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15 years ago
I'm back, and I left a quick report for anybody's who's interested here. Now, let's clear out that old journal with a question:
Are there any "what if's" in history that you find particularly interesting? In history classes the professors would always tell us to avoid speculating, but I always thought that was half of the fun of the subject! So if you like, either from alternate histories you may have read or from ideas that may have just popped into your mind one day, go right ahead and toss out some different paths that the past might have followed!
Are there any "what if's" in history that you find particularly interesting? In history classes the professors would always tell us to avoid speculating, but I always thought that was half of the fun of the subject! So if you like, either from alternate histories you may have read or from ideas that may have just popped into your mind one day, go right ahead and toss out some different paths that the past might have followed!
I also always wondered what would have happened if General Meade would have persuade General Lee and his troops after Gettysburg and trapped him at the swollen river he had to cross. Would the Civil War ended two years (more of less) early.
Would all this though have been good overall though for Europe…NO. The German political state was weak to start out with and the added territory would have made the inadequacies more glaring thus resulting in either a German Civil War or the state finding a new enemy to unify them internally or externally possibly Britain or America in this regard. So yes, another war would have been inevitable but it would have been much more deadly than the actual WWII, given the new German colonies, a more embolden Italian state, and with Russia staying neutral until it could see the possible defeat of Germany.
And, in any scenario around this time frame, let's not forget the Pacific! WWJD: What Would Japan Do? :3
As for focusing their power internally to better their governments the Kiser believed in absolute power, as did the Russian Czar (which is why he was reluctant to support the Duma) so I think the Kiser would have consolidated power more. Angering his citizens (we also have to remember they would be paying higher taxes for the army occupying ‘New Germany’ in France) and moving the Government towards a skate goat (their hated for the Jews are abundant in the Kiser’s writings and his Generals) or for another war. In other words the Flaw in the Plan is the Kiser who did not become more humble with victory but more arrogant and we must remember he now has possibly a fresh water sea port that cannot be so bottled up as it can in the North Sea (historically the British Navy loves and hates a big brother next door).
The Czar, if we assumed the Germans propped up his government during the Revolution then maybe there would have been internal governmental change and more power granted to the duma. However, the Germans would still have taken great swaths of their land and this would breed resentment in the Russian mind, their still angry is some sense with them about their WWI defeat, and they would I think still take a chance to regain their Empire. Nevertheless, yes I think they could have lasted to this day assuming that Nickolas was deposed and one of his brothers made the new Czar. Austria now, I think that possibly under Charles the First would have moved more towards a parliamentary system and could still have lasted to this day (assuming it withstood the next war between the Russians, the Germans, British, and the Americans) assuming Charles was anything like his assassinated cousin.
Overall, I think it would have been possible for at least two of these empires to survive possibly all three if the people of Germany had a civil war or major uprising before external and external government actions could have come to another war. Still, there would be another war for big navy’s breed big fears and those who control the water control the world so at the very least there would have been a Navel/Colonial war in the next 30 years after the 1915 German win. Where would this war started? In the pacific by Japan, who wanted more land and taken on China and even take on a weaken Russia, embolden by their victories and angered by the fact they could not get the supplies they needed they would have declared war upon Britain. Why, because they would have Germany on their side, with Italy, and even Austria maybe thus giving them a chance to get what they need while the British navy was on the other side of the world going after the bigger threat. However, they would still make their big mistake by making war upon the United States later on but the defeat would not have been do damaging for the Empire. Given it takes a long time to learn how to fight, the Americans have not fought one for a long time (no WWI to fight) and allot of the military innovations you need to fight an island hoping war have not been discovered yet. Given their was not a long WWI to inspire them yet (the tank and the flamethrower just to name a few).
*pictures thousands of smartly dressed military men standing at attention and shouting* "Heil Schicklgruber!!" XD
The thing is, from what William Shirer says, the name "Schicklgruber" sounds funny even in its native tongue... Given that, would even a charismatic and ambitious Adolf Schicklgruber be able to amass a following, or even be taken seriously at his political speeches? :P
Could the entire Second World War have been averted (or at least, delayed) if that priest in 1876 had not accepted Alois' petition to take his long-dead stepfather's family name? Could the very course of human history have been altered if a name was not changed? :3
But that brings up an interesting point: had Hitler not been around, could anyone else have brought about the chain of events he did? Goering, Himmler, Röhm of the SA, Ernst Thälmann of the German Communists, or Johann the dock-worker from Hamburg? How much was WWII a product of the Treaty of Versailles, and how much was it the momentum of an individual's determination and charisma, do you think?
