well, we havent talked much at all since Hornet and i stopped being friends...but i still consider you a friend. is that okay?

Thats kewl bro! What happens between you and Bee is between you and Bee.

alright ^^ its good to still have ya! *snugs*

you ish a nice person that i know :3 sadly idk you all that well D: but you seem like a cool guy and fun to be around

D'awww thanx Eva! Your a really kewl person too, and I lurv your artz!

Honestly I would say about you,that you are good-hearted,sweet and loyal person.Also great artist and friend
This is 100% true thing to say about you

Aww, thanx Jake! You are a good friend yourself and your art is pretty good as well and getting better with every pic! You always have something helpful to say and I appreciate ya!

I try my best to help in anyway that I can for my friends and i appreciate a lot about your great comments.
And I appreciate you a lot as well,Spitzer*hugs*

wish to know you better, but i can safely say that you're overall nice guy, and great online friend, im quite new at this but im glad to meet you ^^

You are someone that lives in my area but one I don't know :O

Well then we should fix that! Hi Im Spitzer!

lol We have gotten this far before :P

Like the one local meet you went to was the one I didn't because of a wedding :P

Oh darn,...well then perhaps we will meet at some point!

X-mas party this saturday! It is posted in my journal and on the yahoo group.

Wont be able to make it unfortunately due to work...plus I prolly wouldnt be a welcome guest...

Why would you not be welcome? :(

Well, I am one of the few real friends that VitaiSlade has and I wouldnt go without bringing him...and Sport and his group dont like Vitai and now probably me too...it would just be better for the sake of not starting a problem with Sport that I didnt come. Its a shame it has to be that way in any case...dont see why we cant just forgive and forget and all that.

Well, I am one of the few real friends that VitaiSlade has and I wouldnt go without bringing him...and Sport and his group dont like Vitai and now probably me too...it would just be better for the sake of not starting a problem with Sport that I didnt come. Its a shame it has to be that way in any case...dont see why we cant just forgive and forget and all that.

eh there are two sides to all of that. I don't know why sport is mad at vitai but I know why others are. Also it is not sport and his group lol. He is just outspoken. Everyone has their own feelings for their own reasons. I give everyone plenty of chances before giving up on them.

Owell, sorry I cant make it though. Work has me on almost every weekend. Besides Sport just blames Vitai for Stitch and Xander leaving the group and he'll never let it down apparently but I get what your saying. Regardless of what Vitai has done though...everyone needs a friend to stand by them...and thats me. I just wish we could all get along.

no one always gets along lol. If that is what he blames vitai for then yea that is pretty much true. That situation sucked alot and still sucks I guess. XD come to think of it I've known vitai longer than any other local furs I think.. since he was 15

You've known me this long and yet you still don't back me up, ever, or even talk to me hardly for that matter. You've known me, but you've not been a friend to me.

I backed you up for a long time... but I ended up basically getting slapped for it (not physically) so I stopped. I have not been talking to much of anyone online in a while so it is nothing personal.

Reply below.

a person i dont know too much yet x3 ,but a nice guy ^^ (and nice artist too x3)

Thankies DK! I'd like to get to know ya better though!

woof me too :3

you are the mate of a dear friend of mine who i care for ever since i met him, and i think you will do right by him because you are a good person

Thanx bro, any friend of Toki's is a good friend of mine!

A friend! :0) *wag*

Juu too! ~Woof!~

*hugs* You knw we are brothers. ^^

Sonic the hetchyhawg hair guy XD

just between you and you are AWESOME!

also kind and cool, and wish for a special trade

just between you and you are AWESOME!

All that I know is that you are a good person. I like you alot. Your art is amazing, and you always know how to spice up a conversation, especially when it's with hornet. I love the dialogue you two come up with together. it's hillarious! And like Jake said, you're a good and loyal friend. I may not know you that well, but I can feel that that's a true statement.

even though we haven't talked alot I feel you are a good friend and someone I can come to if I need advice.

but I ended up basically getting slapped for it so I stopped

That's just it. Anyone can 'back someone else up' when it's easy. That doesn't show true friendship. You show true friendship when you back someone up even after you find resistance and decide to stick by them anyway, giving them more support rather than less. Spitzer is the only one who has ever done this for me. He's known me for less time than any other furry I know, but he's already shown to be more of a friend than anyone else. He's stuck by me when I needed it, not quit out 'when it becomes hard'.

Reply@Journal: To me Spitzer is an awesome friend with an awesome heart. He stays true to his word and never backs down because of what everyone else thinks. Unlike everyone else who just says, 'Yea, I don't judge people based on what others say,' and then does the opposite, Spitzer truly lives his word. I feel honored to have met Spitzer because it's not often that you meet another person as loyal to his friends as him.

