If it wrights your day a bit, yesterday protesters in Madrid (Spain) boicoted successful and historically kicked out israel riders from EU Cycling Tour.
The winners, of course, were pro-Palestine

If you lose followers from this take, good riddance to them.

You can condemn the violence without celebrating the man. There was a pastor who put out a video that said "How a person died does not excuse how they lived." It's terrible that it happened, I feel bad for his children and all the students who are no doubt traumatized by seeing such an act of violence right in front of them, but I'm not about to say Charlie Kirk was a good man, because he wasn't.

The reason people care more about this one man as opposed to a school shooting, is becuase he spoke to people of different view points and tried to open dialog.
He was killed for his point of view, a lot of which came from his Christian beliefs.
He wasn't running for president, governor, senator, or a mayor. He wasn't financing any laws to be pushed, even though he had voiced support for many.

He pointed out in several of his speeches that when people stop communicating, that's when we get violence.

He said the civil rights act was a mistake. That's not an opposing viewpoint, it's just nonsense

That is, by definition, an opposing view point.
He believed 1 thing, others believed something different.

Do you believe the civil rights act was a mistake?

Do you believe he should have been killed for having a different view point?

So that's a yes lmao. Anybody who cannot answer such a point blank question honestly answers everything without answering it
I don't condone violence. That being said, kirk didn't believe in empathy and also felt some shootings were necessary to protect the 2nd amendment, so I'll let his own final words speak for themselves.

Your completely wrong.
My point of view has nothing to do with the original comment which was, what is the definition of a different point of view.
Second. You literally know nothing about Charlie argument aginst the civil rights act. You only know what your talking heads have told you, and what poorly edited clips from left leaning sources show you.
His stand on the civil rights act was grossly taken out of context. And to the point, the context matters.

Here is a link that you Will ignore becuase CNN told you too.

https://www.anthonydelgado.net/blog.....-was-a-mistake

At the end of the day. He was willing to hear other people's sides and open dialog, but much like you, the left refused to hear anything that didn't fit there agenda.

You still didn't answer my question btw, just a lot of waffle about how saying something outta pocket is so out of context when it was very much in context and shown in it's entirety by multiple sources. I don't watch CNN, not sure what that has to do with anything.
charlie kirk had nothing but gross things to say about black people, his opinions were rooted in old world nonsense. His appeal was mostly to undereducated, mediocre males. Educated people are easily able to pick apart his terrible arguments, that's why he had to go debate college freshmen and any time he tried to debate an actual expert he got crushed.

For starters, I dont need to answer your question. Its an Ad hominem.

And while I'm guilty of a Hasty generalization, you have exclusively replied with logical fallacies.

False analogy 1st comment.

Strawman 2nd comment

Circular reasoning 3rd comment

And no true scotsman for your 4th.

There is no discussion with you.

Whatever anyone says that is contrary to your point of view is justifiably ignored by inability to use reason or logic.

While I may be wrong, I base that solely on this interaction with you.

I simply point out how a school shooting is vastly different from a political murder, and you devolved into not only trying to call me a racist, but attack almost everyone who maybe agreed with Charlie Kirk as stupid and uneducated.

This is the evil that is the modern political left.
Many people literally demonize everyone with any different opinions.
And when you start demonizing people, you start to forgot these people are humans. And that leads to some dangerous places.

Aight man. Also maybe look up what an ad hominem is before going on another debatelord rant. I asked you that question, because it's a belief charlie kirk held, espoused, and told his followers to also believe. Since you're clearly one of his VERY fragile followers, i felt it was a fair question to ask, as i feel anyone who feels the civil rights act was a mistake is absolutely not worth taking seriously in any capacity.
Also, I was basing that off of his general audience and demographics. Young males, most without college education or just a high school diploma, and on the younger side. I'm sorry if this is offensive, it's simply fact about his target demographic.
Ive never claimed to be left or right, but you seem to only be able to view things in simplistic, binary terms, which again I point to as a shared trait of kirk fans.
Also also, I don't need to try to call you anything. If i wanna call you a racist, I simply would. Personally I don't think it's something that often needs to be pointed out, people tend to reveal themselves inadvertently

Also also ALSO, kirk was attacked by a right wing white dude, not some far left extremist. So if you wanna be mad at somebody, maybe go deal with them? theres clearly a violent growing division on the right and i feel like diverting attention to faux outrage over some edgy memes, and capin for a podcaster is all to distract from the very obvious problem that's growing within the right wing movement and spiraling out of control

Additionally, we know now that the shooter essentially killed him for not being ENOUGH of an alt-right bigot shitlord.

