How do you deal with feeling othered in the community?
2 years ago
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Edit - Thanks so much for your discussion of this topic, I don't...really have a lot to say in response but I have read all your comments- just a bit overwhelmed! I didn't expect this to resonate with so many people. Thank you!
Hey y'all- this is something that bothers me a lot and I wonder if anyone has found ways to combat it, or find peace with it.
A lot of the time I feel like the furry community really is not "for" me. Like... I'm here. And people appreciate that I make stuff. But it's not mine. I feel no ownership over my space here.
That feeling comes up a lot when I'm communicating with others, or reading funny furry posts and so often they are... well not about people like me. Or willfully exclude people like me.
I'm a cis woman, I've got a vagina and am feminine presenting and bisexual. I am fat, and in a long-term relationship.
So much stuff is like "haha wouldnt you like to put your dick in this" or just...focused entirely on situations, feelings or desires that I have no connection to. Or I see people praising "chubby" characters that...to me look nothing like me. That look thin...or average to me. The depictions of people like me that I DO see feel fetishistic, voyeuristic. Dishonest... a lot of the time.
Idk. I guess I just feel alone sometimes. And it sort of makes me mad, and sometimes I'll yell about it on twitter, in frustration. But usually I just push the feelings down and try to ignore them.
Does anyone else feel like this? How do you get past these feelings?
Hey y'all- this is something that bothers me a lot and I wonder if anyone has found ways to combat it, or find peace with it.
A lot of the time I feel like the furry community really is not "for" me. Like... I'm here. And people appreciate that I make stuff. But it's not mine. I feel no ownership over my space here.
That feeling comes up a lot when I'm communicating with others, or reading funny furry posts and so often they are... well not about people like me. Or willfully exclude people like me.
I'm a cis woman, I've got a vagina and am feminine presenting and bisexual. I am fat, and in a long-term relationship.
So much stuff is like "haha wouldnt you like to put your dick in this" or just...focused entirely on situations, feelings or desires that I have no connection to. Or I see people praising "chubby" characters that...to me look nothing like me. That look thin...or average to me. The depictions of people like me that I DO see feel fetishistic, voyeuristic. Dishonest... a lot of the time.
Idk. I guess I just feel alone sometimes. And it sort of makes me mad, and sometimes I'll yell about it on twitter, in frustration. But usually I just push the feelings down and try to ignore them.
Does anyone else feel like this? How do you get past these feelings?
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it is still culturally and aesthetically a predominantly male space, and creators and the businesses
according tend to pander to that demographic.
Even for cishet men out there, the concentration of sausage-minded indulgence in web public spaces
can be overwhelming and depressing: everyone seems to be talking about war, guns, debate bro politics,
violent video games, garage tech, computer tech, objectifying women and obsessing over the Roman Empire.
Childcare? Parenting? Zinger sewing? Gardening? Women-specific health issues? Cooking for family and self?
Art therapy? Accessibility software design? Feminist literature, ground-up activism and community organizing?
Introspection and self-care? Relationship psychology? Interior decoration and house-hunting? Beauty practices?
For all of these, one usually needs to apply to dedicated communities,
and searching for like-minded people can feel like trudging through a desert.
This is not to say: "Men do this, Women do that." -- interests, professions and passions can be sprinkled
indiscriminately between genders/sexes, and this issue affects nonbinaries and NGC men and just basic men,
even if to a lesser extent.
You may find it interesting to examine this list of artists who tend to depict fat characters respectfully.
Even if you don't find it useful, maybe the very fact that someone has been this dedicated to finding alternative
approaches to artwork would give you some sense of vindication and validation.
Cheers!
but i stick around despite not fitting in much because its the only community that celebrates anthropomorphism in any major sense. they might do this in fucked up ways and have a ton of rotten people in the community that feel obligated to be all that the Stereotype is...but that just makes me feel all the more obligated to stick around to show the world that yeah...we're not all like that ._. there are cis people here, there are women here, there are conservatives, there are people over 30, there are married people, there are people who dont treat the furry scene as a lifestyle, etc...
