Methinks you take these things too seriously.

If looking at the world dead on doesn't make you the slightest bit sick, I envy you.

Ha. This kind of stuff is far from "dead on." I look at the world with an objective lens, and while it is fristrating at times, all in all it's not so bad.

I prefer the undistorted view of my eyes. Unless you are willing to take everything you see you cannot form a correct logical framework.

Start low and ask why we have to work to survive?

Because whether it's money or food, life is all about profit.

It's just a question of how apathetic people are. Videos like this can be inspirational at times, but the sad truth is, at the end of the day, most people will just turn on the TV and forget about it.

Make everybody equal, and in ten years, you'll have three classes again. That's just human nature.

Yet our obssesion with profit begets war and Dominion the world over. The World Bank all but orders the US to invade Iraq and so they do, for instance. Money = Power in a very dangerous and disturbing way at the moment. The reason why is quite obvious but just because it makes sense does not forgive its danger.

However, Iraq had no connection to Alkaida whatsoever and they were whom the US was supposedly dealing with but dropped like a rock. These supposed weapons were not only "not found" but were also reported to Bush before the US attack as "not being there". So perhaps you should think again.

Communism is a workable concept however it requires one very key thing: A non-corrupt leadership. That was not seen in Russia during its glory days and is likely beyond humanity for the most part. Other systems of rule can be more effective against the Human species but unchecked capitalism leads to unprecedented suffering and Earth wide destruction in the name of making rich richer. Look over Africa where the US and other countries ROUTINELY kill non supportive leaders and their factions to ensure that Diamonds can continue to be mined by slave labor. Ever wondered what a large portion of our military is always bogged down doing over there? I know, I know a man who used to do that very job and was sickened to find out that was what he was really doing.


Anyway, PM me if you want more detail, but it sounds to me like you would rather accept what They have told you, which may be best for you, as the truth is nothing but depressing and frustrating.

Communism was propped up by the world bank to begin with, it was never designed to work, it was merely supported in order to overthrow the czar.

It is less known if african dictators have been propped up by the US. However it is known that much of the middle east's leadership was put in place by the US. This includes Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan to name a few.

This is also very prevalent in South America. Hugo Chavez for example is very anti-american because the CIA tried to take over venezuala and deport him. Watch "The Revolution will not be televized" it was filmed while the coup was happening and the film crew stayed with the government staff most of the time.

Of course Bush knew Saddam had WMDs, the US gave them to him so that he could attack neighbouring Iran. Saddam turned the weapons against Kuwait when the US sold the Kuwaitis sideways drilling technology that allowed them to steal the oil from Iraq.

The statement that capitalism has killed less than communism is a tough one to discuss because history is biased and not all casualties are direct. After all the US has been at war perpetually since WWI and has used more WMDs than any other nation on earth.

I must definitely agree that the casualties of this Ecnocratic society have been extremely deep and far more numerous than anything Communism could ever hope to achieve.

And for troop deployments keep in strict mind that the US does not release the truth as to where all of its troops are 1, 2) it needs very few troops to deal with such uprisings, and 3) they utilize a large number of "Mercenary" organizations on their behalf to do many underhanded operations.

Hear hear.

So many things promise reason and sense and, honestly, nothing has yet to provide.

Except Buddhism.

Wierd, huh?

Watch em and you'll see why. It even explains why buddhism does work.

Where do I get them then?

I posted the link on the journal entry

Then I may have to hold off on seeing these till I can get a better machine.

follow the link to a page with a forum posting with annother link, that downloads a .rar file which will need something like winrar to open, then you need a program like Azureus to complete the download, though the same files could probably be found on youtube/google video if you look.

Ditto.

Philosophy, science, religion, reality, pseudoscience, self improvement, arts and the human mind.

I'm primarily interested in the things that have either genuine significance or are rarely discussed rather than what's on tv or similar distractions.

At this point I've probably already accumulated more knowledge than many will their entire lives, but I thirst for more and more. Though I will say that my experience is lacking.

*snuggles* Hurray for being smart and liking smart things.

I'm just going to step in here really quickly to say that, with all due respect, I question most people with a video presentation.

If it was a book, like the flawed-but-enlightening "Lucifer Principle" or something meatier and more distant, like Mill's "Utilitarianism", Hobbes' "Leviathon", or any of Locke's "Treatises on Government" I'd perk up and pay attention. Mostly because I feel that books are an active medium. You have to work at it. With movies, you CAN (I'm not saying you do, but you could) passively absorb without critically thinking about it.

But then again, I'm just a bloody Logical Positivist. I sgrug off metaphysics like a duck shrugs off water, so, your mileage may vary ^.^

A good stance. Remember thought that the objective in this case is to spread the information to as wide an audience as possible. A book will restrict the audience considerably given the way people are used to absorbing information in modern society.

