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It occurred to me that not everyone uses Twitter and some might just not read even if they do.
Plus I have more to share.
Thusly I shall make some bulletin points first:
- tired of suicide idealization in vore. I hesitate to say it's fine to a degree because that sounds completely fucked but people who've been around long enough know what I mean. Like at a certain point it goes beyond kink into disturbing territory. I'm trying my nest not to target or out or anything like that but Jesus. Some people are WAY into the whole dying in vore thing to the point where it feels like it's... actually what they want to happen. Yknow? It's hard to explain under these conditions.
- people really should spoiler tag thier adult art and tag it more. Mostly a Twitter problem but like. I don't want to see dick on my feed/timeline/etc if I've blacklisted the content. But some people just, don't mature mark it or put any tags. Frustrating.
- people are way too comfortable sharing every dark or depraved thought in public now it feels like. Can't mute all the keywords either for obvious reasons. But not following a friend seems like taboo online. Also it's just, concerning? Anyone can find that? Especially people who don't know you and might take it the wrong way... bonus points if you don't even talk to friends like that but somehow it's fibe to post on open social media. (No call out here, just a trend I've seen)
- repetitive teases and such: im a hypocrite dw. But I've seen so many RP accounts and random people using the same tired tropes it's exhausting now. Bonus points for really contrived dialogue about how sensual/hot/etc it is. Or abusing noises like wild. (No judge if you're into that)
- abusing prefs seems more common than ever. Just fucking stop people. If they dont want it, stop fucking trying to make them. Hell I made a phrase about it. Kinks are like veganism, nobody is gonna want it if you keep shoving it in thier faces.
- slight follow up. As a closet exhibitionist because I don't want to attract the wrong people to me. It's insane what people think is ok to post in adult spaces. Even if it's adult content not everything should be posted willy nilly.
- also man the Furry community at large is disturbingly tolerant of individuals who make or buy good art. Even if they're actually really shitty people and there's actual proof of such... like, there's so many artists out there, please don't tunnel vision on stuff like this.
- side note I feel some people white knight way too hard over thier favorite artists. Like, Jesus. Calm down. You don't need to throw yourself into the firing range for someone who may not even know you exist. Especially over critique.. (which I have a bad history with myself)
- also some scenarios really should be thrown out of being so common. Like eating retail workers or the pizza delivery guy. Job sucks as it is, don't make it worse or just bully it even. Or eating someone's SO to try and gain worship/thier love. It's, fucked up in a lot of cases. Or pets. Just, cripes. I have no intention to kink shame, these can be done well, but a lot of the time it comes off or is intended to be sadistic.
- I feel like the Furry community has a lot of snowflakes, at least from what I've observed. Hugboxing, trying to clear the air instead of resolving an issue, just. Not resolving the problem which only makes it worse. Especially when it's a minor thing but someone completely breaks down over it or throws a tantrum and just ugh. I'm guilty of it myself but I do feel like boundaries should be established better and problems not swept under the rug hoping it'll go away.
As a second part.
I don't hate fatal vore. I just think that certain scenarios if it go waaaay too far or are just disturbing even as a kink.
A lot of it is just framing. How it looks, is described, emotions, consent, etc. I don't care about cruelty like i may suggest because this is really hard to explain and I'm bad at words at times.
But like.
Chances are if it involves stuff looking photorealism, involves non sapient as prey (like pets), or is committed to realism (to an extreme)
I can't say I morally agree with that at all. No kink shame or hate to my friends, I'm just trying to describe the sheer extreme side of the scale.
And I also tried to define various vore terms because it feels like nobody can agree on some at times. Copy pasted.
Endosama: just being inside, no melting or anything like that. Acids present but inactive or w/e.
Non fatal: prey comes back at all. Let's go deeper. Reformation is non fatal. "What if they don't know they're coming back or not" then it's Temp until proven otherwise.
Fatal: gone, not coming back. Dead in universe. No resurrection ever. Overlaps with Perma. Perma tends to be gone in every conceivable way forever. No soul, spirit,blblbl. Multiversal included.
Let's go over the blurry lines.
Perma is only perma if it stays that way. Cause perma is basically a verbal contract. It can be undone if any involved party says so. Shrug.
Non fatal means it is known by someone they'll be back OR if the implication they could is made or thought of. Digestion is not fatal unless see fatal above. Soul still there?
Blblbl. Difference is mostly just what's implied at the time. Can still cross back over to either side until its decided. See Temp.
Hopefully this can help some people figure it out.
I am open to debating if people have more questions or nuances.
