The "Vulva" Thing
15 years ago
General
Alright, I know people get enough of these journals in their inboxes. But so far they all seem to be the same aside from the occasional one or two, so I figure I'll do my little rant on it to try and shed more light on other opinions.
One: For what people are trying to "showcase" the most, that is not your vulva. The vulva is pretty much the "whole package" and not the inner labia that you are focusing on.
The parts of the vulva:
* outer labia (lips)
* inner labia (lips) - What most of these images are showing
* clitoris
* clitoral hood
* urethra opening
* vagina opening
Between the "real body" meme, the fact people use references or artistic nudes etc, I don't think that it "doesn't belong on an art site". And yes, while this site is primarily furry, it does not have a "If its not furry you can't post it/nobody will like it" policy, so if its really oh so horrible...why not just skip it instead of clicking the thumbnail? Its like when Onta did a straight picture and so many went in with "Ew" and "Vaginas are scary :c" or "Would be better if she was male" etc etc. Its just a matter of be aware that its still a public forum, so if you absolutely cannot take any negative or ignorant comments, don't post it here. And if you'll feel ashamed or pressured into it, don't do it for the stipulation that "You must not be a real woman/must be ashamed". I'm not ashamed of my body, I just only show it to people I trust. Others are different and are okay with showing whoever is curious. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH EITHER ONE, because it is just "opinion" on what is "wrong or right", or "attractive/proper" etc etc. So both sides need to stop trying to shame the other.
Also, if its so horrible and oh god why inducing, why the hell did you click it? You can see tits in the thumbnail/that its a vagina in the thumbnail. Its the internet, you all should know by now there's stuff, ESPECIALLY ON FA, that you will not like. Move past it. :| For so many people that claim live and let live you sure are aggressive toward anything outside of your own tastes.
Which brings me to my main annoyance with the meme. Yes, all women are beautiful. (I personally do not like the "All vaginas are beautiful" because its very... objectifying to me. But thats just me, and I'm not going to go around telling others to not say "Vaginas are beautiful" and instead say "Women are beautiful".) :| Even if its not in a "shape" I prefer, does not mean others don't like it, or that I think less of a woman or that she is ugly because of it. I like women for their entire presence and form to make what I call "beautiful". But that's just me and my opinion. Which is just that, an opinion, and not fact. The fact is your vulva is designed to be functional (for sex, and childbirthing etc). And while I love people who have self esteem and appreciate their bodies (since there are people like transgenders for example, who have to deal with not being able to feel fully comfortable in their own skin sometimes, and anybody with insecurities or low self esteem knows that it can be very damaging to your every day life.) I find it complete bullshit that its now turned into "shaming" other women who have as you would call, "porn perfect vulvas".
I am one of those women who has what you'd call a "porn perfect vulva", except its not perfect. There is NO such thing as real "perfection" because that too, is also an opinion. I am chubby, thus I also have a chubbier vagina towards the top of it. However, even when I was a kid and not very overweight it was still like that. You are BORN WITH what it looks like. I have not had cosmetic surgery, and apparently to most doing the meme, women who were born with the "porn perfect vulva" just cannot exist without having had surgery. As well as those who had it before cosmetic surgery was ever around are just non-existent too eh? Apparently cosmetic surgery on your genitals is a very popular thing! :D
Your ethnicity, what your mom's vulva looks like etc will have an affect on what YOURS looks like. I even saw one person say "I just figured its from them whoring out constantly so it got all loose"... Great way to make an ass out of yourself. How about instead of "Just figuring" you go and look it up before you decide that to be fact. :| Yeah, if for example you're pulling on it a lot (as in daily for many years, and literally PULLING on it and not just having sex, it can be stretched out.) It has a more elastic function because again, it is meant to make sex easier/more enjoyable and childbirthing easier/recoverable. Having sex (which is with penetration, and not "pulling on the labia") will not give you as some call it, "beefcurtains". Between kegals and just trying to avoid sex that damages your parts, it will pretty much always look the same.
To make up for your insecurity with your body you think that shaming others is the way to go apparently? You start the sentence with "All women/vulvas are beautiful" then go on a tangent about these so called "perfect" ones. Its nice to know that I'm apparently ostracized against along with others because of the shape of my anatomy, which I had no control over same as you, and trust me, not everybody finds it attractive. :| The title "porn perfect" is also misleading and annoying because you people obviously have not watched much porn. As in actual, involving real human women, porn. I see pretty much a fair balance of the shapes of vulvas in porn, except for specific fetishes like camel toes and whatnot. (And even then the inner labia is very varied) Aside from that? They're as varied like everyday life, because even though these women are recorded, it does not mean off of the screen they are not an everyday woman as well and LIKE YOU AND ME, were just born with what they have. Seriously, go browse free porn sites for awhile and you'll see that its true. Not all "porn stars" look like Jenna Jameson. Its mostly here on art sites that you'll see the more stylized vulvas, and even then they're still varied!
