Agreed! LOL Yeah, I'm not a fan of cub porn, either. It disgusts me to no end and I don't see why it is even allowed on here.

Ahaha, I know... what's the difference between looking/drawing that, and watching children porn. THERE ISN'T! Ha.

I agree. It's basically sugar-coating child porn in my opinion.

Emphasis on sugar- coat.

PS I'm noting you right now :>

Hooray for notes! \o/

It's pretty crazy. You would think they'd view cub porn as a red flag or something.

I can see those people being the red dots on my neighborhood website.

Seeing the diversity of porn on this site, to be honest, it should surprise no-one.

I'm by no means surprised. My opinion is that I just don't like any of it.

Meh, Blood and gore porn disgusts me more. I honestly cant find
the appeal to it in anyway.

It's all a bit strange, but it's very difficult to phase me. I just think there's a fine line between art, and someone drawing/looking at something just to get off.

Most of the stuff on here really wasn't made for artistic prowess. More for the latter of your
comment. Ive seen great artists open an account on here purely to sell porn, whereas they
have accounts on deviantart or other communities for critiques and showcasing their finest.

There are great artists on here who do strive to get better but they are constantly dumped on
by the former.

This is true, I just felt the need to talk about something I disliked... just one of those days.

Don't worry, we all have them. :3

yeah there are some really strange shit in this fandom XC

Ha, well said!

I don't care for it, but I have no place to tell people what they can/can't make art of and what they can/can't like.

I still stand by the argument that just becuase they draw it doesn't mean they *do* it. If I draw my character gore, does that mean I go out and intentionally cut people up for the sake of sexual satisfaction? Of course not. If I draw beastiality, does that mean I fuck animals or my dog or something? HELL NO.

Art is about fantasy. Fantasy doesn't have to be a positive thing, though it is more often then not though of as a positive thing. Art is about expressing thoughts, emotions, messages, etc. Maybe art is the way some people have to be able to curb those thoughts and it keeps them from acting upon them. Then again, if someone is motivated enough, they're going to do what they're going to do. But either way, one could argue that point.

I just think it's very selfish and assholish to say "THIS DOESN'T COUNT AS ART BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT AND IT GOES AGAINST MY CULTURAL NORMS AN BELIEFS, THEREFOR IT SHOULDN'T BE ON A WEBSITE THAT REVOLVES AROUND A SUBJECT MATTER THAT ALREADY GOES AGAINST MOST PEOPLE'S TASTE AND CULTURAL NORMS".

Just my two cents.

I agree with you there. Everyone has an opinion, but you can't just force that oppinion on some one else. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not art. I myself find cub art distasteful, but others find it great or what not. I'm fine with them having their own opinion. Hell, many people probably called the Mona Lisa heresy because of certain aspects of her appearance back in the time when it was first painted.

"Art is the process or product of deliberately arranging elements in a way to affect the senses or emotions."

You have the right to like a piece of art or not like a piece of art. You can't judge if it's good or bad, that opinion.

"Art is the process or product of deliberately arranging elements in a way to affect the senses or emotions."

I like your way of describing it. Way more eloquent than childish phrasing. :P

To be honest, I picked it up from Wikipedia, but my art teacher from my old highschool had something like that on the board almost every day. XD

Childish phrasing? Ok, let's back up here ace... That phrase of art is indeed true, and so your point is that these baby fur "artists" are making these pieces to fulfill this true meaning of art? You're absolutely right!

Furries crack me up to no end... And I suppose you're the perfect example of mature phrasing, with your usage of :P :DD _0 and :___:

I actually made a typo in the earlier comment and was referring to -my- childish phrasing of what art is. Overreacting much?

Nope, just getting a tad defense like everyone else is. Seems to be the theme here.

There's no forcing my opinions on others here my friend, I'm expressing mine... and I can't judge if a piece is good or bad? Really? Interesting, that must be a new rule I have yet to hear of.

You can't force your judgment of what a good or bad piece of art is, which is what you were pushing for (with your wanting to remove babyfur art from this website).

You absolutely should have an opinion about art and whether you like or dislike the art, but that does not mean your opinion is the end-all-be-all. I dislike a good amount of art, but I also don't make a big deal about the art I dislike. If someone asks, I'll mention it. But that's it.

It takes a bit of effort to hate something, and it takes even more effort to argue why you hate something. It seems weird that you put so much effort forth in talking about how much you dislike babyfurs.

The reason I put forth my effort on these comments is very simple. All I'm asking is that you have an open mind and an open respect to other people's beliefs and ideas. Whether you like it or dislike, agree with it...it doesn't matter. If you don't like it, don't look at it, ignore it, get off the computer.

Then stop forcing your opinion on me... if you don't like what I'm saying don't look at it, ignore it, and get off the computer.

i would love to LOL and Murr it up with you lovely furries all day, but I could just care less.

You keep saying you could care less, yet you keep commenting. Kinda confusing.

I don't dislike what you're saying (actually I don't feel either way about what you say), but I still want to put forth my argument. That's how these debates work.

I never saw you before, but I'm going to have to check you out, as you've said every single thing I've been feeling on this subject in a way I couldn't intelligently, I truly wish more people understood that view. It seems to me that within the past few weeks this subject has sprung an uprising again, I know it was always a touchy subject in the history of this site but still it seems like it's been popping up everywhere on this site lately.

