-faced liars.
I'm not saying FA's handling of this is great, but the sheer number of people taking issue with what really should be the lowest of low bars is kinda gross.
Also, if you had been paying attention, look at the rules again. They didn't put CUB/MINOR VORE as a Strikable Offense. This paints a rather grim picture.
I just wish they would put a tag for shortstacks or chibi in the submission page to avoid the confusion.
Or they could ask for suggestions from the userbase at least. I'm sure people here can offer good ideas.
It doesn't explicitly state if that means the new rules will only be applied as severe offences to art posted AFTER the 90 days are over, or ALL art in the users' galleries.
Like, should people be panic-deleting their art? Nobody knows.
Also not fetishizing children, but then throwing them into the vore/transformation bin as being "oh, this is fine" is absolutely hilarious, in the saddest possible way.
Gotta protect your interests, right?
The vore thing is just bad. I don't know what they were thinking. It's just weird.
This is ALL up to their discretion.
If they DECIDE a shortstack you drew, or random "aged up" character doesn't fit the bill, or a mod just doesnt like you, it gets the axe.
There is history of this.
Over, and over, and over.
Tho generally it seems the main thing isn't the admins going after you but rather you getting reported by an asshat that doesn't like you.
People on DA abuse the report feature constantly to take down artists they don't like and the admins allow it. It is unfortunate that seems to be a problem here too.
The primary issue is not the supposed intention of the rule, it's the fact that what's considered in violation of it is almost entirely up to moderator discretion. FA staff has proven time and time again that some of them cannot be trusted to make rational decisions on subjective things like this, as is evidenced by all the people already being unjustly punished. All it takes is one mod to not like your art and claim it's childlike. And a support ticket often won't help if it's just reviewed by the same mod.
And that's not to mention the ridiculous and inconsistent things the official staff members have been saying on discord, like that nonsense "head to body ratio" diagram and the now infamous "Mew is an embryo" comment.
At the end of the day, the way this update to the rules is being enforced is grossly inconsistent, biased, and unprofessional. Even if it doesn't affect me, and even if it doesn't affect you, it still wrongly affects many people and that's not okay.
I'm not saying all responsibility lies on just the artist but at the same time if you're drawing nsfw and it does come looking close to that, you might need to evaluate your style because this is not the only site that has rules like this.
I'm aware it affects people but I'm also aware A LOT of artists teeter on that line intentionally.
I don't know, it's getting to be tough to find websites where content can be posted regardless of what it contains. I don't know that's just me.
My currently girlfriend has been upset about this, because RL she's barely even 5ft tall, and despite being 36 years old, she still looks the size of a teenager. I dunno man, it's crazy how people can't judge reality, from fiction, let alone clearly go over existing rules but keep adding on new ones that conflict with so many things.
I once went a few months without posting because life was busy. I randomly checked back to find out my account was currently suspended for a month because something in my gallery was now against the NEW ToS. I was like "Wut? No warning? Lol"
But yeah, I legit do not like this whole "give no warning" thing FA does.
CP is bad because its abusive, exploitative, and inherently nonconsentual... It's disgusting and highly immoral for those reasons, it has nothing to do with appearance.
A known adult with child like proportions depicted in a sexual scenario is fine, weird, maybe even gross, but... Fine by definition. A known child with adult proportions being depicted in such a scenario though. Wtf. That's not okay. Banbanban
Ultimately I'm unaffected. But only caring about issues when they affect you specifically is short sighted, I suppose it's that thing about freedom of speech, how you gotta defend all forms of speech or risk losing yours later down the line. Already too late though. Internet has been on a puritanical spiral for years, don't even know why I even slightly care anymore, caring is exhausting.