Wow, that was the most willfully ignorant couple of posters ever.

"IT"S IN TEXT; NO SNAPSHOTS!!!11!"
It's not a snap-shot, the same effort and preparation goes into it; just because it's pixiles instead of light bending doesn't mean it's not a photo.
"TLDR TLDR I"M RIIIIIIIIGHT FFFFFF... PS, can I take pix of fursuits?"
^ you could have totally thrown that right back for lulz, post the (very easy to understand UAP) snippet .... but that would be immature I guess :(

Of course, that little clusterfuck right there did prove one thing to me, a "peer review" system for "quality of art" would ultimately prove 100% ineffective. Oh well, looks like my account's converted to lurk mode.

According to the rest of everything, Alu...

I may be -abusing- the AUP by uploading my work..

So we'll see if I get asked to remove it or not. I haven't been yet, in fact, No staff member has actually said -anything- even if only to reiterate what the AUP currently says.

It should not be allowed, period. If you want to to add photography to the site, use a real camera like I do in these examples:

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2551686/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/87232/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/86924/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/86906/

Please spare us photographers both amateur and professional the embarrassment with these "SL photographs" and upload them to a site that caters more to these sorts of screenshots of yours.

Agreed.

I can't. THey are furry.

Get it?
SL Photography - about FURRIES
is why I came here in the first place.
NO MODERATOR has removed my art yet - and yet... you all want to claim its against everything. My photograph was removed because "Your monitor was commercially available" yet the SUBJECT wasn't the monitor, and you couldn't tell it was a monitor - except by pixelations but MY work is sensored when other people are BLATANTLY out there posing shit like model cars in bad lighting with blur - those MODEL CARS weren't made entirely 100% by them. NOr was the watch on the kids wrist as a random picture added to his collection of model cars. What about the guy with a collection of bad photography of nothing to do with furs at all?

YOu all want to jump on this huge personal vendetta against me... Your the disgrace with photography Mr. HIgher Than Thou - YOU you had the bad attitude, and shitty demeaner when telling someone ELSE what their work is or isn't. YOU aren't able to determine jack about my SECONDLIFE PHOTOGRAPHY.

You don't like it? DON"T post back to me on my account. Bedcause I'll continue to reply to you with SL PHOTOGRAPHY because thats EXACTLY what it is. A photograph can be distinguished from a snapshot in real life - and I say it is the exact same thing for SL snapshots and photos. You know why if you had dared to read a stitch of what I said. You simply want to jump on someones rag and suck it dry.

YOu aren't going to change my mind and the more you come back here - the more it spurs me to author a book about the subject as an official statement that Screenshot PHOTOGRAPHY - is so - why - and HOW MORE PEOPLE CAN DO IT!

Keep replying to it, I would love to see what insight you have on the FAF thread.

I did.
They reported it. It got deleted.

What now?
Now - You all feel pride for chasing a furry off out of your community?

Is that what you want? more furrie folks to feel hated and accused and abused by the same community you all want to be part of and protected in where you can post your furry work?

Because nowhere else did I feel safe enough to do so. and NO MODS - have taken down my work citing the AUP.

You have been ignoring what the MODS have said
SL Pics that DONT show off a fully completely built avatar isnt allowed

This is version 3 of the Second Life rule

Your work was allowed under Version 2 which was "as long as significant work was put into it

The reason for the change is the abuse

There is a difference between these two
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2716172/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3820025/
and this
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3771056

Yours was fine under version 2 of the Second Life rules but because of the first TWO occuring a lot more than your work, the mods got fed up with it.

The New rules also barred me from showing off my work or texture work on bought avatars. The texture work is mines my own, but due to folks randomly posting stuff like this

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3228917/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3528999/

Im not allowed to.

If you want to change things, then do like the rest of us who are now affected by the rule cause of blantant submissions that isnt work at all, by reporting those that isnt work at all. Maybe it will show the staff and the mods that we are doing something.