I advocate this video because I did not see it in a vacuum. It correlates with my personal findings and research from written, recorded and reported information. Not to mention the findings of thousands of others.

Fortunately the video does cite its sources for the less publically known claims.

Oh and there's no metaphysical stuff in this. It's the history of the nobility of the western world and their influence in our world today. Make no assumptions on what I imply by using the word nobility.

I knew what I was in for when I found the word "Zionists". I seem to remember the last time Jews were used as scapegoats, things got pretty messy, Ja?

as i have stated before...

religion is just an excuse to hate certain people

I was surprised when they actually created a distinction between jews and zionists. Most people think they're the same thing.

The video raises an interesting question about the holocaust that I mean to look into, what was the nationality of the jews that were killed. They claim that they were in fact targetting Russian jews and non racial jews. This makes the whole concept even more disturbing because it was less as a scapegoat and more for revenge.

Is that why of the 3 million Jews in pre war Poland, only 50 thousand survived?

given that 90% of jews are non-ethnic I wouldn't see it as a stretch.

If they're non ethnic, what does it have to do with Russia? Don't get me wrong, I know about the Nazy campiegns of the Einzatzgrupes and gas vans, I'm writing a book about it, but what you're talking about doesn't make sense.

On a further note, why are we arguing about polotics and your revised Holocaust on a furry porn site?

Such are the mysteries of life. But i'm not trying to revise the holocaust, by ethnic i mean not descended from the original 12 tribes of israel but simply those that are part of the religion. I would be very interested to know if that theory holds true.

Thanks for the torrents. I look forward to watching them. :)

You know, I was fallowing along intently through the first video, noting that they gave too much connection to little coincidences thinking that as things go along they'll find some way to inter connect everything into some giant global conspiracy and claim that they are not in fact coincidence.

Then of course, I got to the second video tape, in which they screw up historical fact so badly that I started laughing and had to stop watching close to mid through. The first tape already had some minor historical in accuracies, but they were somewhat forgivable since they did not focus on them that much, but the ones pertaining Jesus’ linage are seriously laughable.

To set a few things straight, the religions, political and economic leaders of this world do indeed keep a very tight grip on everything going on. They are some of the biggest influencers in human history and will always push to become more powerful, sometimes working together in this affect but end up butting heads and fighting amongst themselves as well. This is how the world has always and will always work, but to believe that a single linage has been controlling things behind the scenes sounds a bit ridicules, though all be it not something I am going to completely dismiss as untrue. I would just like to see proper evidence of it, in which these videos have failed.

Another thing worth noting is that indeed, there are some misconceptions of history when one tries to look towards the Jewish and Christian Biblical text, for the very reason that they are not, nor where they meant to be, historical document, they are simply mythology. Indeed much of what is written is based off actual events, but with a mystical and spiritual twist added, simply put they are nothing more than tall tales and should never be taken literally. Now, there are archeologist all around the world trying to bring us the true historical story beyond the Bible stories and while some things mentioned in these videos is accurate, they also get a lot wrong. Further more they dwell much on unconfirmed information and are drawing conclusions without providing much proof to back up their claims.

It may very well be that the creators of these videos fully, honestly and truly believe in what they are saying however their reasoning is misguided. If they do believe it and are simply trying to share their point of view with others then I can only fault them for their own ignorance. On the other hand, if they make some of this accusations and assumptions without fully believing what they say or know that some of their facts are wrong, then they are simply praying on the ignorance of others to get them to believe the things they want to be. In the end that would make them a part of the very same global conspiracy, they are preaching about.

Remember well that propagandist rely on the ignorance of others. They feed them a few little half-truths and a bunch of lies. Fooling people into thinking, they are telling the full truth in this process. Never give into information that is being spoon fed to you and look up information for yourself so that you can learn more of what is really going on.

What historical inaccuracies are those? If you're referring to the egyptian lineage speculation then its impossible to either confirm or deny the claims. However it should be noted that numerous researchers have found similar connections though not necessarily identical ones.

The only real leap i could see was the idea that jesus had offspring, and whether that happened or not actually has no bearing on the exposition at all.

Going by known historical documentation, Cleopatra died over 20 years before Jesus was even born.

I know I do not need to watch the rest of these videos because I know what they are attempting to do. They start off with the events of 9/11 and the resulting conflicts, discuss who might have been responsible then take a deep dive into history to discuss the seeds that leads to all this conflicts, creating loop, or ring, that inter connects everything together.

Unfortunately, their theories are held together like a suspension bridge, each little piece meant to support the whole. Therefore, when you prove that any one part is untrue, you destabilize the whole and cause it to come crashing down. Basically, you are able to prove that their theory, which keep in mind it is nothing more than a theory, is wrong. That is not to say that little bits and peaces are necessarily untrue, but as a whole it does not work.

