Can't blame you. Being able to copyright a game mechanic that goes back to the earliest editions of tabletop games is frankly ludicrous.

Perhaps they will awaken the ire of Hideo Kojima, who uses that mechanic in Death Stranding 2. He could challenge their patend and prove there was Prior Art before Nintendo filed for patent protection.

If Nintendo fights id, it could cause massive portions of the Nintendo empire to implode in a Voidout.

Bruh Hunter class in Wow as I said did this in 2004 in a 3D game.

I don't know WoW well enough to make clever analogies based off it.

Hunter can get beasts in game as pets and summon them on field to attack other monsters via commands.
Exactly what the patent is describing. Like it's so vague Dark Souls Ai phantom helpers would go against it.

This is more aimed at the 3D games. And how they presented the patent makes it sound like it's a switch 2 thing to confuse people.
And according to some they didn't even have the right to patent it since arcues was beyond the scope by the time it was put in office.
But yea this will affect tons of games if not challanged.

Good thing they didn't and this patent is referring to a Pokemon Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee mechanic brought back in Scarlet and Violet that Nintendo argues Pocketpal plagiarized.

I've genuinely lost friends because I criticized Nintendo. Their fans are out of their minds.

Bruh. I remember this one lunatic attacking everyone in my journal and calling me a nazi and trump supporter just coz I criticized a pokemon game.
Nintendo fans are unhinged.

Pretty sure that's not a "Nintendo fans" thing, it's that one goofy goober having serious issues.

It was a pokemon nintendo fanboy. Like all his deal was pokemon lewds praise daddy nintendo nothing else.
I just shared that joke of jojo time freeze with the ladder and that was enough to go ballistic and started attacking everyone on the journal page who commented.
And a lot of these have been nintendo fanboys that just go insane. Like remember when I said in Discord server that I didn't like Zelda BotW. Oh boy XD
Nintendo fanboys, Fnaf fanboys and Undertale fanboys and Sonic fanboys have been generally the worst experiences ever.

I do wonder if they can enforce it without their case being laughed out of court, though.

Because you can't patent a game concept or idea, only the game itself and its very specific mechanics.

Either way it's stupid.

Depends on the country. Apparently in Japan you absolutely can.

Ah, I see. So they own the general concept of fantasy monsters so nobody else can make a game with them? Or is it there anything specific?

Because if it's the first...then fuck 'em. I'm doing it anyways.

They apparently own the "summoning something with a thrown object" and "riding on your summoned creature" patents in Japan, which is laughably fucking stupid, yet here we are, living in a reality where that's a thing.

Ah, okay. It's not the general "fantasy monster" idea.

Do they own the idea for "fantasy monster pet simulator (no battling or summoning)"? Because if they own patent too...then that's also stupid.

I don't think so? Or if they do, it hasn't been in the news articles I've read. Considering games older than Pokemon did that, it'd be a hard patent to own.

You know, in a sane universe.

I do wonder how they're going to handle the games that came before Pokémon that use the "summoning monsters" mechanic.

Are those games that came before gonna get banned or something?

Probably not. This is for selective enforcement, like with Palworld. A bunch of Pokemon clones came out prior to Palworld and Nintendo was silent. They only went after Palworld because it became immensely successful.

Ah, I see. So, if I were to make a game in which you make a fantasy pet and feed it stuff you grow on a farm, then it's unlikely that would count as patent infringement on their part? Especially if I don't add any combat and just have the pets as little friends? Or would they find a bullsh-t reason to claim as such?

And yet it still didn't sell as much as Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, and if those had been released in better shape, no one would be anywhere close to this up in arms about this lawsuit or exaggeratedly praising Pocketpal or doing their little sour grapes routines about everything and everyone related to Pokemon.

"LEAVE THE BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY ALOOOOONE!!!!!"

Uh huh, pointing out an inconvenient fact = being a shrieking corporate dick sucker who thinks they can do no wrong, of course.

That's the thing. They can't make the patent due to prior art thing. But they made it sound so obtuse that nobody prob picked up on it.
Like Palworld can just point to like hunter class in wow that came in 2004 and most judges would instantly dismiss the lawsuit.
The problem is that you still gotta be able to like reinforce the lawsuit. And nintendo has more money than integrity.
We shall see how it goes but according to american lawyers they'd have a absurdly hard time actually reinforcing this. But that doesn't stop them from throwing it at people in lawyer speak if they want to.