And how exactly does that request or ask of the mods/devs/admin anything?
There are TONS of photographs that are being abused - and my photograph as you all seem to want, got deleted - the one I took with a REAL camera.


So why have the mods NOT said a damn thing to me in that forum - but they yack on for pages about the dildo topic?

Bring up the subject again if them speaking up was not good enough to get to your skull?

If you reread the entire thread and specifically the SECOND LIFE sections, you can know why..

In that forum thread... ALL of the SL questions and answers - DID NOT APPLY - (I'm not mad, but I cannot state this with more emphasis.
None of them were about people who photographed - they were simply about people posting up pictures of their clothes they made on their avatar as a sales image / someone else who made avatars - those are different subjects.

Though SOME advertising IS considered art - and in some places is allowed because as a graphic artist... you are 1) Artist and 2) creating graphical artwork to do a job or have purpose.. to sell something. Wether it is considered art or just an ad... is up to the artist who creates it.


BUt without arguing what art is or isn't....
My work IS artistic, IS photography (Not of the real world variety) and I think... should be allowed.

It's up to the admin to see that their customer base and the heart of their advertising dollars - wants something specific... its up to us as a community to ask for what we want allowed.

Why? So that we give REASON for those companies to advertise, or to give artists reason and people to advertise TO: a customer base. We are not only content creators, we are also buyers of other people's works... That was really my point in asking for it - and hoping they would read and other people who do the same types of work or who agree - would speak up. Instead, I get pummled with arguing what is and isn't photography when they blatantly ignored the definitions widely accepted by the rest of the world and the acceptance you do not have to have a physical "CAMERA" to capture it. A room with ahole in one side - becomes a camera. A camera is now a computer - so why cannot I use my computer as my camera to see into a virtual world? There is no answer to this, because - I can - .

My monitor acts as my viewfinder, my video card acts as my lense, and my computer acts as my storage card and battery. It stores [light/photo information] on a [permanent medium]. That's all photography has ever been. Those who want to proclaim that I'm insulting the entire profession of photography really need to get it through thier heads. - Photography as an Industry has EMBRACED the computerized camera as a solution to today's photography needs. EVEN taking pictures with cameras - and EVEN if its a virtual world = it makes NO difference.

People want to say photography is nothing more than hitting a button.
Well even if we go by those standards... I'm still hitting a button and capturing a scene that evokes emotion.

Hell if we go by THAT broken down - even the junk they don't want... elicits and evokes emotion and thus becomes an artform of its own. - bad art is still art. People get upset looking at "yet another random snapshot that has no artistic merit and just plain sucks" why do you think people hated sideshows?

The way I see it, these folks have yet to mature into accepting the way life moves and breathes, including things like industries. If they didn't they would grow stagnant and stale - and if they really believe in purist photography.... well let them suffer with chemicals on a metal card exposed for 7 days worth of sunlight just for one image. = For that is where Photography started.

It grows, expands, takes more technology - and improves and grows...
and includes.... taking photographs with your computer, wether its packed into a camera body or not... its still a camera, capturing light, and fixing it to a savable medium.

People wanted to argue that if you take a photo/image/picture from SL - you didn't create everything 100%. You cannot create everything 100% in real life, and why aren't they limiting those same stipulations on real world photographs? I would only be allowed to photograph my naked son - with no background, and even then I can only claim 50% of the creators rights.. as it took two to tango to get him.


All of their arguments against me, were flawed and I explained why.
WHy should I bother? Because I am not the only one who does SL Photography and wants to post it here. Its important to us - as important to us as cubby porn is to those people who appreciate it. - As important to us... as people drawing con badges for others for 5 bucks a pop... as important to us... - as any type of artwork is... to other artists.


Just because those people who responded - who were what we knew of as "Other members and not moderators" - did not understand me - surely those who run the site are smart enough to see that even if they agree with those people, who are caught up in the "is it really photography or not" issue..... - can see that some of their customers REALLY want this to be included in the sites allowance rules.