"furry" is a term that i wish didn't have such negative implications with such oddly specific stereotypes (to the point where i dont even like to use the term "furry" in real life conversations...) but meh, it is what it is. gotta make it your own and be a proud black sheep XD
As the adult oriented spaces and furry spaces ven diagram feels moreike a circle completely inside another, there is a lot of sexual and fetish oriented media. More often than not it's not about representation as it is featuring what someone finds attractive or fantasizes about. I know that most material is not "for me" in that regard.
The other part of my stance is that I don't hold these places that are art galleries as a real kind of social media. Discord servers and telegram channels are probably better geared towards smaller sub groups within the furry community, and seem better for building relationships.
"Furry" is a large and broad demographic, and if I were to compare it to a village, I live in a hut outside and occasionally wander in, especially when it comes to community interaction. I don't draw or write, and I've only commissioned twice, so I'm definitely not very participatory.
Finding those that feel the same within the fandom helped me connect more, and most creatives like artists and fursuit makers are women or afab folk that have similar experiences. Might be worth checking your mutual/local list of creatives or if you plan to sell your work on conventions it opens up a space to connect there as well!
Sometimes it does genuinely frustrate me that most of the content shared by the community is stuff I have no interest in, but ultimately that only really gets to me if i'm already in a bad mood. I don't really mind being a little weird, even if it does hurt sometimes when I can't really relate to the majority of the community.
I'm not personally interested in seeing representations of myself in TF content, but I definitely get that weird feeling of being here in the community but not really being part of it. Like I'm that weirdo who stands in the corner at a party who doesn't really know anyone and can't really get a word in.
I think one of the best ways I've come to deal with it, is to unapologetically be myself. maybe you can be that representation for others who are also looking for it.
I'm a neurotypical cishet woman so I'm as far opposite as you can get from what people would consider your average furry.
I guess I just want to say.
We're here.
We just stay in our own corners because the screaming from those who get triggered by our presence is quieter when we ourselves are quiet. It's wrong. It doesn't make sense, but they've made it 'THEIR' safe space, not 'A' safe space. The safe space is also where sexual expression is encouraged so it's hard to feel accepted when the bar has been set towards the more fetish side...
again a rant.. so anyways sorry. Just wanna say you're not the only one who feels like this.
But that's fine, there's a lot of sane and insane content here and everyone has their own preferences, at the end of the day whether someone accepts my identity, sees it as a kink that went too far just becauce I'm into that on top of identifying as a different species or is hostile against me, the kind of art and stories people post in here are a form of appreciation of the nature and world, whether it's sfw or adult content.
There's plenty that I could consider offensive, many present pigs as the most disgusting species imaginable, in general animals are portrayed as dumb and hypersexual. Same with furry content, I'm just trans species, I like transformation, I don't just want, I physically have to changes species to not go insane from dysphoria, barely anyone understands my type of concerns in here and for that matter even other therians tend to not feel as strong about it as me. I can't really find meaningful frindship or partnership due to that. It makes me feel alone too.
Maybe it's easier for me, because at the end of the day I identify as a pig and I'm into these dishonest adult depictions of them too. Frankly, I tend to feel here more at home than in therian related forums where most therians kind of accept they are stuck being a human. But here? I can read a story and imagine myself changing while also undergoing some depraved scenario, a win-win. There are still many depictions I absolutely hate, but if they make someone happy and isn't directed against me in particular, that's a net positive. While we are protective of our identities, maybe you could see is a positive too?
Do what you want for yourself and don't bother twisting yourself in knots trying to please others. If you have a good product then the people you want to be with will eventually come to you.
Sorry i'm rambling. I think the point i'm trying to make is that the furry community is too big and biased to look for validation and the sense of belonging that you are looking for and personally think you should look for smaller circles to seek the kind of fulfilling feelings that you are seeking.