The thing is they know this is not legal. They are just doing it coz they can. Like there need to be some actual repricussions and people at Nintendo getting thrown in jail for misuse of power and patents.
But again this is all about how fucking outdated that system is for stuff like video games.
Can't wait till Capcom patents hitting virtual creature with a big virtual weapon.

The thing is they know this is not legal. They are just doing it coz they can. Like there need to be some actual repricussions and people at Nintendo getting thrown in jail for misuse of power and patents.
But again this is all about how fucking outdated that system is for stuff like video games.
Can't wait till Capcom patents hitting virtual creature with a big virtual weapon.

All completely valid criticisms.

Yeah this company has turned more evil than anyone could imagine. They were getting too big once they decided to build a theme park. They're quickly becoming Japanese Disney.

Oh nintendo has always been horrible. They are just finally going full villain arc lately.

You know it's literally one section of an existing park, right?

That is literally not what the patent is referring to, Nintendo does not fucking MAKE Pokemon games, Pal world was never a threat nor representative of anything Pokemon should or ever would be, and gameplay mechanic patents have been a thing most companies do for decades and nothing has ever come of them.

That doesn't prevent them from abusing it like Nintendo does. They are sueing palworld over an ability to mount a creature in a video game. Let that sink in.
And they did get the patent for basiclly a pokemon game. It's whether or not they'll enforce it. And you know they'll only use that on small indies like Nexomon 3 to just shut them in tracks. And Palworld is a threat coz it was like the first pokemon clone that is actually threatening them where they make money. And that's merch. They just shit out a new pokemone game made for peanuts just to get more merch out there and palworld actually got them scared on that front. That's the reason they are trying to delete the game from existance.
Also I'm pretty sure if this whole patent thing works out it'll become a wild west of companies just seizing anything they can.
And yes patent is so vague that a monster summon in yu gi oh attacking another one would be a reason nitendo could put them to court. Of course they wouldn't win but they could do it. The indie dev going against that still need to pay for court procedures. And that was always their tactic. Don't make competing product just stomp out the competition.
And yea Palworld is not a representive of what Pokemon be. Coz pokemon games will always be like 3 generation behind anyone else coz they can get away with it. Palworld just showed to people that hey look a good pokemon looking game that hit mainstream. Digimon games have been better pokemon games for years. But those never got any attention.

Wow, alright, buckle in, cause this is gonna be a lengthy read.

Okay, the thing about the mounts is that Nintendo believes Pocketpair lifted the ride mechanics from Legends Arceus, they're not coming after the horses, chocobos and Rathalos or whatever. As for the newest patent, it's related specifically to a Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee feature reused in Scarlet and Violet that Nintendo claims Palworld has plagiarized. It does not in any way relate to simply "summoning a character" and is in no way similar to the mechanics used in Final Fantasy, Yu-Gi-Oh, Persona, Digimon, Baldur's Gate or anything else the scaremonger brigade is naming as things they believe are "in danger" because they think this whole lawsuit is the start of Nintendo's nefarious plot to burn down the entire industry and destroy all video games not made and/or published by them. Also, as pointed out, many game companies have filed similar patents that cover a particular game mechanic. This has been commonplace for decades and nothing has ever come of it. Sega patented the first-person view in Virtua Racer. Namco patented the use of minigames in loading screens. This is nothing new, and if you're gonna make that your hill to die on, you'll have to put a lot of publishers on your hit list. Granted, the patent office shouldn't have let this one pass, but they're incredibly uneducated when it comes to game mechanics, and let's be real as hell here, Nintendo is unlikely to ever seek enforcement of it outside of this lawsuit, a lawsuit that really started over Palworld's shameless copying of PokeBall mechanics with the laughably blatant Pal Spheres, a mechanic that Nintendo has actually held a patent for since at least 2021.

>Palworld is a threat coz it was like the first pokemon clone that is actually threatening them

