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5 days ago
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:61272772
Wow. Blocked me on all platforms, even erased all record of our interactions on our personal Discord server, because I said no "context" could justify Charlie Kirk saying unambiguously racist shit, cheering on political violence when it suits him, and advocating for things like gays being stoned to death and preteen rape victims being forced to give birth. Even after I made it very clear that no, I do not condone what was done to Kirk, when I was under the impression that the people who DO would be the ones you cut off. You're willing to end a nearly 20-year friendship over that? Okay. Good to know the only view you'll accept is the one you say I can have, just wish I'd known sooner.
Here's hoping you come back down to Earth and unfuck yourself someday, I guess. I'm so very FUCKING sorry that I hold the "radical leftist" viewpoint of not being a racist, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, science-denying, Bible-thumping bigot and not mourning a man who'd have loved very much to see many of my friends dead!
Let me be clear, I in NO WAY condone or advocate for political violence. I do not think Charlie Kirk deserved to die or that he had it coming. What was done to him was abhorrent. I feel horrible for everyone who had to witness it live, and for his preschool-age kids who were also present and have now lost their father. The people celebrating his death, asking for more political figures to be assassinated and calling for his wife and kids to be next are psychopaths and they deserve all the consequences they're facing. But make no mistake, the more I learned about the kind of man Charlie Kirk was, the less sad I felt for the loss of him. I'm not happy he was killed, I'm just not gonna cry over him. It fucking floors me that there are people who view Charlie Kirk as a leader and a hero. A leader and a hero who is known to have said
- gun violence deaths are "a reasonable price to pay for preserving the Second Amendment"
- gay people should be stoned to death and doing so is "God's perfect law", a statement he made in response to Ms. Rachel quoting the Bible's "Love thy neighbour" bit in a video to teach her child audience about LGBT acceptance
- empathy is a made-up new-age concept that does more harm than good
- most people are scared when they learn a black pilot is flying their plane
- Taylor Swift should reject feminism and submit to her husband
- liberals should not be allowed to move to red states
- Martin Luther King Jr. was an awful person and the 1964 Civil Rights Act was "a huge mistake"
- George Floyd had it coming and the cop who murdered him was just doing what he was trained to do
- David DePape, the man who attempted to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and violently asaulted her husband with a hammer, should be bailed out by "a patriot"
- British colonialism made the world decent
- religious freedom should be terminated (and yet I'm sure he'd have had a very different opinion if asked what he thought of Muslim nations without religious freedom)
- women's natural place is under their husbands' control
- multiple black politicians "stole" their spots from white ones
- hydroxychloroquine cures COVID-19
- young women working on getting college degrees and pursuing careers need to focus on finding husbands and having children instead
- abortion is worse than the Holocaust
- no one should be allowed to retire
- Palestine doesn't exist
- mandatory vaccinations of any kind are "medical apartheid"
- parents should actively prevent their daughters from taking birth control
- Muslims only came to America to destabilize and destroy its civilization
- if he had a 10-year-old daughter who got raped and ended up pregnant from it, he'd force her against her will to carry her rapist's baby to term and give birth to it
And all of this is verifiable.
Yeah, forgive me if I'm not crying for him.
Actually, I'm not done yet--want some more inflammatory and callous public statements he made? Well, he's the origin of the baseless bullshit about Haitian migrants eating people's pets that was so infamously brought up by Trump during his last presidential candidate debate against Kamala Harris. He openly described American college campuses as battlefields overrun by "enemies" and accused liberals in academia of being "totalitarian censors". At a rally, he said "The radical left will pay for what they've done to our country." This phrase, and others like "the time for talk is nearly over", have been construed by observers as veiled threats, especially given the intense climate at his events. He not too long ago posted "Get ready for war--our values are under attack." On his show and social media, he frequently used the language of impending or active war against the left. He encouraged supporters to "take action" when "the government comes for your guns", a classic far-right talking point encouraging armed resistance. He said "the cure cannot be worse than the disease", which was echoed by the armed militia groups protesting pandemic restrictions and those calling for violence against public health officials. And let's not forget this gem: "If you're not angry yet, you're not paying attention, and angry people change history." He repeatedly said this at mass gatherings, often accompanied by calls to "fight back by any means necessary."