If the Berlin wall still stood.
If North and South Korea took down the currently standing barriers and found peace.
If the Rwandan Genocide had been stopped.
I want to know what America would be like today if the 1890 massacre of Sioux at Wounded Knee had never happened.
If the U.S.S.R. had not fallen.
Etc.
HASSLEIN - "The moment when our artist, having regressed to the point of infinity, himself becomes a part of the picture he has painted and is both the Observer and the observed."
BONDS - "What, in that peculiar condition, would he observe if he were observing Time?"
HASSLEIN - "He would perceive that Time is like a freeway with an infinite number of lanes."
- Escape from the Planet of the Apes
Welcome back, Leon (I hope you don't mind me shortening that)! ^^;
That's right, whittle those subs! :O
WHITTLE THEM! \(>.<)/
It would seem that you enjoyed your trip IMMENSELY (mostly); glad to hear it man, and glad to have you back safely. ^^
In the spirit of this journal, may I pose to you a poetry what-if? I hear there are two camps on this one, one side claiming that Robert Frost was preaching non-conformism and the other side saying he was simply being ironic. So, what if Bob had taken the road more-traveled - would it have made a difference? :3
Can you say DIVERSITY?! 8D
Mmm, romantic diversity. \(-_-)/
Paradox games aside (such a fitting name), do you think that in reality anything short of a miracle (like Timur's 1399 invasion) could have prevented the Turks from storming Constantinople once the Ottomans were settled on both sides of the Bosporus? How far back from 1453 would one have to go to find a reasonable turning point where the Byzantine Empire could have revitalized itself? And, if it had, would we be looking at a Byzantine state the size of Greece, the size of Turkey, or the size of the Ottoman Empire today?
(Also, if you'd ever be interested in playing EU2 or 3 multiplayer online, I would be thrilled )
As an empire, the Byzantine was pretty much crushed at the battle of Manzikert. It hard to what could bring back a Byantine state. All you need is a continuous line of people with the foresight to make the right decisions for a nation to prosper, but only one person to make really bad decisions for it to come crashing down. Realistically I would hope for a Byzantine state controlling Greece and the Balkans up to the 20th century and maybe even today.
also my what if... what if France had taken over NZ instead of Brittain? Apart from me speaking french instead of english, I'm not entirely sure. I think a lot of things would've changed. politics, certainally inital politics would've been different. a lot more wars would've happened. maybe we'd be speaking english? who knows
And that's a very interesting one! Out of curiosity, have you done much genealogy? Do you know if any of your family came over in that initial wave of merchants and settlers? Because you're right - being initially under company control, one of those rare cases where many colonists came before it was officially part of any European empire, your ancestors may have arrived before the islands were annexed into any of the established 19th century maritime powers. You sure could have been speaking French right now!
Do you suppose the French would have treated the Maori any differently? And would the wars NZ has participated in have been much different? After all, with the exception of the Franco-Prussian War, Britain and France were allied in all major world conflicts since the time NZ became a crown colony!
Just think - as a fellow French possession, maybe that would have meant free tickets to Tahiti for everyone! :3
I haven't done much genealogy as it hasn't been much in my interests, but I do know that I have some english blood in me and like naught Maori blood. Well.. the Maori were here well before the Brittish colonists reached here and it was because the French threat (i.e. the Brittish not wanting France to get their hands on the land they'd just come across) that convinced the individual tribes to sign the Treaty of Waitangi and thus unite somewhat against the French taking over the land (there are other major points in the Treaty but yeah...)
I'm not sure how the French would've done it. I imagine it would've been very different, though things here were handled much better than what it was over in Australia (i don't know how much Australian history you know, but it wasn't very pleasant for the natives there). Possibly not as to the war thing. The major wars we were in, WWII we were mostly in the Pacific and fighting as ANZACs (in fact all wars NZ has been in (with the only exception being the Iraq invasion because the UN deemed it an illegal war and our PM at the time wanted nothing to do with that) we have gone with the Australians as ANZACs.
( there was a plan by to use gas on the invading forces )
one more if the Titanic did hit the iceberg head on instead of on the side would she has survived the first world war?
And the second is a really, really good question! Suppose it would have been pressed into service, or sat out the war?