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6 months ago
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Well, I had a curious case that I would like to tell you about, because, to be honest, I didn't understand anything.
Yesterday I posted a drawing of the tomb, and I really liked it. I have placed all my drawings on the avatar and banner in accordance with intellectual property law. but this morning, I was surprised to find that a public statement appeared on my page demanding that the drawings be removed from my avatar and banner. After that, I read the message that was sent, apparently, after the public statement. It was not my client who wrote to me, but his art manager with the same requirement that I wrote above. I immediately deleted the art and banner with this character without reproach or conflict.
I was very unpleasantly surprised that they made a public statement first, and only then contacted me personally. and it wasn't the customer himself. I cried and calmed down.
And now I've posted a drawing on the same theme, but with a different background, a different character, a different pose, a different palette, and a different lighting. all that remains is the idea and the angle - the coffin and the angle from which the character looks from above. and I received a question from the customer, again only publicly, he again did not write to me personally, although I calmly get in touch and fulfill all the requirements.
In an attempt to resolve the issue, I wrote in messages, and ... and I was just blocked.
I remind you that I calmly comply with all the requirements, but they decided to publicly humiliate me twice without contacting me in private messages.
The idea of art is my intellectual property, I didn't think it was possible to privatize an idea from someone else's head. And that's it..Is it okay?
in addition, I have a lot of questions: why arrange a public spanking when I calmly make contact , communicate calmly and fulfill any requirement to make everyone comfortable? Why did a stranger write to me? Why don't I have the right to own my own ideas?
Does that mean I'm no longer allowed to draw coffins and use a top-down perspective?
Yesterday I posted a drawing of the tomb, and I really liked it. I have placed all my drawings on the avatar and banner in accordance with intellectual property law. but this morning, I was surprised to find that a public statement appeared on my page demanding that the drawings be removed from my avatar and banner. After that, I read the message that was sent, apparently, after the public statement. It was not my client who wrote to me, but his art manager with the same requirement that I wrote above. I immediately deleted the art and banner with this character without reproach or conflict.
I was very unpleasantly surprised that they made a public statement first, and only then contacted me personally. and it wasn't the customer himself. I cried and calmed down.
And now I've posted a drawing on the same theme, but with a different background, a different character, a different pose, a different palette, and a different lighting. all that remains is the idea and the angle - the coffin and the angle from which the character looks from above. and I received a question from the customer, again only publicly, he again did not write to me personally, although I calmly get in touch and fulfill all the requirements.
In an attempt to resolve the issue, I wrote in messages, and ... and I was just blocked.
I remind you that I calmly comply with all the requirements, but they decided to publicly humiliate me twice without contacting me in private messages.
The idea of art is my intellectual property, I didn't think it was possible to privatize an idea from someone else's head. And that's it..Is it okay?
in addition, I have a lot of questions: why arrange a public spanking when I calmly make contact , communicate calmly and fulfill any requirement to make everyone comfortable? Why did a stranger write to me? Why don't I have the right to own my own ideas?
Does that mean I'm no longer allowed to draw coffins and use a top-down perspective?
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I can't agree with you completely, because literally everything has been changed in this art. As I described above, the exception in repetition is the presence of the coffin in the Frame and the angle.
but I realized my mistake, it seemed to me that some of my thoughts were obvious, such as that the idea for Art remains exclusively privatized by me and I can create modifications.
in addition, I was ready to delete the work if it would make the Customer comfortable, but they didn't write me a post, and they didn't talk to me like two Adults. although I was not set up for a conflict And initially fulfilled all the requirements of the first Message. I fixed my mistake and now my intellectual property and that are fixed on my page.
Now, I wouldn't have a problem with an artist using the piece I commissioned as their banner if they had asked me, and perhaps credited character ownership to me on their profile. (I have had an artist do this in the past, but they asked my permission and credited my OC) It seems only polite. If the commissioner reposted your work, would you not expect credit for your part?