Bro you are so right 100%. I never thought I would say this, but some things never change.

I noticed you have nothing more to say after your debatebro meltdown.

Hating black people, queer people, and women, is not an "opposing view" chud.

>he spoke to people of different view points and tried to open dialog

N-- what the FUCK do you think school does?! Just because it was wasted on your numpty behind doesn't mean this man was worth more than the lives of dozens of children. Or even a single one.

Everything you said here makes sense to me.

Oh, I agree with you the whole thing is a farce that spits in the face of other victims of gun violence.

I think Guns are the real issue here. This is why parents wanted guns to be banned completely in the US to prevent any future school shootings. Really. Other countries banned guns like the UK but the US did not which is a real shame.

I agree. People were also dead silent about the school shooting that happened the same day, the last week, when the Hortmans were murdered months ago, and when Josh Shapiro's office was firebombed. Or there was a performative "thoughts and prayers" even though they're in higher positions than a podcaster / debate bro.

I'm not sad about his death, but I can also acknowledge that the shooter appears to be a different kind of whackjob himself, and having certain opinions isn't worth being murdered over. I don't think guns should be banned or illegal either, but I really wish something could be done so shit like this isn't as rampant. It's crazy and probably only going to get worse from here.

Hell, it wasn't even just the Hortmans, their murderer decided to leave no life in the damn house and shot their sweet 4-year-old golden retriever to death too. Christ, you'd think that alone would've gotten more people enraged and talking about what happened, but nope. And it astounds me to no end that people demanding we mourn Kirk have invariably pointed out that his kids have been robbed of their father, while not giving even the smallest fraction of a fuck about the kids who were robbed of their lives that same day at a different school. It's like the majority of Americans have become so numb to school shootings that it doesn't even fucking register when one happens anymore unless the shooter was some minority the alt-right can then demand the removal or extermination of.

I think people are so desensitized to gun violence that when they hear about a school shooting or multiple people getting shot, it's just "a statistic" if it isn't someone they know. But if it's a single person, then it matters more.
What a broken society...

Anyone who unfollows because of this doesn't deserve your time anyways. The dude was a bigot who made money off of the grift of saying hateful things, he didn't deserve to die but I won't lose sleep over it.

100% behind you on all of this.

Every word that comes out of your mouth, I strongly agree with you 100%. The US country is getting so tired of school shootings after kids already started on their first day of school.

As for Charlie Kirk, I never heard of that guy myself after what happened to him. Now some people on the internet are mocking his death due to them disliking his views and don't agree the words he says due to him and Trump are in league with each other.

"Disliking his views" buddy his views were literally advocating for the exact kind of violence that led to his death towards anyone who isnt white and cis male, this is not hard to look into.

You didn't lose a follower, you gained a friend.

I pretty much agree with you and it's the kind of thing that's largely being poorly navigated. The media's also hugely irresponsible with all this, especially his whitewashing. So, glad you agree that the outrage is huge bullshit.

You hit the nail right on the head with this.

A man who advocates gun violence dies and everyone freaks out about it. Pitiful. What kind of society IS this?

Even better, he openly disliked the very word "empathy" and believed it to be a made-up new-age idea that does more harm than good, and his fans are demanding we show it for him.

Alot of it is yes, performative. And yes alot of is also purely being used as a cudgel (because for many of these people all they have left is hate and no one can take that from them)

But keep in mind that the other side often holds itself to entirely different standards and expectations. Someone like Kirk from their ranks getting killed gets treated differently because they're important and special and part of the fight against their enemies.

