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The new rules aimed towards Digimon are poorly thought out and don't apply well. This also applies to Pokemon (and various other species), but since most people will be championing for Pokemon, I'll focus more on the Digimon.
The FA moderation team has incorrectly listed Agumon, Veemon, Impmon, and Gatomon as child-like without listing reasons why, despite claiming there will be no species-wide bans previously. None of those Digimon are child-coded or even child proportioned. They are simply two small small lizards, an imp, and a cat in a cartoony style. If someone genuinely believes Agumon is a "child" I would like to point them to Commandramon. Commandramon is a clearly adult soldier Digimon that looks IDENTICAL to Agumon proportionally.
It feels like UP 2.7 was written by someone with insufficient knowledge of Pokemon or Digimon to make such an extreme call as to ban some of them and simply went on "vibes." While the "compromise" is to change the proportions of the mons, whoever suggested it doesn't realize that it just doesn't work. You cannot simply change the proportions of these Digimon. If you stretch out Impmon, it stops being an IMP. Also, if Impmon is banned, does this mean all imps and similarly proportioned creatures like goblins are banned? Impmon's proportions are similar to Midna, albeit she has more curves. Does that mean she is banned as well, despite her popularity?
Agumon, Veemon, Gatomon, and Impmon all share proportions with Animal Crossing characters. Does this mean that ALL Animal Crossing characters such as Isabelle are suddenly childlike in stature and need to be banned? Or Yoshi? Aggretsuko? Cult of the Lamb?
The line drawn is inconsistent and is targeting for a problem that just isn't there. What is the point of arbitrarily picking these popular characters that don't even fall under the 1000 vampire loli trope? They are simply just small and cute. There's only one Digimon I can think of that DOES invoke this trope and it's Lucemon, and only when he isn't in Falldown Mode or Satan Mode.
Pokemon, Digimon, and other monster races are simply NOT compatible with the way humans (and other animals) age and cannot be put into the same metric for judgement. This rule fundamentally doesn't understand how Pokemon and Digimon work and, whether intentional or not, UP 2.7 has called anyone who draws/commissions NSFW with the mons listed in it as fetishizing minors. It has also lead to harassment from people using UP 2.7 as an excuse to call those who are upset about it "pedophiles."
There is a reason why NO other NSFW furry artsite bans the posting of specific Pokemon or Digimon. Only FurryLife.Online banned certain Pokemon/Digimon/Ferals. They no longer exist because everyone left. This is the situation FA is in now. The mod team surely has seen the hundreds of journals of users leaving, the infinite trouble tickets, and the immense backlash on FA, Discord, and Twitter. Faith in the moderation team is at an all time low. As it stands, there's no way to push UP 2.7 through without tearing the userbase apart. It is fundamentally flawed at its CORE due to the moderation team focusing more on "solving a loophole" that didn't really exist instead of listening to what the userbase actually wants.
Ideally, now would be a good time to listen to users asking for it to be repealed and focus on rebuilding trust with the community. As a helpful starter, focusing efforts towards a tag blacklist would be far more helpful to the userbase as a whole than UP 2.7, as any user who feels uncomfortable with Pokemon/Digimon content (and honestly, it wouldn't be this. It would be FAR more extreme content) can simply filter it out. I've already suggested to a moderator to consider working alongside the developer of FilterAffinity when it comes to working on a blacklist.
The FA moderation team has incorrectly listed Agumon, Veemon, Impmon, and Gatomon as child-like without listing reasons why, despite claiming there will be no species-wide bans previously. None of those Digimon are child-coded or even child proportioned. They are simply two small small lizards, an imp, and a cat in a cartoony style. If someone genuinely believes Agumon is a "child" I would like to point them to Commandramon. Commandramon is a clearly adult soldier Digimon that looks IDENTICAL to Agumon proportionally.
It feels like UP 2.7 was written by someone with insufficient knowledge of Pokemon or Digimon to make such an extreme call as to ban some of them and simply went on "vibes." While the "compromise" is to change the proportions of the mons, whoever suggested it doesn't realize that it just doesn't work. You cannot simply change the proportions of these Digimon. If you stretch out Impmon, it stops being an IMP. Also, if Impmon is banned, does this mean all imps and similarly proportioned creatures like goblins are banned? Impmon's proportions are similar to Midna, albeit she has more curves. Does that mean she is banned as well, despite her popularity?
Agumon, Veemon, Gatomon, and Impmon all share proportions with Animal Crossing characters. Does this mean that ALL Animal Crossing characters such as Isabelle are suddenly childlike in stature and need to be banned? Or Yoshi? Aggretsuko? Cult of the Lamb?
The line drawn is inconsistent and is targeting for a problem that just isn't there. What is the point of arbitrarily picking these popular characters that don't even fall under the 1000 vampire loli trope? They are simply just small and cute. There's only one Digimon I can think of that DOES invoke this trope and it's Lucemon, and only when he isn't in Falldown Mode or Satan Mode.
Pokemon, Digimon, and other monster races are simply NOT compatible with the way humans (and other animals) age and cannot be put into the same metric for judgement. This rule fundamentally doesn't understand how Pokemon and Digimon work and, whether intentional or not, UP 2.7 has called anyone who draws/commissions NSFW with the mons listed in it as fetishizing minors. It has also lead to harassment from people using UP 2.7 as an excuse to call those who are upset about it "pedophiles."
There is a reason why NO other NSFW furry artsite bans the posting of specific Pokemon or Digimon. Only FurryLife.Online banned certain Pokemon/Digimon/Ferals. They no longer exist because everyone left. This is the situation FA is in now. The mod team surely has seen the hundreds of journals of users leaving, the infinite trouble tickets, and the immense backlash on FA, Discord, and Twitter. Faith in the moderation team is at an all time low. As it stands, there's no way to push UP 2.7 through without tearing the userbase apart. It is fundamentally flawed at its CORE due to the moderation team focusing more on "solving a loophole" that didn't really exist instead of listening to what the userbase actually wants.
Ideally, now would be a good time to listen to users asking for it to be repealed and focus on rebuilding trust with the community. As a helpful starter, focusing efforts towards a tag blacklist would be far more helpful to the userbase as a whole than UP 2.7, as any user who feels uncomfortable with Pokemon/Digimon content (and honestly, it wouldn't be this. It would be FAR more extreme content) can simply filter it out. I've already suggested to a moderator to consider working alongside the developer of FilterAffinity when it comes to working on a blacklist.
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