Ha ha yeah no. That'd be Yokai Watch. Christ, it should say a lot that Nintendo wasn't trying to sue Level-5 over Yokai Watch, which (unlike Palworld, which still didn't manage to outsell ScarVio, which ended up among the highest-selling Switch games ever in spite of everyone and their grandma clowning on it) actually DID outdo Pokemon in Japan for a short time. Hell, American media outlets even started preemptively calling it "the Pokemon killer", talking like it would force an unceremonious end to Pokemon as a franchise any day now. The sudden huge success of Yokai Watch really DID make GameFreak nervous for a moment, and so GameFreak studied Yokai Watch and what it was doing and made motions to incorporate similar features into future Pokemon games, like the Z-Ring in Sun and Moon. There's also the simple fact that Palworld is a very different kind of game once you get past the initial "Pokemon with guns and slave labour" thing it relied on to gain attention, and it has an IMMENSELY different target audience. It showed absolutely nothing interesting or unique that Pokemon could or would ever do, and once the novelty of enslaving and butchering Pals and being able to capture and do the same to the Team Rocket stand-ins wore off, so did a lot of its popularity. If ScarVio had been as good as Sword and Shield or Legends Arceus upon release (and don't try to Sonic Cycle gaslight me on this one, people did generally like those games), no one would've cared half as much about "putting GameFreak's feet to the fire" with Palworld.

>They just shit out a new pokemone game made for peanuts just to get more merch out there and palworld actually got them scared on that front. That's the reason they are trying to delete the game from existance.

Jesus fucking Christ, they're not trying to delete the goddamn game from existence, that is SUCH a load of hyperbolic nonsense. And what merch sales are being affected by Palworld exactly? Is there a big line of Palworld toys, plushies, statues, etc. that I missed out on that kids are lining up around the block with their parents to buy? Is there a hit Palworld anime I'm not aware of? Are people currently treating Palworld cards like a big get-rich-quick scheme? Don't even kid yourself, Palworld ultimately didn't make a dent in the insane profits pulled in annually by Pokemon.

And I'm only saying this one more time: THEY do not make Pokemon games! THEY have their TPCI division tell the actually pretty tiny and increasingly overworked Pokemon dev team at GameFreak that they have smaller timeframes and budgets to make bigger and more overambitious AAA open-world games! Like, fuck's sake, do you actually think that if Nintendo themselves were assigning one their first-party dev squads to make these that they wouldn't turn out better? "Why is Nintendo suing instead of making better Pokemon games?!" Because lawyers aren't game developers and Pokemon games aren't made by Nintendo, just like GameFreak didn't exactly force themselves to make ScarVio within barely a year!

>And yes patent is so vague that a monster summon in yu gi oh attacking another one would be a reason nitendo could put them to court.

Mmmyeah, no it wouldn't. Nintendo wouldn't waste time and money on a lawsuit they'd have a precisely 0% chance of winning, over something that doesn't even apply.

I get that a lot of people really buy into this image of Nintendo as this evil lawsuit-happy oppressor, and I feel stems entirely from being sore about Nintendo's draconian stances over how their IPs are used. Is it fair of them? I dunno, but I do know that if I owned an IP as absolutely massive as Pokemon, the literal biggest and most valuable multimedia franchise ever made, I'd prefer having the last word on it and would defend my trademarks and ownership of it. I'm not gonna pretend that Nintendo hasn't done plenty of scummy shit, particularly since Iwata died and Reggie retired, but it's also worth acknowledging that sending a C&D letter to some fan developers working on a very visible Pokemon Mystery Dungeon remake that they don't have the rights to isn't "suing" them. If anything, it's giving them an out before they can actually be sued. I think people who still make fan games or fan remakes of Nintendo properties should know full well that they're not going to be the one project to soften Nintendo's hearts and convince them to let folks make their own Mario games with blackjack and hookers. Even the freedom given to the Mother fandom still carries the stipulation that your projects can't go against the spirit of the official trilogy.

Nintendo and TPCI are focusing on patent infringements because no matter how blatantly many of the Pals may be ripping off actual existing Pokemon (seriously, one of them is a reskinned Lucario, another is just an even more overtly sexualized pink Salazzle with Aerodactyl's jaw, one Pal added in an expansion last year was literally a goth Gardevoir right down to the faux-French name...), Pocketpair would ultimately have plausible deniability on their side and Nintendo wouldn't have a legal leg to stand on. I mean, how many helmet-wearing, bike-riding bug-themed superheroes exist in Japan? Toei can't sue all of them to protect Kamen Rider. How many dime-a-dozen isekai light novel anime star the same discount Kirito? And yet they're all allowed to coexist with Sword Art Online. But patented game mechanics? Yes, sorry to break it to you, but Nintendo has some weight there. I'd like to really drive it home here, Pocketpair is not this bunch of sweet innocent angels fighting against a tyrannical greedy demon corporation out to slaughter aspiring indie projects. And it's definitely worth noting that there's historical evidence of Nintendo not making moves against other monster taming games like Cassette Beasts, Temtem, Robopon, Dragon Quest Monsters, Monster Rancher, Keitai Denju Telefang, Bistro Recipe, Shin Megami Tensei, etc. In fact, note that all of the monster taming games I've mentioned have unique mechanics for capturing monsters: Negotiating with demons, spawning monsters from real-world physical media, hatching monsters from eggs, gaining monsters following a random battle, creating monsters by cooking food and slapping a magical card onto it, containing monsters in cards or cassettes... I don't like having to spell out to a bunch of presumed adults how these games are all significantly different from each other, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that for a bunch of people intent on showing Nintendo that you don't need Pokemon when there are so many substitutes, very few of you have ever PLAYED THEM!