Kirk's entire style was to maintain a flimsy veil of plausible deniability while hinting at more extreme elements to his intended audience. He rarely directly called for violence, but his rhetorical choices, especially since 2020, were--at best--dangerously close to incitements. He encouraged stochastic terrorism, he just couched it as free speech and open-minded debate. He never conceded when he was wrong and always moved the goalposts because his point was to radicalize people. And it's very, VERY telling that when one of the attendees at a previous event asked "When do we start killing them?" and he responded with "No, that's what the left wants, to incite you to violence" and began condemning political violence, he was booed by his own audience.
And the ironic thing is, he paved the way for people like Nick Fuentes, who it turns out his own killer was a big fan of. Tyler Robinson apparently hated Charlie for not being alt-right enough, and for actually condemning Israel's actions during a beef he was having with Nick. And once news came out of the shooter being a white, cisgender republican from Utah, of course all the far-right political figures who'd been calling for mass killings of liberals, air raids on blue states, all-out civil war, more deportations, the extermination of trans women, etc. rushed to scrub their socials of evidence faster than the DoJ could scrub Trump's name from the Epstein files.
But yeah, ultimately, if not bowing down and declaring him forgiven of all wrongdoing because some dipshit on Twitter decided to claim all the records of what he's said are "fake news" makes me a bad person, then fuck it, I'm the bad guy. Duh.
Addendum: Yeah, hi, friends of his making me out to be a lunatic because you don't like that I'm not bending over and adopting your views. None of this is historical revisionism, btw, sorry to break it to you.
Have a heapin' helpin' of sources, chucklefucks.
Black pilots: https://tinyurl.com/ye2x8v6y https://tinyurl.com/bdcv5tpu
Taylor Swift: https://tinyurl.com/5n6t5km3
Retirement: https://tinyurl.com/bdh8kyzn
Leftists in red states: https://tinyurl.com/mv5yvc4s
British Empire: https://tinyurl.com/yc46nppm
Pelosi: https://tinyurl.com/mrxyp5s6
Religious freedom: https://tinyurl.com/2jzrxhm6
Blacks "stealing spots": https://tinyurl.com/nu86ncup
MLK Jr: https://tinyurl.com/3ec4tn69
COVID: https://tinyurl.com/n275th6y
Vaccine apartheid: https://tinyurl.com/4ukc73tn
Gun deaths: https://tinyurl.com/55z5sx83
Women's role: https://tinyurl.com/438p5khf
Birth control: https://tinyurl.com/4asfjp8v
George Floyd: https://tinyurl.com/yr3hw6na
Civil Rights Act: https://tinyurl.com/ypw3jrh2
Palestine: https://tinyurl.com/muy78tx9
Assorted audio proof, including proof of him saying yes to the 10-year-old rape victim hypothetical, also available here: https://bsky.app/profile/gingerkap2...../3lypzokzipc2u
God, y'know, I'd love to know where all your fucking outrage was this past June, when Melissa Hortman, her husband and their DOG were all shot dead in their home by a Trumpanzee. Oh wait, right, half your camp didn't give 1/4 of a fuck and the other half reacted with glee and mockery.
Addendum 2: Okay, so...
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:61273682
Look, bro, if you're gonna insult me, do it to my face, and if you're gonna sing the praises of Charlie Kirk, at least know how to identify him. The man in the "Change My Mind" signboard meme is Stephen Crowder, not Charlie Kirk, and Kirk makes Crowder look great by comparison. Also, Kirk's idea of "debate" was basically just attempting to steamroll his opponent, who'd usually be an impressionable college student, shifting goalposts and answering questions with questions so he'd never have to concede to being wrong about anything and could make the opponent look foolish to those who agree with him. He was like a religious protester at an anime convention, debating him was an utterly fruitless endeavor.
But yeah, sorry I got emotional over the sudden end of what until that moment was a close friendship and proceeded to reaffirm that I don't support what was done to Kirk but also that he held verifiably terrible beliefs. Because contrary to what social media would have you believe, two things can be true at the same fucking time. Didn't know stating facts and providing proof is what people these days consider to be irrational and illogical.
Wow. Blocked me on all platforms, even erased all record of our interactions on our personal Discord server, because I said no "context" could justify Charlie Kirk saying unambiguously racist shit, cheering on political violence when it suits him, and advocating for things like gays being stoned to death and preteen rape victims being forced to give birth. Even after I made it very clear that no, I do not condone what was done to Kirk, when I was under the impression that the people who DO would be the ones you cut off. You're willing to end a nearly 20-year friendship over that? Okay. Good to know the only view you'll accept is the one you say I can have, just wish I'd known sooner.