While the commissioner absolutely does not own the idea of a coffin theme with a top down perspective, I too would be a bit bothered if I had asked for something specific and it was completely remade the same minus the arm position. It gives the illusion that the art was reused in sketch form or was a multislot YCH, therefore making it feel less unique and worth less.
I certainly would not have handled it the way the commissioner and their friends have, that definitely comes across as harassment and is incredibly unprofessional. I think they should have brought it up privately, but I don't think they are entirely wrong for being upset in this circumstance and I know I would likely unwatch the artist and probably refrain from commissioning them in the future if it were my commission. It's one thing to be inspired by an idea, it's another thing to essentially remake it. Could the recent work be done from a different perspective? I think a top down perspective could have worked just as well, but come across entirely differently had you done it landscape wise versus portrait. There are ways to pull off the same idea while challenging yourself to try something new!
This is not to say that you absolutely can't do similar artistic works, but in this case I'm not surprised that it stirred up controversy.
you wrote a very good comment, but today I will allow myself to finish spreading the communication on this topic.
I will only answer briefly. : you can always come to an agreement with me if something doesn't suit you. and my mistake with the avatar and banner became a lesson to me, because I didn't think before that I couldn't use my own art for my own purposes. of course, due to inertia, I didn't even ask the client about it. Thanks for your comment.
I blocked you because I was done talking about this. You have your different opinion about this VS my opinion. I spent 80$ for an auction to commission you and only for it to be put up for an auction with an over 200$ Bid on it. Just from seeing that my piece I commissioned feels worthless.
As for the comments what my friend did is on her. I can't speak for her.
As for my comment, was it unprofessional? Maybe. I could of 100% messaged you privately for it. But with the history I have had with you as of recently my notes have been read and not responded to.
Since I have calm down.
I got no wips for the piece I paid for. If you told me what you posted in the comments about your rights when it comes to commissions I wouldn't of commissioned anything from you. It goes back to this is the only piece in your gallery you have done this to so it makes me wonder why my piece.
You didn't comply with requirements because I asked for fixes and they weren't all fixed on top of that and the piece was replicated. I was far from being unkind. Firm? Yes, due to being an upset customer.
You want to make an agreement to make everyone comfortable and happy but you went ahead and made the replicate and auction before I even said a thing to you. How can an agreement be made? Some people now think they are going to get a replica of the piece.
None of this is fair from any side of it. For me commenting, yes. I apologize for that. But I got screwed over hard over this because the point of commissioning someone is for an individual personalized piece of artwork of someones character. And now it's no longer that. Like I said before If I would of known I wouldn't of bid on the auction. (To which i waited 4 months for this commission) I don't think anyone would.
Have a good night.
- I'm responding to everyone with a delay.
-In the description of auctions, I have a deadline of 1-6 months.
- I had two more jobs where I used my own idea. now one of these works is being redone to be put up for auction. It's called " selfie"
- My big mistake is that I didn't outline how I work earlier.
To sum up, I want to say that it all turned out to be very sad and pointless - so many undeserved experiences for you and me. I hope in the future none of us will feel This anymore.
Have a nice day, I apologize for making you worry!
From what I read, it appears you used the art that you completed for the commissioner as your icon and banner. Intellectual property does not give you rights to the character, therefore, using the completed commission as your own personal icon and banner can be seen as a form of violation against the character copyrights and can be seen as an impersonation of the original owner. To avoid this, you could create a collage of all different commissions you have done and put your user name over the top as your banner and maybe some of your socials, similar to something like this: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/40232562/
Now as for the commission being reused, now while you the artist technically do have intellectual property to reuse the composition, pose, or base design for a YCH, however, if the commissioner was not made aware of this in advance as you have claimed in a previous comment, then the commissioner could have been led to believe that they were commissioning a one-of-a-kind custom commission from you. This can then fall under violation of a breach of contract between you and the commissioner as it was implied that this art piece is one-of-a-kind. This can be seen as unlawful in the eyes of the law. To avoid this, I would've have asked for permission to reuse this as a YCH and if they say yes, then let the commissioner know that effective immediately (for next time) that you have added to your terms of service something similar to the following clause: "Artist retains all rights to the artwork, including the right to reuse poses, compositions, or concepts for future works, unless a unique-use fee or exclusivity is agreed upon in advance."
