I have the game called "Deus Ex". xD

dundundun...
part 3 is in the making and has a website up. Hope it won't be such fail as the second game.

I really wanted to go see this movie until I heard about the story and rather lame plot. Now I don't know if I'm going to spend the money on it. Why does every director feel they have to make some big political point these days? Especially when they are FILTHY FRIGGIN RICH, and their point seems to be that all rich people are bad, except for them of course? Please, no more propaganda, just entertainment and a good story, is that asking for too much anymore?

You can't just hear about it. You actually need to see it. The story isn't the greatest I'll admit, but it's still a good movie. But you won't know that for yourself unless you see it. ^_^

It's dances with wolves all over again, from what I've heard. With a lot of bad science and economics on top of it. I think I'm going to wait until it's on DVD, I don't feel like paying 10 dollars to see that old 'Americans are bad' stuff again. The director has even come out and said now it's a political message movie. *sigh*.

As it's already been said; You gotta' see it, hearing isn't enough. I've already seen it, and I was very impressed. The characters are not two-dimensional, as one might expect, though as the story progresses, it's quite clear that you can already tell what's going to happen next. That's not bad writing, it's just a concept that's been in use for a very long time, and the fact that rather than being a ground-breaking story, it's a good one with a tried and true formula, coupled with visual mastery.

That said, there were a few rare moments in the movie that I felt that it looked more like clay-mation than CGI. My recommendation, go see it. Get your own opinion. Who knows, you might enjoy it, like I did.

It's a political message movie. Just because you like the message doesn't mean that I want to spend 10 bucks on it. I don't like the message, I think it's a bit trite. Yes they spent hundreds of millions on special effects. Why couldn't they spend a few bucks on a plot and story as well?
I don't go to movies to be preached at.

I understand what you're saying, but maybe you missed what I was saying. You sound like you know a lot about what this movie is about, so why not take a chance and have fun in spite of the message. You don't have to be a bleeding heart to enjoy the movie, that is to say, to find it fundamentally entertaining. Yes, much like in the Fantasy genre, the Humans are responsible for all the dickery in the Universe, and some outside, but with a story this formulaic, if the Humans weren't the bad guys, no one would be, and the plot would collapse right out of the starting gate.

I think that if you had to find a satisfactory message behind every movie you enjoyed, a lot less people would love the Rocky Horror Picture Show. However, your point remains valid if you only enjoy the Coen Brothers' movies.

I'm not going to see it (unless someone else pays for it) because I don't want to encourage such piss poor story telling. Really, they spent 200 to 300 million on the movie, and ten dollars on the story? There are a lot of kick ass fantasy writers out there that could have made this a really good story.

I'm tired of going to movies just to see eye candy. It's like eating sugar all the time, sooner or later you want some red meat. I bet half the fan fics that get written on furaffinity about the Na'vi are better than the movie. And that's sad.

Fair enough. Good luck.

There isn't anything wrong with that. Not with this movie. Trust me, I was actually rooting for the Na'vi over the humans. And let's be honest, most story lines and plots are used over and over again throughout story telling. Whether it's in the movies, television or books. I was skeptical about the story too, but Cameron did a better job with it than I hoped. It's still isn't that strong, but that doesn't even matter. It's a beautifully visual movie and that's the whole draw of the film. You'd really be missing out if you wait until it comes out on DVD. You won't get the same effect as you would if you watch it in a theater, especially in 3D and especially in IMAX. Trust me on this one. ^_^

Yes, you were rooting for the Na'vi over the Humans. You just made my point for me. I'm sick and tired of the whole 'Humans/Americans evil, aborigines/aliens good!' Story. Yes the evil humans go to wipe out the Navi because we need their stuff to survive, but if we had lived in perfect harmony with nature.... etcetera.

A guy just spent several hundred millions of dollars on technology to make a movie teaching us that technology is evil? Doesn't that strike you as hypocritical? You're paying money to see a movie that says your way of life is evil? That your society is inherently evil? From a man extremely rich but who doesn't use a dime of his money to make the world a better place, but instead uses it to enrich only himself?