It is different when the person you backed up did the slapping. You don't back people up or remain friends with people that have threatened to kill you and vandalize your stuff on multiple occasions. While sometimes one or two bad spells are looked past this was more than that. While I don't hate you that friendship that was there is gone. Also to be fair Spitzer has not gone through the things with you that others have. I can't really say anything for recently but the things you wrote down in that apology letter and even the things you didn't are big things and are not overcome in a short time. like I said it is going to take a lot of time for you to get past that stuff and it will take alot of proving. This is not the first time you did the apology and I have changed thing either so it makes it even more work on your part. I gave you advice back then and even before that. I know some will never get over what happened but the rest will if you work at it. Through all of that stuff I never blocked or removed you like you did me and I still have not removed you.

I'm not proving myself to anyone for anything. I am who I am. If they don't like me for it, fuck them, if you don't like me, fuck you, I really don't care. You've never really been a great friend to me anyway, so it's really not that big of a loss, in my opinion. If you or anyone else wants to hold a grudge against me for getting butthurt a few times, fine, I really don't need you. If you want to grow up and work out differences, fine, but I'm not proving anything to anyone. The JaxFurs have proven to be a slew of drama queens that I really don't need in my life. I'm not going to go out of my way to please anyone. I'm done with apologizing and 'proving myself'. I'm not doing it anymore, I shouldn't have to. I've done nothing that deserves a grudge this long except possibly the stint between Xander and I, but even that was not completely my fault, though I will take the blame as I have continued to do. I've been a furry in Jacksonville for over three years, of course they will be drama. If no one wants to consider the fact that I was a lot younger than I am now and didn't know how to handle certain situations or my emotions with others (Be it anger, love, whatever), then they are free to do just that and hold that grudge. If people want to grow the fuck up and get over things that have happened, I'm open to it. But I don't deserve to be treated like shit for stuff that has long since past. I'm not going to stand for that. It's called part of growing up. I grew up in the JaxFurs so there will be a lot of drama with me because I did a lot of growing up and learning. I rarely made the same mistake once. Yes, there were time I had done similar things in reaction to certain situations, but I learned from my mistakes. If no one feels like paying attention to that, then that is their prerogative.

EDIT: ***I rarely made the same mistakes twice. Yes, there were times that I had done similar things in similar situations, but for the most part, I learned from my mistakes. If no one feels like paying attention to that, then that is their prerogative, just as it is mine to view them as a terrible friend for anyone who wants a real friend.

If you do something wrong you always have to make up for it.. there is no turning a blind eye to things of that nature. No matter who you do that too they will not forget and it will take alot to get past something like that. Unless both parties are drunk and fighting there is not really an excuse for that and even then there is not an excuse for that. I don't think I have ever seriously threatened anyone and everyone with anything like that even when I was "young". Even if my boyfriend of 3 years did that to me it would take a ton to get past it and it would prolly end up in us breaking up. No one blames you for anything besides stuff that you did. And that one thing both of you share the blame so it is not just you. and no one has proved to be a bunch of drama queens.. you created the drama that was around you not the other way around. You even admitted that. If people don't want to interact with you because of that the responsibility is on you to prove to them you are a different person. You have come to a group thing maybe once since then and that is not proving anything to anyone so yes of course no one will have gotten over things you did to them. I've never said I hate you and have always offered you advice weather you listened to it or not.

Okay, you obviously do not get the hint, so let me break it down really easy for you:

1) I am not going to 'prove myself' or 'make up' for anything. I've already apologized, if it is not enough or you don't like it, then you can suck my left nut.

2) If the JaxFurs wish to cry and complain because of stupid shit, that's their choice. They want to be babies and drama queens, fine, they can suck the right one.

3) There is not a single person in the JaxFurs group that is worth my time or 'making up' to. If you do not wish to be on friendly terms, you can go to hell, and that goes for anyone who wants to talk shit behind my back or cry because I show up somewhere that I have a perfect right to be. I've given you your chance, if you deny it, fine, that's your choice. I can throw shit just as much as anyone else.

4) I really do not care what you think.

5) Basically what I'm trying to say in all of this is:

FUCK YOU

Thank you and have a nice life.

well anyplace you go in life and anyone you meet in life will expect that and even spitzer will leave if you do something like you have. If you screw up sorry is not always good enough.

hehe no matter what you are still welcome spitzer XD I'm done replying to the other stuff.

agreed, your always welcome Spitzer