He looks twink enough. not sure what the cut off is these days but thats pretty twink. If you need another term, maybe... otter? I think thats whats used for swimmer bodies as opposed to Bears being muscular,

True, but otters are hairy.... well human at least hairy.

honestly I'd believe it's how you perceive as being "girly enough" or not, mostly just like pairing wine with a dish: it's completely subjective per person, that's how I see it at least

Yep! I just saw a Twink as an Athletic male, not to muscular/beefy but toned to an extent.

Yea, and if your character has that build, then does it matter if he is considered as one based on whose opinion other then your own call?
He's good looking, and it's up to his creator to say who he is or isn't, I like him which is what matters most if he's likable.

Awww, thank you.

anytime ^^

If you see Marbles as a twink, he is a twink. Don't let anyone but you put labels on

Agreed, just like to be correct on term usage.
While I understand language is fluid and evolves, grows with time.. I am still anal about terminology.
(Which annoys people when I point out that Dinosaurs and Dragons would fall under Bull and Cow for their gender identification due to their size and mass. Also you should see how anal I am about game genres.)

I'd say the difference would lean towards attire, femboy wearing women's clothing and makeup, but still identifying as male. Twink would be of similar body type, but with a bit more muscle tone. Twinks would mainly wear men's clothing, men's swim trunks. If that makes sense. That's how I see it anyway. But I don't keep up with trends or the evolution of language. I have enough going on in my personal life right now.

Always felt the femboy build was s mallet and more effeminate.

Twink would be an athletic, early 20s build. More fit than nomal, but no where near a stud/beefcake

I feel like femboys can have some muscle, might not show in the arms and legs, more in the core. Workouts are needed along with a good diet to keep that effeminate body build.

Very true, its more mannurism and body language.
At the sametime the body type persay is usually effeminate, curvy male.

I had a little chuckle reading this.

https://thesaurus.altervista.org/dict/en/twink

Small, short bursts of light. Doesn't that just sound like it's perfect for someone, anyone, becoming proud of who they are and letting that light shine?

Personally, I've always felt Marbles fits the whole "Twink" aesthetic. Doesn't look super-girly, but does match the physical form I've seen from twinks in adult videos. Lean, fit, but not bulky or large like "bears" or well-defined muscle men.

To call him a Twink is pretty spot on. If he had wider hips, and sleeker legs or even a more "hourglass" shape, that would be more of a Femboy type.

I'd say in full retrospect, Marbles IS a Twink.


-- Stephen

Right, I always saw twink as more athletic and fit normal.
Smooth body, toned but not heavily.
While a femboy is usually more effeminate and smaller

I'd dink a twink

I actually asked a couple of years ago, if
my own mouse fursona qualified as a twink, and he
said no, Chris is normal.

See..
I always felt in his example that twink was femboy.
Normal was twink
And stud was beefcake

Your bun is definitely a twink. A very sexy twink.

Daw, thanks.

Eh, I think different people will draw the line between twink, femboy and other body types with different criteria, for me its more like this:
Slim, shaved and no muscles: Twink
Slim, shaved, no muscles and tries to act and dresses as girly as possible:Femboy

Atheletic muscle is now I saw a twink.
Similar to normal, but more athletic, smooth and toned.
Not muscled persay.

While femboys usually more effeminate in shape, and smaller but not always. Usually more about mannerisms

Short for yummy Twinkies 😃😃😃 I never thought of it as a gay slur more of a slur towards rich gays. (not my words my mommas) 😑😑😑

Shush, or Ill make you a twinkie.
Filled with bunn cream

giggles 🤭🤭🤭 MARBLES!!!🤣🤣😝😝😝

I consider "twink" to be a very femboy build, without necessarily going into feminine gender expression. slim torso is a must, curvy hips are highly recommended.

if there's muscle tone involved/less-to-none curvy hips, I consider that "twunk" ("twink+hunk" if the term is unfamiliar)

as for the Real Humans, I think your designation is more apt, because I think the standards for Real Humans are different than for fictional furries.
all that is just my personal interpretation tho, I think your take is entirely valid, and labels are subjective/arbitrary anyway.