If ya take a moment, even a second, to view Charlie Kirk as a brave warrior fighting against the onslaught of socialism/leftism/liberalism like a knight against infidels, this sort of reaction makes a bit more sense from some angles. (Yes, to vast majority of people he is neither of those things, but well, enough of them think he was)

politics are a topic, so i think, which shouldnt be "tackled" here.
I know your meaning, i know how you said it and yea, fairness n stuff but some actually might were on his side, others not, others others others. you know.

Its never good to talk about politics in the first place so it seems X3

Anybody "on his side" is a fucking fascist who deserves the same so lets not bothsides the guy who literally advocated for the deaths of anyone not white and cis male.

"Awful and shouldnt have happened" lol, lmao, no. Kirk got exactlt what he deserved and in fact what he was explicitly asking for!

He literally advocated for this.

All conservative moral panic is always performed, its not meaningful it is literally just distraction and reactionary bullshit.

I just got blocked from the person over me for being neutral and not wanting/taking part in this political thing. Kinda shows how people are i guess.

(my original comment i wanted to post to this person was:

again, you can say that, others say different and than again others, n others n others.
Im from germany anyway so i should care the least about that - but from what i heard and how that happend n stuff and without being political. Its still a shameful act to literally murder someone. if the person "got it comming" or something...thats something other(s) should/can debate.)

Your good man. I don't understand either. This happen to me too.

You do not understand the views, nor impacts of people on the other side of the political aisle that your views align with. That's why you feel it is performative.

School Shootings are only important to the Media if it fits certain Criteria, otherwise they do not discuss them. The political Left wants more gun free zones despite the comparisons of post gun free zones to pre gun free zones, having gun free zones established increases the amount of school shootings. It's pretty obvious why that would be.

If you care about School Shootings, you should focus more on solutions to it. Everyone on both sides of the Political scale Leftists, Rightists, be either extreme or normal, and the centers, cares about school shootings. To think one side or group doesn't is to simply dehumanize your opposition to justify why you don't listen to what they actually say and think so common ground or compromise can happen so we can move forward on any issue, whatever issues are considered important at the time.

Also, no, whether you disagree or agree with me about something is not a good foundation for friendship or for being a fan of someone. ^_^ You haven't gotten rid of me one way or the other yet! Hehe. :3 I still think your stuff is cute!

Late to the topic, but I'm also so tired of hearing people say that he tried to debate "peacefully."

Apparently, if it's words, no matter what they are, it's considered peaceful. Which is mind boggling because, obviously, that's not the case. And it's frustrating to see people lie about it to whitewash this guy.

Honestly, I want wealth taxes on the 1%, healthcare, affordable housing and reasonable working conditions for all- but most of all the release of the Epstein files. And I'm not alone as these are becoming bipartisan issues. I agree with your point, and every right wing talking point right now is being used to distract from organizing the millions of us who want that against the ... What, maybe 300 people in power who don't?

I see the whole far right movement becoming bolder about saying 'we want a fascist oligarchy' out loud, and I think they will use anything to further that goal. I don't believe any of them actually care about that man, right down to assuming the perpetrator was a trans Mexican Democrat without evidence and calling for blood, then instantly calling for prayer once it was one of their own. Further, I think our collective pushback on what is clearly hypocritical messaging is just baiting the downtrodden masses away from focusing on the talking points that serve us best.

I'm old enough to remember when most journals on FA were just people talking about their day or their artistic journeys, and now it's all scam warnings, emergency medical commissions and despair posts. I want my friends to be able to focus on art, meaningful work and personal growth. I want the people in my community to be stable enough to lift each other up. I'm sick of seeing the infinity symbol next to talented artists and friends names who i know were under 40. This timeline is bullshit. None of the current structures of power are able to dig us out of this mess.

Some of us will collectively secure our position and reach for the things our grand parents fought for- life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And for those too distracted to fight for that, I hope we make enough progress to catch you in that net too.

Thank you for this journal. I hate everything happening politically right, the paradigm and the incentives are absurd. I feel so helpless and alone against everything. But regardless of how I feel, i have to point towards the future I want to see. I have to avoid getting baited by these bad faith arguments taking my attention away from important shit that brings safety and joy to the people in MY LIFE who I love.