A comment on the holiday...
16 years ago
General
So, a friend of mine recently journaled about his dislike of people's behaviors during the holiday season. With respect to him, I took some issue with part of his comments, which essentially indicated that Christmas would be great, except for the Christians, who had usurped the season from the older pagan traditions.
I don't know if I consider myself a Christian any more. I sometimes jokingly refer to myself as a Christo-Pagan, since I think both sides of that pairing have valid and interesting things to say. I do feel the desire, however, to put my point of view up for folks to ponder. It appears here in a slightly edited format.
At the risk of creating some religious drama, Christians originally celebrated Christmas around this time anyway, because, under Roman rule, they were being killed. They hid their celebrations amidst the existing Roman celebration of Saturnalia, or December 17.
Then, many years later, they found it a lot easier to get other religions to accept Christianity if they wrapped Christ in with the current celebrations, so they moved it a week or so later to more closely coincide with Yule and Solis Invictus, because they likened Christ's rebirth to the rebirth of the sun.
You can demonize Christianity if you want, or label it as "sinister", but I've known just as many obnoxious Pagans, Jews, Atheists, and Scientologists as I have Christians. Frankly, when anyone gets smug about their religion, or lack of it, it can be rather off-putting.
I personally feel that you get out of this time of year, shopping and all, what you put into it. If you go shopping dreading it, then you're going to have a lousy time of it. If you go out in a good mood, then you might just be fine. I was out Christmas shopping for about five hours this past weekend. I was in a good mood, and nothing bad or obnoxious happened in my vicinity. Go fig.
And if you don't want to brave the crowds, there's always Amazon. ;)
- Andy
I don't know if I consider myself a Christian any more. I sometimes jokingly refer to myself as a Christo-Pagan, since I think both sides of that pairing have valid and interesting things to say. I do feel the desire, however, to put my point of view up for folks to ponder. It appears here in a slightly edited format.
At the risk of creating some religious drama, Christians originally celebrated Christmas around this time anyway, because, under Roman rule, they were being killed. They hid their celebrations amidst the existing Roman celebration of Saturnalia, or December 17.
Then, many years later, they found it a lot easier to get other religions to accept Christianity if they wrapped Christ in with the current celebrations, so they moved it a week or so later to more closely coincide with Yule and Solis Invictus, because they likened Christ's rebirth to the rebirth of the sun.
You can demonize Christianity if you want, or label it as "sinister", but I've known just as many obnoxious Pagans, Jews, Atheists, and Scientologists as I have Christians. Frankly, when anyone gets smug about their religion, or lack of it, it can be rather off-putting.
I personally feel that you get out of this time of year, shopping and all, what you put into it. If you go shopping dreading it, then you're going to have a lousy time of it. If you go out in a good mood, then you might just be fine. I was out Christmas shopping for about five hours this past weekend. I was in a good mood, and nothing bad or obnoxious happened in my vicinity. Go fig.
And if you don't want to brave the crowds, there's always Amazon. ;)
- Andy
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Frankly, it makes me happy when I can enjoy the season the way I did as a kid -- without worrying about political correctness or making it some kind of uber-holiday that celebrates a dozen religions at the same time. I love Christmas, and I don't want to worry about putting labels on myself because I enjoy it WITH all the Christian-ness :)
I don't know if you believe in Christmas,
Or if you have presents underneath a Christmas tree,
But if you believe in love
That will be more than enough
For you to come and celebrate with me.
- Kermit the Frog, singing The Christmas Wish
If it's Hannukah, or Kwaanza,
Solstice, Harvest, or December 25th,
Peace on Earth to everyone,
And abundance to everyone you're with.
Noel, or Navidad,
Season celebration or just the end of the year,
Christmas can mean anything
And I mean to keep its hope forever near.
- Blues Traveler, Christmas
Christianity is only demonized because the (corrupt)people in power (in a nutshell) forced it down the throats of anyone within their reach. People these days turn to Atheism because they got tired of that kind of treatment(which probably still happens today).
I believe that people that get aggressive about their spiritual beliefs, whatever they may be, to be forgetting (or simply never have understood) what being spiritual really means.
You can probably tell I don't put a whole lot of faith in Organized religion anymore. (Sorry for the rant here ^_^; )
Organized religion has been an idea I've had good and bad feelings about for a long time. I have very personal ideas about my spirituality, but it would be nice to have a group of like-minded folks to get together with for purposes of discussion and celebration. It's when you add hierarchy that things get a bit hairy.
And for meyself, if anything, I celebrate the human spirit.