All this is to say Nintendo isn't nearly as legally frivolous as everyone likes to claim. Nintendo and TPCI wouldn't have pursued this if they didn't feel like there was a genuine case.

>And yea Palworld is not a representive of what Pokemon be. Coz pokemon games will always be like 3 generation behind anyone else

Or maybe it's because, as outlined earlier, Palworld is in no way representative of what a Pokemon game would ever do.

Oh, and you wanna talk about Pokemon-esque games getting no attention? First off, Cassette Beasts. A game Nintendo released on their own platform, btw, and one that has way more in common with Pokemon than Palworld. Second, less than a week before Palworld released, there were actual news headlines about Dragon Quest Monsters: The Dark Prince, one of the last games Akira Toriyama ever worked on, being sold out in Japan. And then one week after Palworld's release, it was like the game didn't even fucking exist. From then on, Dragon Quest only got brought up in the context of Palworld stans pretending the Gen 1 Pokemon designs ripped off Dragon Quest monsters so they could more easily cope with their beloved game being a work of plagiarism by design. Literally using a late legend's artwork as their own source of copium by pretending the man invented crabs, dogs and dragons.

Look, we really can't pretend this wasn't a case of Pocketpair flying way too close to the sun, and I do genuinely believe they were doing the legal equivalent of going up to Nintendo and being like "Hey, is this annoying? I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you! Are you mad?" Palworld as a game exists entirely within a conversation with Pokemon. Things like Cassette Beasts and Temtem at least took measures to ensure that they had unique aesthetics that didn't go anywhere too close to what Pokemon did. Palworld is technically a completely different game, but it still hinges on surface-level Pokemon signifiers. The Pocketpair founder hasn't exactly helped himself either with some of his past statements, like declaring that he'd never be able to work at Nintendo because he just likes to follow trends, or sharing an anecdote about how he once attended a Nintendo seminar for hopeful hires but got up and left when they brought up their design philosophy of creativity, innovation and making something unique, and it also doesn't help that Pocketpair's previous games were a shameless Breath of the Wild ripoff, a Hollow Knight wannabe and an Among Us-flavoured generative AI "art" game. Palworld got to where it is by virtue of having the identity of "the Pokemon game those LAZY HACKS at GameFreak don't want you to play cause they just make sloppy slop and expect you to like it!", and Pocketpair has never done ANYTHING to dispel that. They got drunk on the controversy and spitefulness they were enabling, and now they're paying the price. Not to mention this all really only happened because of the state ScarVio launched in. Without that, Palworld wouldn't be anything but a footnote in gaming history. Palworld is, bluntly put, a generic edgy trend-chaser game that streamers and friend groups got onto because it was the "funny" flavour of the month and they wanted to stick it to the misblamed GameFreak. Nothing more.

One last note of particular importance: I notice a lot of Pokemon "fans" of the variety that do nothing but retroactively dump ass on it and claim it's been the exact same shitty game for x amount of years have a genuine problem recognizing that maybe their tastes have just changed, and they want to make that Pokemon's fault somehow. If you fell out of love with Pokemon, that's fine, but by asking it to ever become something it's not and never will nor should be, you're only setting yourself up for further disappointment.