This is just my perspective. This does not mean you can't do similar artistic pieces, but I would just use this as an example of what not to do in the future and I personally would remove the current coffin commission YCH auction you have up currently.
Being an artist is definitely a learning experience and you can't better yourself unless you are willing to learn from things like this. I wish you the best of luck in the future though. Do not let this stop you from doing what you love.
To be honest, I'm a little tired, and I just don't have the words and energy to respond to your detailed comment. I'll answer briefly: I've learned a lesson for myself, and in order to avoid causing problems to anyone, I'll do everything right.
However, the way it was handled I’d say wasn’t mature and was problematic. It should have been handled privately. I hope you’re okay and please don’t stop doing arts, sometimes these situations happen and we learn, but it seems like it was an honest mistake and you’ve handled it very well.
У меня подруга использует свой арт с моим персонажем в качестве аватарки группы в телеге, и мне абсолютно комфортно с этим.
К тому же, идея с гробиком (или капсулой) тоже не нова (например, арт Orphen-Sirius'a).
Тем более, что фон вообще иной, только общие черты и гробик.
Возможно, следовало бы и спросить, учитывая, что сейчас куда ни ткни - кого-нибудь да оскорбишь. Однако и заку вот так вот сразу переводить все в публичное поле не следовало.
Спасибо тебе большое за поддержку, сейчас чувствую себя ужасным человеком за все происходящее.. Я рада, что люди в большинстве разделяют мою позицию и понимают меня.
Я осознаю в чем была неправа, мне жаль было причинять вред клиенту. Но я не считаю, что заслужила публичной экзекуции , и уж тем более не заслужила быть отчитанной за то, что по праву мое - мои идеи и мое творчество
Спасибо, правда <3
Вот тоже видать сначала думал, мол, "у меня опупенный арт, которого ни у кого нет." И тут появляется второй почти такой же. Все, ценность своего арта рухнула на уровень ценности тех мегабайт, которые арт занимает на диске.
Я всегда иду на уступки, я готова все сделать и переделать, чтобы всем было удобно. Но человек зачем - то еще начал обсуждать, что работаю долго ( 4 месяца , но дд у меня 1-6 месяцев и это везде указано), что я отвечаю долго , и именно поэтому он писал посты , а не сообщения . в общем приговор: виновата.
Я бы спокойно и арт удалила, и юч, еслм человека это утешит. Но .. Человеку захотелось публичной драмы.
теперь я не пойду на уступки после того, как мне наступили на горло. Правда. Я не хочу предавать себя, ценность своих желаний.
Не, у меня тоже бывали конфликты и неурядицы. Один раз выложили недоделанный ЮЧ - не прислали на согласование, а просто выложили. Ну сказал в ЛС, все поправили. Другой случай был обиднее, сначала месяца 3 игнора, иногда были "завтраки", мол, вот-вот, ща пришлю, и игнор дальше на месяц-два. Тогда да, написал шаут, мол, ребята (я был не один там), нас нае-али. Потом мне просто прислали арт, без стадий, безо всего, с кучей ошибок в дизайне, и выложили у себя. Ну я в ЛС там повозмущался и просто прекратил общение. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Так что все бывает.
Прими мои лучи поддержки (✿◡‿◡)🌹
Спасибо, о спустившийся на меня с Олимпа бог, что пришел меня поддержать ❤️🔥 мне сейчас это действительно очень важно, никак не могу отмыться от чувства, что со мной что- то не так.
Значит, с нами тоже что-то не так, добро пожаловать в клуб!!
Pretty much i get the first part asking to change that but the second part is whatever. Then they bitch in comments about how you made the journal despite not dropping names and really asking for advice.