See I tried to describe Marbles with the real world terminology and imagery shown here.

I'm just saying that people's standards/definition in the online/furry space may differ from other contexts now.

I'd like to think that needing to group up everyone and everything into quantifiable, solidly defined groups is how more problems are created, rather than just defining someone for what they are on their own, not compared to, and attempted to be lumped into, a whole group which may have quirks you do or don't have, even though you're in the same group.

But to actually answer the question, I don't know! I feel as though terms like that evolve and shift in meaning, both over time and from person to person. Maybe it's just easier to say the term is a bit subjective?

I run into similar definition issues when it comes to my herm characters. Some people think it's a slur term, some (like myself) use it in it's scientific definition of being both gendered, and others will use intersex or variations on it even though they're probably not wholly correct. It can be really frustrating tiptoeing around such things when I know how I am referring to them...

The three man types: Twink, Normal, Stud

But yeah, in that pic, Normal is Twink, and Twink is Fem. Twink is the right term.

See, I feel normal is kind of misnamed
While twink refers to normal but a bit more athletic. toned, and smooth body shape...
Femboy has more feminine features like hips, ass..

Thank you for seeing why i bring this up!

To me, twink and femboy are nearly interchangeable. Twink suggests a masculine presentation and femboy means feminine presentation but both still have nearly the same figure. Femboy might be softer, but not by much. Too much difference in the shape and you're venturing into intersex territory.

Yep, to me it was based on a fit, toned, smooth male.
Not heavily muscled but atheletic.

I'd say, since Marbles is a bit more fit then a twink, he,s more of a twunk.

Poses for Bear and Stallion to inspect.

*inspects very carefully the bunbun*

Yes pls.

Twink as femboy is absolutely a misconception. If we allow that definition to win then we won't have any term for true twinks!

Ultimately, twink just means an adult male who has youthful traits such as a slim physique, low or no body hair, and no facial hair.

IE: All femboys are twinks but not all twinks are femboys

See I always thought it meant toned, athletic physique and smooth like the IRL pics I shared.

Those are common qualities of the twink but the origin of the word just means young-looking; but not with any connotation of being underaged.

The most agreed upon etymology for the term dates back to the beginning of the Twinkie. In the original context this term was used: A twinkie is a soft pale blonde male filled with cream.

That got shortened to Twink and expanded to include other hair colors and skin tones.

In some of your images, Marbles is a twink. In some of them, they are not. IMO.

But there are definitely twinks with little or no tone/athleticism, even in your example images.

Arnold Schwartzenegger is hairless and athletic, but definitely not a twink!

And twink can't mean femboy, or those two words become synonyms and we lose our term for what a twink really is.

The four I linked at top are base marbles, 6ft tall firm athletic build with some tone but not too muscular.
Swimmer/jogging physique.

Longer hair strikes me as a less-youthful trait so I would push the slider away from twink for that.

And the black chest tuft looks a bit like chest hair in some of them, which pushes the slider away from twink too.

But he's got all of the typical twink traits being a nice and smooth shape, not too bulky, not too chubby, not to skinny etc.

Tuft was based on bunny's tuft of fur.
Hair no longer long if you see my stream *Hugs*

I've always sort of been perceiving twink as being just slightly more androgynous/masc than a femboy. Like if you've got a sliding scale of Fem-Andro-Masc, femboy is just past the halfway into fem without identifying as a chick. Just like tomboy is just past the middle into masc without identifying as a man, and butch is deeper into masc while still being a gal. Twink is kinda approaching the edge but still in masc territory of gender/expression, to me.

Like I imagine femboys to be dressed in skirts, but the twinks got the skinny jeans and tees. But then I'm so chaotic in gender myself it's hard to really take norms and terms seriously.

Twink is not another term for femboy. x3 oh no.

Looking at the body frame of your references, Marbles is a twink.

In the 3 Stripes reference their "Normal" is definitively a twink while their "twink" skews more femboy because of the clothing, but not the body frame.

You're not a twunk. Twunk is a twink that's a little more defined in their musculature (think abs)

I dunno?
I always thought it was a slang word for a femboy?

Either that or another word about the Twinkie. Short, soft, squishy, yellow pastry full of cream