Here's hoping you come back down to Earth and unfuck yourself someday, I guess. I'm so very FUCKING sorry that I hold the "radical leftist" viewpoint of not being a racist, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, science-denying, Bible-thumping bigot and not mourning a man who'd have loved very much to see many of my friends dead!
Let me be clear, I in NO WAY condone or advocate for political violence. I do not think Charlie Kirk deserved to die or that he had it coming. What was done to him was abhorrent. I feel horrible for everyone who had to witness it live, and for his preschool-age kids who were also present and have now lost their father. The people celebrating his death, asking for more political figures to be assassinated and calling for his wife and kids to be next are psychopaths and they deserve all the consequences they're facing. But make no mistake, the more I learned about the kind of man Charlie Kirk was, the less sad I felt for the loss of him. I'm not happy he was killed, I'm just not gonna cry over him. It fucking floors me that there are people who view Charlie Kirk as a leader and a hero. A leader and a hero who is known to have said
- gun violence deaths are "a reasonable price to pay for preserving the Second Amendment"
- gay people should be stoned to death and doing so is "God's perfect law", a statement he made in response to Ms. Rachel quoting the Bible's "Love thy neighbour" bit in a video to teach her child audience about LGBT acceptance
- empathy is a made-up new-age concept that does more harm than good
- most people are scared when they learn a black pilot is flying their plane
- Taylor Swift should reject feminism and submit to her husband
- liberals should not be allowed to move to red states
- Martin Luther King Jr. was an awful person and the 1964 Civil Rights Act was "a huge mistake"
- George Floyd had it coming and the cop who murdered him was just doing what he was trained to do
- David DePape, the man who attempted to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and violently asaulted her husband with a hammer, should be bailed out by "a patriot"
- British colonialism made the world decent
- religious freedom should be terminated (and yet I'm sure he'd have had a very different opinion if asked what he thought of Muslim nations without religious freedom)
- women's natural place is under their husbands' control
- multiple black politicians "stole" their spots from white ones
- hydroxychloroquine cures COVID-19
- young women working on getting college degrees and pursuing careers need to focus on finding husbands and having children instead
- abortion is worse than the Holocaust
- no one should be allowed to retire
- Palestine doesn't exist
- mandatory vaccinations of any kind are "medical apartheid"
- parents should actively prevent their daughters from taking birth control
- Muslims only came to America to destabilize and destroy its civilization
- if he had a 10-year-old daughter who got raped and ended up pregnant from it, he'd force her against her will to carry her rapist's baby to term and give birth to it
And all of this is verifiable.
Yeah, forgive me if I'm not crying for him.
Actually, I'm not done yet--want some more inflammatory and callous public statements he made? Well, he's the origin of the baseless bullshit about Haitian migrants eating people's pets that was so infamously brought up by Trump during his last presidential candidate debate against Kamala Harris. He openly described American college campuses as battlefields overrun by "enemies" and accused liberals in academia of being "totalitarian censors". At a rally, he said "The radical left will pay for what they've done to our country." This phrase, and others like "the time for talk is nearly over", have been construed by observers as veiled threats, especially given the intense climate at his events. He not too long ago posted "Get ready for war--our values are under attack." On his show and social media, he frequently used the language of impending or active war against the left. He encouraged supporters to "take action" when "the government comes for your guns", a classic far-right talking point encouraging armed resistance. He said "the cure cannot be worse than the disease", which was echoed by the armed militia groups protesting pandemic restrictions and those calling for violence against public health officials. And let's not forget this gem: "If you're not angry yet, you're not paying attention, and angry people change history." He repeatedly said this at mass gatherings, often accompanied by calls to "fight back by any means necessary."
Kirk's entire style was to maintain a flimsy veil of plausible deniability while hinting at more extreme elements to his intended audience. He rarely directly called for violence, but his rhetorical choices, especially since 2020, were--at best--dangerously close to incitements. He encouraged stochastic terrorism, he just couched it as free speech and open-minded debate. He never conceded when he was wrong and always moved the goalposts because his point was to radicalize people. And it's very, VERY telling that when one of the attendees at a previous event asked "When do we start killing them?" and he responded with "No, that's what the left wants, to incite you to violence" and began condemning political violence, he was booed by his own audience.