Like did you mess up? Yes, you quickly fixed it when asked. Just all around weird to me. People want to be unqie so badly they dig their own graves. (Or should draw their own graves /joking )
as I said, I was ready to fulfill all the Requirements unconditionally. I fulfilled the requirement to remove the avatar and banner, but I did not think that I would also be reproached for my own art and my idea.
I was ready to delete my work so that the client would be satisfied.The client left a post on my page, , and I contacted him again in private messages., but the client didn't even communicate with me, just sent one message saying that he was unhappy and upset, after which I was blocked without the opportunity to discuss the terms of the agreement.
now I'm not ready to give in to a client after being humiliated. I was kind, but I was described as a bad person, after which I am not ready to make contact with the client now.
I know it must be a little tiresome to keep up with it all Know you can always rest. You have done well to make your point. At least you know a little more now than before.
It's not fun being blocked when you want to work things out. Hoping things will be resolved in the end!
I paid for the commission 4 months ago as an auction.
I asked for updates last month saying the piece was supposed to be done 1-3 months within purchase. I haven't heard anything since.
I asked for another update last week and didn't get a response. When I did it was of the full completed piece. No wips. No nothing
I asked for fixes they didn't get done.
I noticed she used the piec as her icon and banner. The banner didn't bother me at all. The icon did. My friend, yes commented and noted the artist because she had a history of ignoring my notes and others I have spoken to.
Next thing I knew the artist changed both into a new photo which was the replica of the piece of art I paid for.
At the same time I made the comment on her page, again due to her note responding to my notes she posted the auction.
She noted me immediately about it confused saying she had every right to reuse her intellectual property.
I gave detailed explanation as to why I was upset and blocked the artist.
She decided to post this journal afterwards. Was I wrong. Yes. But I want people to see the full story.
As I wrote in my comment above If I would of known she was replica (difference between reuse) i wouldn't of paid them the money.
She wanted to make it more public then so be it. I know she didn't name drop us but its also not hard to go look. She could of easily removed the comments and she left them up. Personally I don't care.
I have tried to explain why I'm upset with the artist but it really seems they only care to see what they were right. I can apologize all day but I won't get any fixes for something I paid for nor an apology for myself for the "miscommunication".
I should of left my previous comment because they should of told the full story. Not just one that painted me in the bad light but both of us.
were you the FIRST to start a dialogue in a public space, and then you wonder why your comments weren't deleted? She didn't have to delete them.
In addition, you have been warned about the deadlines, this is indicated in the description under each of her auctions.
And yes, when an author has a good idea for making money, he has the right to use it.
This is not the first time the author has made absolutely WONDERFUL modernizations of her works, she makes sets of works. She recently posted a "field of lilies" there. literally the same pose, but from different angles. there were also about two or three more such Sets. I don't understand your surprise.
I dont think you are the bad guy but i do admit i dont understand the problem at the end. You didn't commicate over an assumption, and then you didn't commicate again and blocked them. It's tiresome to see people treat others with disrespect. Please be more paient and commicative in the future.
I did make a little joke which was just because it sounded funny and im sorry as me saying you were the bad guy. I personally don't see a reason why someone drawing a similar idea is a bad thing.
Maybe because ive been harassed over similar stuff i really dont see the problem. Its better to talk things through but you did just block them. Where else were they suppose to go? Just wallow in pity? The artist is taking isnt hiding people saying there were in the wrong. They admit they were and even said its a good learning experience to them. Personally their wording is a little weird but I'll calk that up to having english as their second language. I have no place to judge there as you can see I'm not the best at writing as well.
I hope this clears things up from my perspective. Know i do get your struggles but just try and be more mindful in the future.
I suggest we stop, it's a difficult experience for both sides, there's no point in continuing conversations. (◡‿◡✿)
Dear ones, I don't want everyone here to start swearing and defending their views and boundaries. everyone has their own opinion on this matter and it's not worth trying to convince each other. I'm closing the comments because I don't want everyone to start swearing.