I'm sorry, but the level of self righteous hypocrisy that this man and his movie generate makes it hard for me to suspend disbelief were I to go see his flick. Yes I realize that for most people, pretty pictures (ie Bread and Circuses) are all they want out of life. Sadly a pretty face and a mouth full of pretty rhetoric does not do it for me. It's not that I have a think against entertainment, I just can not feel entertained while being insulted.

Well, I happen to agree that most of technology is either evil or unnecessary in order to live a normal life. We've come to embrace technology because we've been told to and that with so much of it, it's hard to live what is now a normal life without it. It's also socially unacceptable or "backwards" to try and live without modern technology so it's natural to want to be part of group. But just because the majority goes in one direction doesn't mean that's the way to go and that's automatically good.
I use technology like anyone else, but I often feel something inside me trying to pull me away from it. I can totally agree that modern technology can be very bad. Although, even if I didn't use it, that doesn't necessarily make me better than you or anyone else. What really matters is how we use that technology and let's face it, we have a bad habit as a species in using our technology to destroy, kill, control or conquer.
There was a line in the movie saying that we all take energy from the planet and at some point we have to give it back. The real thing that a primitive society like the one in the movie has over us is they try to share the world they live in and try to stay in harmony with it. How much have we given back to the world we live in?
I agree there is a hypocrisy to what Cameron is trying to say, but that doesn't mean what he's saying is wrong. It just means he not the right one to say it. If you have a problem with him and that's what's keeping you from seeing it, then that's fine. But if you don't like the message because you're too proud to admit that the message is right and you might be wrong, then I can't agree with that. I can't support that.

Primitive societies are not as nice as you think they are, nor as nice as Cameron showed them to be. They really really really suck to live in. I also do not think that as a species we have any 'bad habits'. Societies have bad habits, not species (or they go extinct). As for 'taking energy from the planet', well where did the planet get the energy from? And does it affect the planet if you use it? Considering the scale involved, would the planet even notice? (well considering planets are not sentient I think it's fair to say the answer to that one is no).

And yes, it does mean what he is saying is wrong, because he has no idea what he is talking about. I don't like the message because it's stupid. The better message would have been about people living in harmony with people, and both sides working out their differences. But apparently the only thing people believe is rabid war mongers, peace loving natives, and the triumph of primitive over advanced. None of which are inspiring.

The answers to all of our problems can be found in technology, when we stop reaching we stop growing. The things that so many people want, you need technology to have, including the wonderful lifestyle of the Na'vi. Primitive people's do not live well. But with advanced enough technology we could live in that kind of world and have that kind of life.

Normally, I'd do some research to learn what "deus ex machina" means (I'm assuming it's Latin, and I have a reasonably certain guess as to its meaning). However, since I haven't yet seen the movie, and since I think it looks entertaining, I will forgo any research to avoid possible spoilage.

Basically means god from machine, wherein plays had some problem that was magically solved by something despite it not really making sense in that scenario.

The name comes from a device used in Roman theater, literally "god machine" that hoisted an actor into the air so they floated god-like over the stage. It has come to mean totally unlikely events occur that solve all the protagonists problems like you said. I think though, the story is so full of unlikely events that the deus ex machina climax is lost in the noise.

Oh yes, gaia, one with the planet, ultimate smurfs vs. gargamel.

If anything, I still am going to see it next week with some friends. If not for the story and characters, then for the really impressive special effects and CGI used in the creation of the film.

Monday could NOT come soon enough, let me tell ya. :)

I saw it in 3D today. Awesome effects and not a terrible story in of itself but similar to cotton candy, sweet and fun but ultimately not very satisfying. Well worth seeing just don't expect a lot story wise. Basically Dances with Wolves with aliens.

I disagree, the deus ex doesnt really fit as it made perfect sense, they were alluding to it from the first excursion for samples.

I only have 2 criticisms of the movie: 1) The name unobtanium, though there are some literary reasons for its inclusion. 2) The main military guys character.

Otherwise it was a great movie. For once a movie was just as good as I expected it to be, it wasnt bad or sub-pay, and it wasnt the second coming of movies (nothing ever will be). I cant remember the last time I was so satisfied with a movie, I really hope they make a second (though I know that based on history if they do it wont be as good). As shameful as the term usually is, I declare myself a fanboy of Avatar.

deus ex machina even if foreshadowed is a weak plot device. always ill be no matter the circumstances