One thing to also take into consideration, is some types are harder to draw than others/require more detail. I see a LOT of straight hair drawn in pictures, but I don't assume that nobody finds curly hair beautiful because of it or that nobody else has curly hair like I do. :|
Vulvas are like nipples or noses. They're supposed to be functional, and they come in all shapes and sizes (and even different colors - Which gasp, is just people as a whole!). And the types of nipples/noses people prefer? Is very, VERY varied. I for example think puffy "triangle" nipples are adorable and sometimes even wished mine looked like that when I was younger, and I know others who think they are "gross". I like short round noses, and then there's people like my brother who like slender longer noses. Its just a matter of taste, and its just anatomy. The human form is filled with "flaws" because its what makes us unique, but through our personal tastes and opinions those "flaws" or what I like to call "variations", since if its functional it is not flawed to me, are what others see as what is "sexy" or "beautiful". Those words are adjectives and differ with opinion, so stop taking personal offense to people who don't like what you like or have what you have. Otherwise your life will be -FOREVER MISERABLE- by worrying about the tastes and opinions of everyone you've ever met (and haven't met).
So in short, if you're proud of what you have and specifically want to showcase it. Sure, go for it, that's great. But if you're bashing others out of your low self esteem (or pride issues) you deserved to be slapped. If you're doing it only to show that you "fit in" to the group and aren't doing it because it actually feels empowering to you, I just hope you don't regret it later on. :/ And if you don't like it, its as simple as closing the window because in the end nobody gives a crap about your opinion. (This goes for all sides, and heck, even my rant here in the end doesn't freaking matter to most people! The difference is I'm okay with that and accept that people are vastly different in personality and in anatomy.) Love yourself, be happy with yourself, and be respectful of others instead of trying to put them down for your own self gain. Life will be a lot more contented when you do that.
One: For what people are trying to "showcase" the most, that is not your vulva. The vulva is pretty much the "whole package" and not the inner labia that you are focusing on.
The parts of the vulva:
* outer labia (lips)
* inner labia (lips) - What most of these images are showing
* clitoris
* clitoral hood
* urethra opening
* vagina opening
Between the "real body" meme, the fact people use references or artistic nudes etc, I don't think that it "doesn't belong on an art site". And yes, while this site is primarily furry, it does not have a "If its not furry you can't post it/nobody will like it" policy, so if its really oh so horrible...why not just skip it instead of clicking the thumbnail? Its like when Onta did a straight picture and so many went in with "Ew" and "Vaginas are scary :c" or "Would be better if she was male" etc etc. Its just a matter of be aware that its still a public forum, so if you absolutely cannot take any negative or ignorant comments, don't post it here. And if you'll feel ashamed or pressured into it, don't do it for the stipulation that "You must not be a real woman/must be ashamed". I'm not ashamed of my body, I just only show it to people I trust. Others are different and are okay with showing whoever is curious. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH EITHER ONE, because it is just "opinion" on what is "wrong or right", or "attractive/proper" etc etc. So both sides need to stop trying to shame the other.
Also, if its so horrible and oh god why inducing, why the hell did you click it? You can see tits in the thumbnail/that its a vagina in the thumbnail. Its the internet, you all should know by now there's stuff, ESPECIALLY ON FA, that you will not like. Move past it. :| For so many people that claim live and let live you sure are aggressive toward anything outside of your own tastes.
Which brings me to my main annoyance with the meme. Yes, all women are beautiful. (I personally do not like the "All vaginas are beautiful" because its very... objectifying to me. But thats just me, and I'm not going to go around telling others to not say "Vaginas are beautiful" and instead say "Women are beautiful".) :| Even if its not in a "shape" I prefer, does not mean others don't like it, or that I think less of a woman or that she is ugly because of it. I like women for their entire presence and form to make what I call "beautiful". But that's just me and my opinion. Which is just that, an opinion, and not fact. The fact is your vulva is designed to be functional (for sex, and childbirthing etc). And while I love people who have self esteem and appreciate their bodies (since there are people like transgenders for example, who have to deal with not being able to feel fully comfortable in their own skin sometimes, and anybody with insecurities or low self esteem knows that it can be very damaging to your every day life.) I find it complete bullshit that its now turned into "shaming" other women who have as you would call, "porn perfect vulvas".
