heres an idea, how about stop the drama by not commenting at all, so that at least this fandom can have some sanity to it

also, who cares about reputation in the fandom, we are all mistakes, no greater than others

I think you're missing the point.

no, i get the idea, a basic "don't draw pictures for him", even if it happens to be free and or of randomness. the idea has been floating around the websote for god knows how long

No, that's not the point of this entry at all. I'm ashamed for both of us.

It's just about being aware of what comes with the commission, if you like it or not, it will come

i'm baffled at the circle of allen process that keeps repeating itself each time "he" is brought up

Don't be ashamed. Your journal makes a lot of sense to those who actually took the time to read it, instead of seeing the subject line and blindly commenting. :3

No, you're missing the point of what he's saying. It not your reputation, as is "I R POPUFUR" but rather the concept of artistic integrity. If you're an artist, especially those who make a living off your art, being the center of drama can be very damaging to your reputation. At least that's what I took from it. You can't stop people from causing drama, so limit the opportunity to cause it.

I think your original comment is bait anyway, or Catch 22, because the way you wrote it could cause drama (which I'm not trying to instigate, rather just intellectual discourse) but you could've easily gotten in a heated argument with someone. It's not as easy as saying "hey, no one should comment."

Anyway, that's my thinking. :3

i'm naturaly pestimestic, so negative comments these days are just stuff that i shrug and go "whats new"

I can understand where the artists who have a bussiness coming from, thats a little right there

Not everyone has that barrier of jaded pessimism and natural apathy, so perhaps you're lucky in that regard.

i guess

lol

I care about reputation because there are some horrible people in our community that I would strive to avoid; it's good to know who they are to save myself a headache.

There are horrible people in all walks of life and the more I know about, the less chance I have to put up with their nonsense!

but, you have to know that even yourself that in the end, its all for nothing, what we do here is peety stuff compared to what is happened out there

It stays petty if you think of it that way.

pestimestic all the way is for me

With all of that said, mr. pesimestic why are you even bothering? Well you did spell it [pest]imestic. You must be enjoying wasting your time just as much as we do, being [pest]imestic. :3

pessimestic*

why so serious? not everyone is happy go lucky all the time

Obviously, but being optimistic goes hand in hand with pessimism. Definitely not pestimism though! So it's all fine to me. :3

i guess :)

I'm one to speak up and say stuff on behalf of solving problems, whether it does or not. It's called having balls and a brain that twitches to out of this world things that people ignore and avoid -just because- and mostly because they don't have the balls or patience.

If someone doesn't speak up, then nothing changes. Simple as that. Whether it's gonna get somewhere or not, at least it was done.
As far as reputation goes in the fandom, hes not talking about -that- kind of reputation :3 mistakes are made to be corrected, hence this journal was made.

i see where your going, but all in all, why waste your energy on this guy? seems like i'm seeing a circle on this site each time hes brought up

Because it's fun to think and express. For some it isn't.

hence why i like being pestimestic

Also, not once have I ranted about Allan. He really is retarded though. hahah

mostly i just sit back and wacth everyone i guess

and make pestimistic comments that waste just as much time and energy as optimistic, yes quite blissful and entertaining! Talk about double standards!

thats the beauty of this world baby, lets hope the world is engulfed in flames and people start screaming for help as they cling to people they hate

I think you're absolutely right. Allan is dangerous and makes a lot of people angry with the way he spends money given to him by the taxpayers. WE may not have the right to tell him how to spend his money, but at least the artists can be informed of the situation.

I'm just setting myself to get yelled at, but whatever LOL Yes, Allan is dumb. We all understand this. Now, as for the artists; they depend on making art for others as they do this for a living. Everyone does something bad at least once in their life. That shouldn't be held against a person. I appreciate you giving the advice, but that's like telling a child not to touch the stove top cause it could be hot. They touch it anyways. One bad thing doesn't ruin a reputation, it's multiple things. I'm sure you've done wrong in your life. Everyone has. Should we form an opinion about you over that one bad thing you did? Wouldn't you feel horrible if people kept bringing up your dishonest deed and made a big deal about it over you? What Allan did/has done is wrongful; but that shouldn't reflect an artists reputation. What if the artist drew art for a molester or rapist? You wouldn't know that about anyone unless you really knew the person. Does this make it wrong that you draw art for the person that you don't even know? No. It does not. They paid you, there is no questions asked. An artist that draws for a living does not question a persons personal life nor do they care about the personal drama revolving around the person. They only care about making the dollar. That's it. Telling an artist to turn down a dollar makes them nothing. If you fully depend on selling your art, this is your job, you have no pick on who your client is just as long as they have that dollar. That's anywhere in the world. I deal with assholes at my job everyday, but I do my job with a smile and wish people a happy day because I get paid.

While I agree with you in almost every regard, I think this whole thing is such a hot-button issue right now that I think Azur is right to say artists should be informed. I'd hate to blindly take a commission and suddenly be caught up in a whirlwind, wouldn't you? The fact that we're even discussing this right now shows how important it is for people to know what they're getting in to. Just my thoughts though, and again, in other circumstances, I think you're absolutely on point :3

YAY! I didn't get yelled at LOL I dunnoes. It's all silly. LOL You may inform, but still probably won't stop people.

Hehe, yay! Ya, no problem! I don't think anyone should ever get yelled at for taking the time to share their opinion, whether or not you agree with it, and as long as it's thought out in some sense.

You're right, not everyone is as "plugged-in" to the fandom to know to be informed, and those who are may not care.

I think Azur's point (below) is very important too. Welcoming trouble can only cause trouble, so you'd really have no one to blame but yourself. If you're an artist who takes a commission from Allan, and you're swept up in whatever drama occurs... well, you may have gotten the money for that piece, but it may lose you money in the long run because of your involvement with Allan.

Just sayin :3

It sucks that artists get burned though LOL It's almost kinda trollin', but not. I dunnoes LOL This is a complex situation, but you can't get the word to the masses; no matter how hard you try.

You're absolutely right. I think 'Neer's been doing a good job with his journals and tweets to bring attention to the situation, but not everyone pays attention to that. Actually, me even saying I think 'Neer is doing a good job could get ME yelled at! Haha!

In the end, it's really up the the artist to keep an ear to the ground, which I think is good businesses anyway. You wouldn't want to be selling to a market you're not involved with in any other commercial sector (like selling shrimp in the movie Sunshine Cleaning), so art shouldn't be too different.

"They only care about making the dollar. That's it" - That's not a professional way to operate as an [independent] artist.

If your client is a known serial rapist / murderer and you do work for them and turn a blind eye to their reputation then you're responsible for the backlash against you as an associate.

I'm not saying it makes it wrong, I'm just saying you had it coming.

I'm saying that if you don't know, as a lot of artists don't; it's hard to stop. Most people just ignore what goes on, and just do their art thing. I know most days I don't pay attention LOL I can agree with you that people could be informed, but it's unfair to say that it would get them a bad reputation. Just because some dumb-ass doesn't handle his government funding well, like most people that get it, doesn't make the artists have a bad reputation. It's really hard to inform everyone that someone is indecent, or is a scammer, or what have you. Artists love to show their freedom of expression; whether they know it's right or wrong is never clarified until someone yells at them for drawing something, and they're completely oblivious as to why they're being yelled at. It's quite unfair, and quite a back ache for the artist.

I still disagree with this crap.

dont mind me, im just here for the porn :3~

Here's a useful axom "Don't shit where you eat" here's a modified version for this situation "Don't eat other people's shit"

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