It's great to see another person who believes in "I don't care for it, but I have no place to tell people what they can/can't make art of and what they can/can't like.", stay awesome!

To put the idea further, why not say that if a piece contained the colour yellow it was not art? That if so much as one single spec of yellow was on a piece, it would thus no longer be classified as 'art', or 'good art', it's the same idea only put on a childish level.

I mean I understand everyone has their own opinions, but still, art is art, there will be art you like, there will be art you don't like, rather it was done poorly or extraordinarily matters not, but to classify something as 'not art' because it doesn't fit your ideals?

It took me awhile to come to this conclusion on my own. It also took this point in my life where I had the cognitive function and the maturity to be able to verbalize these viewpoints as well.

And yeah, I don't know why the baby fur topic has been coming up a lot lately. I've noticed that, too.

I don't like peas. Does that mean peas don't count as good food? This logic seems to go for everything :P

Peas and baby fur porn are completely different topics. Everyone is getting so defensive and trying to justify this topic because it's what you're into or like. I think it's disgusting, whether you agree with it or not. the color is a natural, common thing is not. Child porn is not.

I mistyped excuse me, I ment the color the yellow is natural, and child/animal porn is not. Sorry.

child/animal porn has been documented for years upon years and in a variety of cultures.

I'm not saying it's right, but it's also something humans have been doing since they've had the ability to.

Alright, what ever makes you feel better, by all means tell me all the justification you have up there. But once again the documented porn you're talking about compared to what i've seen on this site (care bear baby fur porn) are two completely different things.

I'm not going to argue about this ridiculous subject, I wrote this journal to simply express what I saw the other day, and it made me chuckle. So If you and other furries want to keep commenting me back defending this, be my guest, and keep um' coming. I just don't care enough to read and or comment back. I'm off to the real world now.

It really isn't that different in the scheme of things, but if you care to think that way, that's your opinion.

You cared enough to make the post in the first place. Might want to think next time if it's worth bringing up a subject if other people are going to challenge your beliefs and you get frustrated because of it.

You're missing my point of the whole "I posted this to just express something" bit. In the grand scheme of it all, I really don't what anyone else has to say about it. I'm done with this now.

Makes ya wanna run back to dA doesn't it? XD *walks arm in arm there with ya* :)

I never once saw you force your opinion on anyone. God forbid should you write a journal about something you dislike. You never said others couldn't enjoy it, either, just that YOU personally didn't like it.

Again, I agree with you.

*flops*

That's exactly what I've been trying to say... and yes, DA is where I mostly reside. I enjoy it better... there's much better art in those neck of the woods.

If ya know what I mean partner!

lol I'm going to have to find you on dA, too! :) It's a nice site.

Indeed it is! Next time I'm on, I'll look for ya. You should be friend me on facebook as well (I know, facebook is pretty gay) but I post my art there also.

lol I'm shaye.henson on Facebook and my dA name is the same as here. :)

Yay for porn and all that rot ;_;

I totally agree with you here. *claps* :)

Yeah, there is a reason I don't link this account with any other of my illustration sites just in case future clients decide to go snooping off my profile page... It's also why I'm not as active on here as I am on dA. Even with the mature filter on, I seem to find stuff that's not to my liking, which is okay, because I've adjusted the way I use this site so I don't have to worry about seeing it (you know, the whole, if you don't like it, don't look at it thing...). I don't browse here. I just follow people I've known from other sites, and maybe the odd few others that I've come across through people whose work I've seen before because unfortunately, some people have gotten mad at dA and have stopped posting there so I can only see their art here.

I guess people have the right to post whatever they want, but I can't help but link baby fur porn to child pornography and all that jazz. I'm not saying people who are into this stuff necessarily look at actual human babies and get ideas or anything... there's just something about it that feels very, very wrong. Out of all the things out there, it is the only fetish (or whatever it's called) that I really don't even want to bother understanding, this stuff definitely doesn't seem to be drawn for art's sake (like you said, probably drawing this stuff just to get off).

I mean, people complain about being called furries or whatever and are tired of how people not in the 'fandom' treat them, but seriously... seems like they're asking for it ._.;

/ramble

No, I completely agree- and I had no idea there was a filter on this site that you could adjust. that helps a little! Haha.

I know exactly what you mean about coming over here because of people leaving DA, it is a real shame... DA's a great art site, in my opinion.

And yes, people do have a right to do what they want, they just fail to understand that I don't view what thy're doing as being "right." A lot of the art on here (be it baby furs or whatever else) I consider to be a very amature, and immature art style... and an immature way to try and say you're an "artist," because I no damn well they're not creating these pieces to uphold the true meaning of art... and if they think what they're doing really is doing that, then I pitty and feel bad for them.

And I also agree 200% about how defensive these furrs get. They are indeed putting themselves out there, and need to understand that if you're going to have this fandom as your lifestyle and partake in these rituals and behaviours, you need to be ready to hear the worst, because you ARE putting your self out there.

:)

Yeah, even though not everyone flags stuff as mature when they should, it does help. :P

And yeah, dA is definitely the better site because you have everything there. Not just furry/animal art, but all sorts of inspiring illustrations of all genres. Art for art's sake. Seems like people think more outside the box on dA (well. for the most part, there's still a deep dark side of dA with unoriginal stuff/traces and also some creepy stuff, but eh)

But yes, totally agree with you there too. :3