I'm a lot happier being myself online now. But at the same time, I know I'm only human and will fuck up a lot. But without having to live like people expect is so freeing, and with that. All this stuff I've been bottling for years finally came out.
I hope I've explained everything well enough, I can't tell how it comes out at times.
I really don't mean to make people feel targeted or the like, I'm just stating my observations because I want what's best for the people around me
Thanks for reading.
Plus I have more to share.
Thusly I shall make some bulletin points first:
- tired of suicide idealization in vore. I hesitate to say it's fine to a degree because that sounds completely fucked but people who've been around long enough know what I mean. Like at a certain point it goes beyond kink into disturbing territory. I'm trying my nest not to target or out or anything like that but Jesus. Some people are WAY into the whole dying in vore thing to the point where it feels like it's... actually what they want to happen. Yknow? It's hard to explain under these conditions.
- people really should spoiler tag thier adult art and tag it more. Mostly a Twitter problem but like. I don't want to see dick on my feed/timeline/etc if I've blacklisted the content. But some people just, don't mature mark it or put any tags. Frustrating.
- people are way too comfortable sharing every dark or depraved thought in public now it feels like. Can't mute all the keywords either for obvious reasons. But not following a friend seems like taboo online. Also it's just, concerning? Anyone can find that? Especially people who don't know you and might take it the wrong way... bonus points if you don't even talk to friends like that but somehow it's fibe to post on open social media. (No call out here, just a trend I've seen)
- repetitive teases and such: im a hypocrite dw. But I've seen so many RP accounts and random people using the same tired tropes it's exhausting now. Bonus points for really contrived dialogue about how sensual/hot/etc it is. Or abusing noises like wild. (No judge if you're into that)
- abusing prefs seems more common than ever. Just fucking stop people. If they dont want it, stop fucking trying to make them. Hell I made a phrase about it. Kinks are like veganism, nobody is gonna want it if you keep shoving it in thier faces.
- slight follow up. As a closet exhibitionist because I don't want to attract the wrong people to me. It's insane what people think is ok to post in adult spaces. Even if it's adult content not everything should be posted willy nilly.
- also man the Furry community at large is disturbingly tolerant of individuals who make or buy good art. Even if they're actually really shitty people and there's actual proof of such... like, there's so many artists out there, please don't tunnel vision on stuff like this.
- side note I feel some people white knight way too hard over thier favorite artists. Like, Jesus. Calm down. You don't need to throw yourself into the firing range for someone who may not even know you exist. Especially over critique.. (which I have a bad history with myself)
- also some scenarios really should be thrown out of being so common. Like eating retail workers or the pizza delivery guy. Job sucks as it is, don't make it worse or just bully it even. Or eating someone's SO to try and gain worship/thier love. It's, fucked up in a lot of cases. Or pets. Just, cripes. I have no intention to kink shame, these can be done well, but a lot of the time it comes off or is intended to be sadistic.
- I feel like the Furry community has a lot of snowflakes, at least from what I've observed. Hugboxing, trying to clear the air instead of resolving an issue, just. Not resolving the problem which only makes it worse. Especially when it's a minor thing but someone completely breaks down over it or throws a tantrum and just ugh. I'm guilty of it myself but I do feel like boundaries should be established better and problems not swept under the rug hoping it'll go away.
As a second part.
I don't hate fatal vore. I just think that certain scenarios if it go waaaay too far or are just disturbing even as a kink.
A lot of it is just framing. How it looks, is described, emotions, consent, etc. I don't care about cruelty like i may suggest because this is really hard to explain and I'm bad at words at times.
But like.
Chances are if it involves stuff looking photorealism, involves non sapient as prey (like pets), or is committed to realism (to an extreme)
I can't say I morally agree with that at all. No kink shame or hate to my friends, I'm just trying to describe the sheer extreme side of the scale.
And I also tried to define various vore terms because it feels like nobody can agree on some at times. Copy pasted.
Endosama: just being inside, no melting or anything like that. Acids present but inactive or w/e.
Non fatal: prey comes back at all. Let's go deeper. Reformation is non fatal. "What if they don't know they're coming back or not" then it's Temp until proven otherwise.
Fatal: gone, not coming back. Dead in universe. No resurrection ever. Overlaps with Perma. Perma tends to be gone in every conceivable way forever. No soul, spirit,blblbl. Multiversal included.
Let's go over the blurry lines.
Perma is only perma if it stays that way. Cause perma is basically a verbal contract. It can be undone if any involved party says so. Shrug.
Non fatal means it is known by someone they'll be back OR if the implication they could is made or thought of. Digestion is not fatal unless see fatal above. Soul still there?
