I tried to talk with them btw but ugly bitches/bastards were too coward to give their point of view and blocked me, so I didn’t get educated.

This is rather typical for that group. They're self proclaimed ""Conflict Adverse"" and can't handle when someone goes 'I don't agree with that'.

the famed meme of the 'Harkness Test' is supposed to just be a joke but it's the only thing I've figured out to try and convey the difference of how consent and fantasy work together.

For the meanwhile I will just focus on making anthro NSFW, I wanna get educated and I am very open for opinions, but I also don’t want to focus on “problematic” content because they even aren’t my fetishes to fight for.

All I'd do is shrug. no matter what you do someone won't agree with it. people complain about furry stuff cause that is bestiality. people complain about nsfw cause it's objectifying

it's good to stick with out own moral and list to others, but remember some just wanna cause drama, think they are right, and don't care about others

Thank you! While I always try to see things from the other side but they prefer to create drama because is the only attention they get since they aren’t good at art or even having conversations.


But I feel people who create problematic content would stop do it if they have the opportunity to understand how is wrong.

"But I feel people who create problematic content would stop do it if they have the opportunity to understand how is wrong."

The issue ends up being "who decides whats right and whats wrong" on a lot of things.

But there are certain limits and morals that should just not be crossed (RL bestiality, RL CP, and RL R&pe being the big ones). But do not punish people for their fantasies that they will never EVER act on in Real Life simply because of a few assholes. (my opinion)

For me, the issue starts when there's a real world analogue. Children exist in real life, so I would say that drawing cub art for example is terrible. Talking dragons don't exist, dinosaurs are long gone, and pokemon aren't real. I agree when you mentioned dragons in media are often shown to be extremely intelligent, on par or exceeding that of humans. I've never really seen HTTYD, but I vaguely understand the more animal-like intelligence of the dragons in that IP and can see why that might be a problem. That's my "quick" overview. After that point, it also matters to me the sentience of the character, and whether it's a non-personified animal, or a sort of "Disney" animal. Talking dog that's a real breed? Acceptable, to a point.

Ultimately, people that have an issue with feral nsfw I think are mostly young zoomers 18-21 that want to feel virtuous, so they go after the low hanging fruit that is small feral communities. I say this as a zoomer myself too lol. I've seen how this escalates from "Feral animal NSFW bad > Feral dragon NSFW bad > Anthro animal NSFW bad > Literally any character with animal-like parts in NSFW (maw, paw, ears, etc.) bad." So I'm a little hesitant to give an inch to people like that, else they might try to take a mile, y'know? Also important to note that this drama has been ongoing for a looooong time in the furry community. It definitely ain't new, and it'll probably continue to boil forever.

To answer your big main question, I know myself better than anyone. I know for a fact, any feral nsfw content I partake in will never evolve into something worse for me. I guess it's up to you to draw the line. Everyone does it differently. Some people know the safe place to draw that line for them, some people don't, and others refuse to let individuals draw that line for themselves.

Man, Puriteens are insufferable. I get it sometimes for liking TOONY PAWS. Sorry you had to deal with drama like this.

Puriteens is a really clever term, I like that lol

All i can do is loooong siiiiiiggghhhhhh and just remember the harkness test exists

It’s so brain dead simple

Some people are just overly sensitive to everything and love jumping jumping to conclusions.
It use to just be non furries yelling that all furry art makes furries zoos to our great annoyance.

Now there is lots of in fighting in the fandom with younger users splitting into groups yelling that
-All feral characters is zoo
- Only real animal feral art is zoo
- Anthro characters with feral nfsw parts is zoo

to my even greater annoyance. Thought it is always funny when the groups attack each other Like when the ''Anthro characters with feral nfsw parts is zoo'' attack the ''All feral characters is zoo'' users when they have anthro characters with correct animal parts.


I think its all just toxic and a zoo is someone who likes that stuff with real animals and not just art of people making intelligent animal characters.
But their reasoning is if you like it in fantasy you like in in real life, while ignoring things like gore and murder art as apparently that doesn't count since thats something many of them like ha.

Minors and newbies (or people easily influenced) always have hot takes on what's okay and what isn't. Calling people pedophilies and zoophiles are the go-to reactions of disgust from these people, because they either 1) haven't thought about the topic too hard, 2) don't want to think about it too hard, or 3) want people to be upset about to have some reason to group with others or gain attention.

Sometimes it's all three!
All you can do is say "zoophilia sucks; dragons are sapient" and ignore people who keep whining, I suppose.

personally i dont think there's anything wrong with nsfw fantasy creatures and even people personal feral characters that are obviously sentient. Its just kind of a shame that people dont seem to realize that things are no quite black and white and the human mind is more complex than they think.
Just cuz I play video games that might involve murdering someone else (hell think games like Dead by Daylight or even games like GTA) or committing crimes doesnt mean I'm going to go do that in the real world. And its funny cuz I've seen these same people draw things like gore and such but that apperantly doesnt count cuz 'fantasy' which ends up being hypocritical.
Granted I DO think there is a line that shouldnt be crossed. I had to stop feral nsfw entirely cuz even if its something that I didnt feel anything for (generally anything nsfw doesnt really do anything for me but idk im probably desensitized by now and I'm also demi) I would get the occassional "you're a zoo" accusations with their only proof being drawings :/
however i did also stop cuz there was some people that did reveal themselves to be actual zoo's (like I was even sent videos at one point a long time ago) and a few who were extremely obsessive with female dog genitals to the point it made me uncomfortable, I no longer wanted to draw it.

I'm rambling now tho and i forgot my point but still, to heck with puriteens, so long as you dont cross that line from fantasy to doing anything in reality, i think you're fine.

There are certain individuals that no matter what you do will always hate you for what you like/do/are.
The only point at which Feral art should be worried about is when someone uses it as an excuse to do deplorable things in reality (which they 100% probably would have done anyway).
Honestly...The amount of people that WILLINGLY REFUSE to separate Fantasy content from Reality are just sad.

Feral/Quadruped haters come around like Summer in Florida, you know. Regardless of if we want them to or not. I for one tend to just ignore or block them. Lifes too short to deal with it~

Though, for an artist who draws quads.. I can see how it's more of an issue for certain. Sorry you gotta deal with it.

Also to clarify, I know my kinks and inclinations -- Well, most of them, do translate to RL. Beastiality does not.

People that block instead of argue their point or try and educate aren't worth worrying about. If they believe in their hearts that they are true they will stay and educate. Otherwise its just some coward standing on glass while they throw rocks. Fantasy is only a problem if you are bringing it into real life and influencing others negatively irl. Sick people will do sick things regardless if your art is feral/anthro or feral. I don't see every person that's played FPS games out shooting people. I don't see pokemon players out stealing peoples pets and animals from the forest. I get people have different views and upbringings. Saying something is bad without any understanding is just a one way fed view. May as well ask them if they play pokemon. How is it ethical to repeatedly breed a days old pokemon to get a shiny one. It's a game, as is fantasy. No different then saying if their sona/character has any animal likeness they're a zooph with a fixation they will bring into real life. They commenting on you for some kinda attention or a rise anyways. So sick of these hypocritical children that don't belong in the fandom

Clowns are gonna clown, usually if those types won’t leave you alone I’d just send the Harkness test and then block em

I miss the days when internet morality wasn't decided by literal goddamned children.

Aren't these parasites supposed to be back in school, by now?