I am one of those women who has what you'd call a "porn perfect vulva", except its not perfect. There is NO such thing as real "perfection" because that too, is also an opinion. I am chubby, thus I also have a chubbier vagina towards the top of it. However, even when I was a kid and not very overweight it was still like that. You are BORN WITH what it looks like. I have not had cosmetic surgery, and apparently to most doing the meme, women who were born with the "porn perfect vulva" just cannot exist without having had surgery. As well as those who had it before cosmetic surgery was ever around are just non-existent too eh? Apparently cosmetic surgery on your genitals is a very popular thing! :D
Your ethnicity, what your mom's vulva looks like etc will have an affect on what YOURS looks like. I even saw one person say "I just figured its from them whoring out constantly so it got all loose"... Great way to make an ass out of yourself. How about instead of "Just figuring" you go and look it up before you decide that to be fact. :| Yeah, if for example you're pulling on it a lot (as in daily for many years, and literally PULLING on it and not just having sex, it can be stretched out.) It has a more elastic function because again, it is meant to make sex easier/more enjoyable and childbirthing easier/recoverable. Having sex (which is with penetration, and not "pulling on the labia") will not give you as some call it, "beefcurtains". Between kegals and just trying to avoid sex that damages your parts, it will pretty much always look the same.
To make up for your insecurity with your body you think that shaming others is the way to go apparently? You start the sentence with "All women/vulvas are beautiful" then go on a tangent about these so called "perfect" ones. Its nice to know that I'm apparently ostracized against along with others because of the shape of my anatomy, which I had no control over same as you, and trust me, not everybody finds it attractive. :| The title "porn perfect" is also misleading and annoying because you people obviously have not watched much porn. As in actual, involving real human women, porn. I see pretty much a fair balance of the shapes of vulvas in porn, except for specific fetishes like camel toes and whatnot. (And even then the inner labia is very varied) Aside from that? They're as varied like everyday life, because even though these women are recorded, it does not mean off of the screen they are not an everyday woman as well and LIKE YOU AND ME, were just born with what they have. Seriously, go browse free porn sites for awhile and you'll see that its true. Not all "porn stars" look like Jenna Jameson. Its mostly here on art sites that you'll see the more stylized vulvas, and even then they're still varied!
One thing to also take into consideration, is some types are harder to draw than others/require more detail. I see a LOT of straight hair drawn in pictures, but I don't assume that nobody finds curly hair beautiful because of it or that nobody else has curly hair like I do. :|
Vulvas are like nipples or noses. They're supposed to be functional, and they come in all shapes and sizes (and even different colors - Which gasp, is just people as a whole!). And the types of nipples/noses people prefer? Is very, VERY varied. I for example think puffy "triangle" nipples are adorable and sometimes even wished mine looked like that when I was younger, and I know others who think they are "gross". I like short round noses, and then there's people like my brother who like slender longer noses. Its just a matter of taste, and its just anatomy. The human form is filled with "flaws" because its what makes us unique, but through our personal tastes and opinions those "flaws" or what I like to call "variations", since if its functional it is not flawed to me, are what others see as what is "sexy" or "beautiful". Those words are adjectives and differ with opinion, so stop taking personal offense to people who don't like what you like or have what you have. Otherwise your life will be -FOREVER MISERABLE- by worrying about the tastes and opinions of everyone you've ever met (and haven't met).
So in short, if you're proud of what you have and specifically want to showcase it. Sure, go for it, that's great. But if you're bashing others out of your low self esteem (or pride issues) you deserved to be slapped. If you're doing it only to show that you "fit in" to the group and aren't doing it because it actually feels empowering to you, I just hope you don't regret it later on. :/ And if you don't like it, its as simple as closing the window because in the end nobody gives a crap about your opinion. (This goes for all sides, and heck, even my rant here in the end doesn't freaking matter to most people! The difference is I'm okay with that and accept that people are vastly different in personality and in anatomy.) Love yourself, be happy with yourself, and be respectful of others instead of trying to put them down for your own self gain. Life will be a lot more contented when you do that.
Ransom
~ransom
This is a very well thought out response to this meme, and an articulate way to say "live and let live." Nicely done.
Neive
~neive
OP
Thanks~ c:
SabbathSilverclaw
~sabbathsilverclaw
Very well put. Finally, someone who can put it like it is. Thank you.
Neive
~neive
OP
Thanks :)
Kiasha
~kiasha
Honestly, for the longest time I thought everyone had curly hair on the vagina due to the rubbing from the underwear.
Neive
~neive
OP
...LMAO XD Yeah, naw hahah. Same with other body parts pubic hair varies and depends on your ethnicity/genes. :3 Mine doesn't grow in much and lays down smooth and flat for example whenever I get lazy about shaving. (Doesn't last for long though, since pubes personally make me feel icky and ungroomed :C )
Panzerelch
~panzerelch
very interesting. I find the beauty in diversity with women, each is beautiful in their unique difference.
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