The patent start with them showing of switch hardware with switch legalese and then using stuff like in a player character in world pushes a button that creates a other non playable character pop up and move to a destination where another enemy non character is and attacks. It's just like so vague and intentionally bad legalese so they can use it against Palworld. All these were also made the moment Palworld became a threat. And only way they could attack it with patents.
They did not come against the designs beacuse they can't go against those. They are legally distinctly different and those that are similar are obviously parody. Like the grass hare. Somehow makes the pokemone one look even more lazy. And not mention that honestly most of designs are ripping digimon way more off then pokemon. And their actually unique ones are way better than any new ones pokemon created. Like people who love pokemon find the silliest relations. Like this one that looks nothing like this pokemon has the same color pattern. This has never been about that and I legit got no clue how people think it is. They threw like what was it like 20 patent lawsuits and only two of them stuck. The ball and mounting thing. Which I find hilarious people are pointing the ball thing when Pockepair previous game Craftopia had the literal same mechanic in it. Like they already done it before. It was fine with that one coz nobody knew what the fuck Craftopia is. It's also a way better game than Palworld in my opinion. Sole reason I played palworld is coz friend played it with me back then. Didn't touch it since it came out. I just like to see the new ones they made and maybe play it once it's done. I'm in no rush.
Reason palworld is a problem coz it has the potential of community pokemon has and is stepping on their turf. Nintendo doesn't like people stepping on their turf. There is tons of fan made merch and stuff for palworld devs approve and are supported by them. They are not like nintendo where they'll give you an evil eye if you make profit of working with pokemon characters. There is a rumor of a anime and card game coming. And yes pocket pair is doing all this EXACTLY to piss off nintendo. And they are doing it coz they know nintendo can't win at this point. The problem lies in nintendo being the yakuza they are and pulling all the stops to crush them for something they wanted to make an example of. Palworld was supposed to be a show of power to make anyone else not dare to even think to make a pokemon game without paying royalties to nintendo. Reason yokai watch and monster hunter stories can get away with it and b e succeful is coz they are nintendo approved first to not go after them. A some other company that gives the middle finger to nintendo and makes a better game that like does millions of numbers in sales is a threat. Palworld was supposed to die in legal fees but they are being supported by tons of big companies that can give them the money to outlast nintendo relentless lawyer attacks. Also yes nintendo claim now is that they want the game erased totally if they win. Like deleted from stores. Non existent along paying the "damages".
Palworld was a phenomenon just as big as when pokemon came out. Sure it won't like kill pokemon but it's taking eyes off pokemon. And big companies the thing they hate most is when they think someone else is taking the money they could be earning.
Yes a lot of companies have patents. But they never enforce them. Because unlike nintendo they got morals to not go against games. Like Sega could totally just sue Spark and Freedom Planet games if they wanted to. The problem here is if nintendo starts using it and actually gets away with you can bet your ass Capcom is filing a patent for smacking a virutal monster with a giatn virtual weapon and using their parts to make virtual gear. At this point SEGA could just get a patent for picking up item boxes on a virtual car and throw it at mario kart or any other racer out there to make sure crossworlds is a success. It's that potential that could create problems. And we all know AAA industry is ran by money greedy lunatics that would strip you of anything possible to get more money and kill the competition so they are the only game in town.
Sure new pokemone games will sell. So will any new call of duty. That doesn't mean the product is good.

And yes I have played tons of pokemon clones and some of them are good some of them are not. Didn't play casette beasts coz I found the edge from trailer pretty cringe so cant say bout that but temtem was pretty mid. World of Final Fantasy, Cyber Sleuth, Nexomon 1 and 2, Coromon, Aethermancer, Risimon demo, Time Stranger demo, Monster sanctuary, Zanzarah The Hidden Portal, Re:Legend, Dicefolk are some I can take as my favorites from top of my head. I don't need to worry bout a new Pokemon game I'm not gonna enjoy and just play something else.

Also this has never been about JUST the palworld thing. If it was JUST that I'd just point to nintendo and laugh like lol morons. This has to do with price gauging people of switch 2, making their older hardware more expensive, overpriced games ,1MB switch 2 60 fps code for 20€, the anti consumer practices with key cards and bricking consoles it just all piles up.

Like look I saw you pretty much went on a hate boner for everyone here and feel like some random dude internet saying pokemon is a bad game somehow offended you.
Also one dude going fuck Nintendo is not gonna make a dent in their stuff. My opinion on this is like a grain of sand. It does not matter.
Sole reason I'm even writing this is coz I got OCD and autism and I like writing big rant texts because I like clicking my buttons on keyboard to make clicky noises.

You can like Nintendo. You can see Palworld as one being in the wrong here. But as I said before I got my opinion on this situation and I made my choice and nothing you said here really changes it. I already know of all of this and it doesn't impact it one bit, same way nothing I wrote here will impact yours if you even bothered to read any of it.

Just don't go attacking other people on journal is all I ever ask when I get some of nintendo crazies in here.
At least I wasn't called a Nazi for not liking Pokemon on this one yet so I'll take that as a positive.