I Just happened to be one that SPOKE UP About it.
Everyone wanted to take away my right to make it known that "Hey.. um. But I want this - this is why, and here is what I do... can I still have it here?" and to even request permission or ask questions about it.

Why is that a big deal to me? Because the FA Staff TOLD me and everyone.. to ASK QUESTIONS in that forum thread. - I presumed it was so that the staff could answer directly. = They either don't have a good enough means to say they ARE in fact staff - or people ASSUMED i knew who the hell tehy were. I'm a relative new comer to FA - so POSSIBLY I wasn't going to go digging through years of forum posts - instaed I was going to pick up the thread where I came in, and the AUP rules were updated and I was told to read it and ask any questions.

Damn me, for doing what I was asked to do... and damn me for being an artist who believes in the type of work that I do.
Well then damn everyone else for believing in what they believe too. (No anger, but if your going to apply it to me, apply it to yourselves first.)

I don't want any replies from this - I probably wont' bother to look for another 3 weeks, maybe not ever. Because the staff have made it clear - they didn't delete my 'offending artworks' from SL - when they were here to delete my real photograph of an SL scene - so its apparent to me that it is okay by the moderator who visited my account.

I'm finished with this topic - I'm done trying to ask the administration of this site anything if they want their members to chase any other furry out of the fandom based on stupid rules and non-acceptance. Furries want to be accepted but they ostracise their own kind over pesky little things. Don't you agree? (Rhetorical question. No answer is wanted.)

END.

Does this mean taking screenshots of the game Doom counts now?

/End conversation

Does this mean taking screenshots of the game Doom counts now?

/End conversation

please dont lump me with the rest of them, thats an idiot thing to do cause it shows you are angry.

The mods/Admins HAVE already stated what the rules on SL is A LONG TIME AGO
There was actually months before the change of the SL rules was discussion of the SL rules and such. I would say it was your fault at that time when it was being discussed to not participate. Oddly I was one of the few that was arguing about your type of work should still be allowed, but with not enough back up and help, it was pretty much a lost cause.

I was uploading under PHotography, because thats what it is. No matter what other people want to argue is or isn't photography - to Me, and those like me who do it - it is.

That said - as its still a moot point.. it isn't just a random ugly screenshot.

I saw on FA the the AUP had changed so I read it - it didn't give me any leeway because "any and everything" was gone. The Mods may have posted ages ago - however, teh New AUP was what I was asking about.

Yes I was frustrated, I'm sorry. But I still haven't had any mods during the forum thing with me, or here in my FA or the one I PMed and asked directly - have responded.

I am lead to believe they dont' want to make a call - because if I force them to...they will have to side against. I think they too want to allow artistic quality stuff but that which is most rampant isn't and they don't have resources for it.


Fine... but I still wasn't being an idiot - I was uploading under other pretenses that my work was photography, and the other AUP gave me enough wiggle room I felt - as I am left to interpret it myself as well, that I was okay to do so based on those grounds.

The way it had been rewritten - I asked a question. I still did not see in that forum where I asked, if it was or wasn't. name the mods who replied if they did - because I and my friends were keeping watch for the only two names we saw or new of as Mods - NylaK and Dragoneer.

They responded about the dildos - during this, several times... why didn't they drop a line of "Yeah, sorry its not allowed. " maybe because they didn't want to have to be forced into answering. I've seen this when I worked for the government... I see it in a lot of work places... and in rule making - you try to blanket and for those that would under finer definitions be alright.... they look the other way. *shrugs* Maybe I'm wrong, but they still didn't answer - the known mods In that forum post... keep in mind I don't read forums SPECIFICALLY for that kind of mentality of people that think they need to jump on one person for asking the admin a question....

so no, I didn't scour the entire forum looking for old answers that no longer applied. I was looking for new information!