One way I try to combat that feeling when it creeps in, is to take a step back. Reconnecting with old friends from college, from other spaces I've lost touch with. Putting more time and energy into old friendships
Another way I've tried is Reconnecting with a core group of furry friends. Folks I've met along the way and in various spaces, conventions, meets, chat groups, who share the same values as me. Friends who I can lean on for support
Another way had been to focus on making new experiences, and exploring new social settings. Traveling to see places or spend time being present with friends. Volunteering in person, joining a local book club, hanging out at a local bars trivia night. Listening to what my friends are sharing and actively saying, "that sounds like fun. Let me know the next time you're going hiking/rock climbing/ to the museum. I'd love to join you/ your friends."
Other times, I completely isolate from social engagements and focus on my own hobbies. Trying to get the rust off the foreign language I studied in college, reigniting my love of reading, or try something completely new like a cooking class
These are all ways that have helped me find peace and value the friendships I've curated over the years. When I feel othered, I remind myself it's their loss. The people othering me are missing out, so I should reach out to the people i love and care about
I hope this offers some solace
Honestly, i just let spite and dedication fuel me as much as I can. I can't and won't change who I am because the people that love me, love me either way and the people that hate me will always find a reason to hate me.
Make a pintrest board/scrapbook/journal - whatever of all the best comments on your art, on who YOU are, what makes YOU feel authentic. When you're feeling your lowest, go back to that and remember that no one else is you and no one can be you better than you.
I know that doesn't make it hurt any less. It doesn't make the othering any less ego bruising. It can be hard to keep going, but if your mental health can handle it, you should because you do awesome work that not nearly enough artists do. You matter as a person no matter what. Your mental health has to come first, so if you need a break to regroup, take it, but yeah...just focus on the people that lift you up. Fuck the haters.
Tongue firmly planted in cheek, I give you the advice I was given upon discovering the fandom 30+ years ago: be the porn you want to see in the world; you may be surprised who comes out to watch it.
It's why, even within the furry community, there are subcultures. There's so many who are in IT, engineering or art that as someone who is not in any of those fields I felt like an imposter. But I approached people with similar interests to my own and bond over our 'furriness' among other things.
I think a lot of people are focusing on like "yeah we feel this way too", to move past it, you've just gotta carve out your niche in the community. Not in an "Oh now I need to become a 'popfur' and become a new branch/subculture/following" but just have your circle of people who you can happily chat passions with that also happen to be furries. Like attracts like, as the saying goes.
My personal interests are in world building and designing structure for worlds, governments, theology, messaging etc. etc. and so many furs prefer visual to written stimuli. Found my circle of people who enjoy what I enjoy, and I feel much more part of everything that I did before.
Hope that helps.
When it comes to being a cis woman, plus size and in a long-term relationship within the community, I have no comment, and I don’t want to speak for people who are more qualified to talk about that stuff, but no matter about that, I support all people in the community who deserve to have a voice. I have seen misogyny running rampant in the fandom and would like for people to understand that not all furries are adult, gay, muscular men.
There's no need to force yourself into every community if it's not working, I've learned that a long time ago.
Otherwise, well, I do have furry sub-groups and other not specifically furry groups I'm interested in but feel othered by. I'm not sure I deal with it well so I can't give good advice there. XD
As a non-binary person, I do find that some sub-communities are not welcoming to myself, but sticking close to the communities and people who have welcomed me, and just exploring a little bit nearby has been good for me.
A lot of my favourite furry artists are cis women, most of which who are bisexual and in a long-term relationship, and some who are heavy. You're not alone.
TL;DR: The furry community is way too big and varied that you're bound to encounter situations you don't relate to more often than situations that you do. Stick to your own little subsection of the community that is welcoming to you.
basic answer is to say of course you'd feel like this because furries be 70% gay guys 10% trans mtf and 18% lesbian. (i know i missed some). hell im bi. but ive only dated guys cause ive never met many women, especially single ones.
Sorry you have to deal with so much "othering" in what should be a welcoming community <3