And the ironic thing is, he paved the way for people like Nick Fuentes, who it turns out his own killer was a big fan of. Tyler Robinson apparently hated Charlie for not being alt-right enough, and for actually condemning Israel's actions during a beef he was having with Nick. And once news came out of the shooter being a white, cisgender republican from Utah, of course all the far-right political figures who'd been calling for mass killings of liberals, air raids on blue states, all-out civil war, more deportations, the extermination of trans women, etc. rushed to scrub their socials of evidence faster than the DoJ could scrub Trump's name from the Epstein files.
But yeah, ultimately, if not bowing down and declaring him forgiven of all wrongdoing because some dipshit on Twitter decided to claim all the records of what he's said are "fake news" makes me a bad person, then fuck it, I'm the bad guy. Duh.
Addendum: Yeah, hi, friends of his making me out to be a lunatic because you don't like that I'm not bending over and adopting your views. None of this is historical revisionism, btw, sorry to break it to you.
Have a heapin' helpin' of sources, chucklefucks.
Black pilots: https://tinyurl.com/ye2x8v6y https://tinyurl.com/bdcv5tpu
Taylor Swift: https://tinyurl.com/5n6t5km3
Retirement: https://tinyurl.com/bdh8kyzn
Leftists in red states: https://tinyurl.com/mv5yvc4s
British Empire: https://tinyurl.com/yc46nppm
Pelosi: https://tinyurl.com/mrxyp5s6
Religious freedom: https://tinyurl.com/2jzrxhm6
Blacks "stealing spots": https://tinyurl.com/nu86ncup
MLK Jr: https://tinyurl.com/3ec4tn69
COVID: https://tinyurl.com/n275th6y
Vaccine apartheid: https://tinyurl.com/4ukc73tn
Gun deaths: https://tinyurl.com/55z5sx83
Women's role: https://tinyurl.com/438p5khf
Birth control: https://tinyurl.com/4asfjp8v
George Floyd: https://tinyurl.com/yr3hw6na
Civil Rights Act: https://tinyurl.com/ypw3jrh2
Palestine: https://tinyurl.com/muy78tx9
Assorted audio proof, including proof of him saying yes to the 10-year-old rape victim hypothetical, also available here: https://bsky.app/profile/gingerkap2...../3lypzokzipc2u
God, y'know, I'd love to know where all your fucking outrage was this past June, when Melissa Hortman, her husband and their DOG were all shot dead in their home by a Trumpanzee. Oh wait, right, half your camp didn't give 1/4 of a fuck and the other half reacted with glee and mockery.
Addendum 2: Okay, so...
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:61273682
Look, bro, if you're gonna insult me, do it to my face, and if you're gonna sing the praises of Charlie Kirk, at least know how to identify him. The man in the "Change My Mind" signboard meme is Stephen Crowder, not Charlie Kirk, and Kirk makes Crowder look great by comparison. Also, Kirk's idea of "debate" was basically just attempting to steamroll his opponent, who'd usually be an impressionable college student, shifting goalposts and answering questions with questions so he'd never have to concede to being wrong about anything and could make the opponent look foolish to those who agree with him. He was like a religious protester at an anime convention, debating him was an utterly fruitless endeavor.
But yeah, sorry I got emotional over the sudden end of what until that moment was a close friendship and proceeded to reaffirm that I don't support what was done to Kirk but also that he held verifiably terrible beliefs. Because contrary to what social media would have you believe, two things can be true at the same fucking time. Didn't know stating facts and providing proof is what people these days consider to be irrational and illogical.
Maybe I should've seen it coming long ago though. Hell, maybe I should've listened to my other friends and cut him off first when he began saying shit on Twitter like "Wither Islam, Deus Vult" and going off about how trans people who wish to have the bottom surgery are unwell and need therapy.
Wow, and now look at what else he's saying--just like that, "[I'm] behind [him] now" and he's talking about me spinning "fiction". Five hours ago, this was someone who considered me a good friend. And all because I won't cry for Saint Charlie, bro talks like I'm a fucking disease.
Context... BAH. The context is that Charlie Kirk was an asshole. Do I support him being shot? No. But I'm not going to call him a 'peaceful man.' I'm not that deluded.
I'm solidly with you on this, ElClid.
So am I supposed to take from this that he just got that big mad about me being in the right here and is as unwilling to concede as Kirk was, or that he fully believes those are perfectly fine things to say and is just that shocked and offended that I'd suggest otherwise?