This is what happens when people jump to conclusions based on circumstantial evidence. One could almost call these people paranoid, but I am not about to completely dismiss everything they have said just yet because some of it really does make you stop and think. Unfortunately they offer absolutely no proof what so every to their claims and mixed up some of the fact, this greatly discredits their case.

Evidence is not proof, neither are conclusions based on conjecture.

There is no known historical documentation of Jesus actually ever existing. And if you were to use the bible or Qu'ran as such they leave a 30 year margin of error.

If Jesus was Cleopatra's son then that would explain why the story of Jesus mirrors that of Osiris.

There is no circular logic in their arguments and it's not all built on old information. Instead it connects what we already know for certain in this time with a plausible historical connection.

There is very little, but there is some. Their authenticity may be in debate, but to say there is no documentation is a fallacy. Most importantly is the fact that Cleopatra died more than 30 years before the events of the gospel take place, so it just does not work within the timeline any way you look at it.

What you have here is something that appears to be a convenient truth. There are many gaps in our history and many times people try to fill in those gaps with how they think it might have happened, trying to answer what we do not know with what we do know. However, what this creates are half-truths, where part of the story is based on known information while the rest is made up.

I highly doubt that serious historians, at least the majority of them, would even consider this theory a possibility. Given the actual known information they would probably even find the notion laughable, much as I did. Really, in the end these people are just cut and pasting a serious of unfounded ideas together to try and create this global conspiracy and have little to no scientific evidence to support them, on the contrary the scientifically evidence goes against most of what they are saying right down to what caused the towers to fall.

It's interesting the numbers you bring up. If what you're saying is true, given even a slight margin of error then the theories presented in the video are given even more credibility. It states that there is a 30 year margin of error in historical accuracy as to when jesus was born. We also know that jesus disappears around age 14 and reappears 20 years later. If we go by what you're saying and that cleopatra died before jesus was born we have a 10 year safe margin within the 30 years of probable error. This leaves an opening for Jesus to be born and disappear at the appropriate age just as cleopatra dies. Then if the events of the gospel take place when you claim they do that puts him back in egypt at exactly the correct time as well.

We also know that Cesarian did in fact exist and did disappear at the appropriate time and age to coincide with biblical record.

If Jesus was Cleopatra's son, someone would have noticed that there was an Egyptian among Semitic people. Back then, they could tell what village you were from by the way you combed your beard. The Romans, at the very least, would have noticed and made lots of records of an Egyptian leading the Jews. They might even have given him a suspended sentence and a ticket back to Egypt, since they owned the place anyhow.

And the reason that the irror isexists is because it's not an original story. It's an old saw that everyone has. Just one of the mystery religions. Called the "Osiris-Dionysius" story type, it has been said of those two, Jesus, Mithras, and others. It involves a basic structure, being, mostly, that a great leader rose, preached, died and came back to life. In fact, Jesus' story isn't even interesting by the contemporary standards of his time. It's almost a rip-off of Mithras, down to being born in a barn. If the Mithrans hadn't been killed and destroyed by the Christians, they'd be the bid shots.

(cf the following: The Jesus Puzzle, Did Christianity begin with a mythical Christ?; and The Jesus Mysteries)

Given the genealogical origin of cleopatra jesus would have looked semitic. The whole point of the exposition was in showing that the semites intermarried with egyptian royalty and the ptolemaeic rulers of egypt were actually all semites.

I am also aware of the connection with the story of mithras and it's not unimaginable that someone would emulate it in order to appear as a messiah. Examples of that can be seen in Saddam Hussein comparing himself to Nebuchadnezzar and Kim Jong-Il's fantasy stories about himself.

That would be a good theory, if it weren't for the earlier dates of the cult of Mithra's origins.

As well, you'd need some solid archaological and historical evidence that the ruling lineage of Egypt, from Egypt itself and from Rome, were NOT of the dominant ethnic stock. Had that been the case, everyone and their mother would have flled up walls and papyrii with talk of it. I'd be more than likely to say that they were at least partly Nubian. There's far more evidence of the existence of "The Black Pharoahs" than there is for any Semitic ones (Like Joseph.)

"If you tell a big enough lie, and keep on repeating it, in the end people will come to believe it." -- Josef Goebbels

Saddam bombed the WTC, Saddam bombed the WTC, Saddam bombed the WTC, buy more gas, Saddam bombed the WTC, Saddam bombed the WTC, Saddam bombed the WTC....

If you haven't seen it already, get The Trap. It's from the guy that did the Power of Nightmares. TorrentSpy has it at the top.

what the best thing to watch these videooooooooooos with coz my comp sucks and wont let me

first you gotta download the torrents, but after that you need the divx codec and some kind of player

I suggest just getting CCCP http://www.cccp-project.net/
And VLC Media Player.

cheers mifmaf

thanks for sending it to me but its not letting me play it yet. Time to download more stuff to slow down my puter LoL