Blblbl. Difference is mostly just what's implied at the time. Can still cross back over to either side until its decided. See Temp.
Hopefully this can help some people figure it out.
I am open to debating if people have more questions or nuances.
I'm a lot happier being myself online now. But at the same time, I know I'm only human and will fuck up a lot. But without having to live like people expect is so freeing, and with that. All this stuff I've been bottling for years finally came out.
I hope I've explained everything well enough, I can't tell how it comes out at times.
I really don't mean to make people feel targeted or the like, I'm just stating my observations because I want what's best for the people around me
Thanks for reading.
It's human nature to be fascinated by, or at least curious of, two things: That which we do not understand, and that of which we are afraid. And death is one of the oldest and most obvious examples of both.
So on the one hand, the fact that people often use vore to explore that much more common fascination with death and the big "what if" that comes after it does not surprise me at all. But I do agree that there are some people out there who take it way, waaaaaaay too far, including a lot of people who refuse to get it through their thick skulls that not everyone else is fascinated by the same things, or to the same extent, as themselves.
Though, if I'm honest, a lot of the "vore equals death and if you say otherwise you're wrong" stuff I've been seeing lately is looking more and more like trolling than obsessive fascination right now. It's all over my own profile, for example, that I am strictly an endo-guy who has spent a considerable amount of time and effort crafting a setting in which safe vore makes sense, and yet I still get plenty of comments acting extra-horny over the gurgling, assuming they aren't just outright calling my characters murderers who deserve to die (yes, this has happened before). So now I just habitually file those comments away in the same place in my brain the "all vore is fetish (except when it's not)" purity trolling bullshit.
Amen to all the other stuff BTW, especially about tolerating people being shitty just because they also happen to art. I've done multiple journals about instances of this already.
The only thing I'll single out is the "overused scenarios" thing, and even then, I'm not defending it -- I'm just numb to it. Maybe it's because I know that the "pizza guy" scenario is also one of the most common pornography plot lines so it doesn't even surprise me anymore when I see it appear anywhere else. But even then, that should be taken as a sign by all the artists out there that it's been done to death so they shouldn't keep doing it. Unless they're going to do a turnabout and have the pizza guy be the pred.
Yeah, this is like, a common problem on Bluesky as well. Thank god the report function exists for that reason so that they manually apply said tag.
Other than that, yeah. All the points here make a lot of sense and I agree with them. Especially the part in regards to the Furry Community having snowflakes.
It's definitely happened more than once. I know the "are they okay??" Crowd is annoying, but god almighty just tag stuff correctly.
Tagging and ratings have been an issue to me for a while now... like, if there's genuine sex organs filling the screen, it's 'adult'. If the characters are null or fully clothed and it's just oral vore... and you ALSO have dick stuff, WHY MARK THEM BOTH AS 18+? Now I have to cut off the filter just to see your art. Thanks. Not that it was worth looking at to begin with. I kind of realized recently that some folks do it to keep kids from joining in the comments and getting mixed up with sick folks with no morals or self control. But jeez... peen art having a regular "mature" label while cartoon "otherwise sfw" oral vore is marked as "adult" is just annoying.
On the white knighting and hero worship end, there's also the issue of "somebody on twitter said some things and now I'm going at you fullspeed and guns blazing". The exact opposite. I don't want to go into that here, not that I can do so according to TOS, but it's even happened to friends of mine after minor disputes. Weird thing is that the people making accusations tend to either create the content that they claim the accused makes, or they follow other artists that do...
Anyway, I could ramble about art and the noxious air around it for hours.
tolerable person = we're friends
any fucked up shit = fuck off
Okay the vore terms though, I've a complaint, and I don't just mean the misspelling of Endosoma heh.
I feel that in essence making Fatal=Perma like that just, doesn't jive. Likewise digestion with reformation being classed as non-fatal, just feels wrong on the face of it.
Non-fatal in essence doesn't need to exist as a term with Endosoma being as prevalent in use as it is, as they pretty much overlap entirely.
Fatal can be listed as with and without reformation. Reformation being the key thing to look for. This would help folks who don't like digestion avoid finding digestion+reformation. If it has digestion it's fatal, because there is a fatality, even if an impermanent one,
Perma...if I'm being honest, it's such a wide-ranging thing that applies to kinks other than vore, I don't think it deserves much special treatment beyond offering a definition of what it is. The desire by both/all parties that this scenario be treated as permanent within the setting of the scenario.
This is mostly just, I can be particular about the contents matching what I feel is being advertised. If I were really looking for non-fatal vore, and what I was told as such lead into digestion I'd feel I've been lied to. It feels like missing the point to me.
I do think you have good points on this though