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15 years ago
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SO when I posted my "Matching Undies" pic, I mentioned an incident where they covered the whole picture with a lift-up sheet of paper. (They also did that to my Tycho Redtail drawing from one of the RSR covers. He has a bulge in the pic.) A friend of mine complained to them and they took the censoring papers off. It was an amusing incident. But one of the comments on the posting was made by Lionus who said:
"In their defense however, all the RainFurrest folks would need would be for some over-zealous victim-wanna-be to go to the local press or police screaming that their "little child" was emotionally scarred by outrageous displays by blatant PORNOGRAPHY at the con to screw up the con for everyone."
Which is a valid point...to a degree. He also pointed out that adolescent rebellion can be carried too far, etc.
But I had to make two point--one, this wasn't "pornography" because it was only sensual, not depicting actual sex...although, maybe that's only MY definition. LOL Also, as I replied to another post: I don't think rebelliousness is merely a function of adolescence. Some things NEED to be challenged. Personally, I think this country's morays and hypocrisies should be questioned constantly. For instance, I have comic books at home that I know for a fact kids--teens, I mean, not small children--read that are horrifically violent with gleeful images of people being ripped in half with cartoon abandon, but they would never dare show a dick. What does that say about our society? I'd rather let teens watch hard-core porn than some of the seriously violent movies out there. Like "The Passion of the Christ", for example, which I've heard described as practically a snuff film! PLEASE, watch "Shortbus" instead!
I mean, hell--Marvel published a miniseries of The Rawhide Kid in which he was portrayed as a silly gay stereotype, and even though it was completely free of ANY nudity or bad language or even a single kiss between men, they STILL put Mature Content labels on the covers! Completely outrageous--an absolute insult, because it implies that even the hint that a character is queer means that no children should be exposed to it--even if that character is completely non-sexual. So we're still a long way from gay equality in all media.
But that's another discussion. the point is that I think people in this country are TOO hung up about sexual issues. We glorify violence and demonize sex. I think it should be the other way around, if anything! This art show incident was just a silly, insignificant drop in a very HUGE reservoir of that warped kind of thinking. Oh sure--things are better in many ways, and ultimately it will all sort itself out. But Lionus brings up a good point--in many ways, we're still all held a little bit hostage by the pathetic prudish viewpoints of an overly conservative (at least in regards to sex) society.
"In their defense however, all the RainFurrest folks would need would be for some over-zealous victim-wanna-be to go to the local press or police screaming that their "little child" was emotionally scarred by outrageous displays by blatant PORNOGRAPHY at the con to screw up the con for everyone."
Which is a valid point...to a degree. He also pointed out that adolescent rebellion can be carried too far, etc.
But I had to make two point--one, this wasn't "pornography" because it was only sensual, not depicting actual sex...although, maybe that's only MY definition. LOL Also, as I replied to another post: I don't think rebelliousness is merely a function of adolescence. Some things NEED to be challenged. Personally, I think this country's morays and hypocrisies should be questioned constantly. For instance, I have comic books at home that I know for a fact kids--teens, I mean, not small children--read that are horrifically violent with gleeful images of people being ripped in half with cartoon abandon, but they would never dare show a dick. What does that say about our society? I'd rather let teens watch hard-core porn than some of the seriously violent movies out there. Like "The Passion of the Christ", for example, which I've heard described as practically a snuff film! PLEASE, watch "Shortbus" instead!
I mean, hell--Marvel published a miniseries of The Rawhide Kid in which he was portrayed as a silly gay stereotype, and even though it was completely free of ANY nudity or bad language or even a single kiss between men, they STILL put Mature Content labels on the covers! Completely outrageous--an absolute insult, because it implies that even the hint that a character is queer means that no children should be exposed to it--even if that character is completely non-sexual. So we're still a long way from gay equality in all media.
But that's another discussion. the point is that I think people in this country are TOO hung up about sexual issues. We glorify violence and demonize sex. I think it should be the other way around, if anything! This art show incident was just a silly, insignificant drop in a very HUGE reservoir of that warped kind of thinking. Oh sure--things are better in many ways, and ultimately it will all sort itself out. But Lionus brings up a good point--in many ways, we're still all held a little bit hostage by the pathetic prudish viewpoints of an overly conservative (at least in regards to sex) society.
Seems that so few people seem to understand.
Mostly because there are much more non-english people than actually english.
And, in the other hand, the extra "a" doesn't really make it unintelligible.
So please, quit being a ortographic dick. Thanks.
I'm not in the USA, and probabily I won't visit them. I don't have to learn shit to talk with you.
But thanks for trying to make better english for foreigners so they can visit the US.
Other thing is that most americans that go out of the country for tourism, still WANT to be treated in english. What makes it incredibily ironic.
Btw, I live in Spain as you may guess. Spanish =/= Hispanic.
And, in the rest of the world, being able to talk english IS a requeriment too. But you don't seem to complain about what happens outside the US. Have you ever been outside the US?
Are you the same than a brit or an aussie?
About the muslim thing, you're the first (that I remember) american that doesn't complain or don't know what I mean. I was being ironic about it anyway.
The topic has really gone too far from where it started.
Erotica =/= (not equal) porn.
And, by the wat, Love =/= erotica either :P
I think you'll agree anyway. There's too much taboo on Erotic stuff while it's one of the sweete3st things in the world, imho.
What's the definition of porn? Roman Polanski said it best: "Erotic is when you use the feather, pornography is when you use the whole chicken."
I don't know where I'd stand on violence vs erotica. I'm probably a damn good example of violence desensitized our generation, but then again I also grew up in a military family. In that I was subject to trauma very early on even without violence, disasters one after another can take the edge off. I'd bat an eyelash sooner at someone being fucked six ways from Sunday on screen than someone being cut in front of my face... Unfortunately I can say that this is true from experience. Honestly I think that there are too many things wrong nowadays to even pin point it anymore. Media I don't think has anything to do with it to be honest. There's something else that makes people more violent and therefore easier to deal with it, where it's so far ingrained that sex is private and should never be witnessed in public that it can't even be blamed on the media. I for one think both are wrong. Violence is a necessary asset to survival the way things are, and sex is nothing to hide in the first place.
But the US being scared of sex in almost any form is nothing new I'm afraid.
A holyest of books based mostly on violence, glorifying violence and wars and then, just a glancing acknowledgement to love, relationships and the physical acts between people that remains almost hidding between the lines. When a society has this as a base, a building block to its very fabric of being...what else would one expect?
'morays' - a bunch of eels
'mores' - the moral views of a group
Or just make the cons 18+ and don't even worry about what kidiots might see.
THis is part of why I stay out of politics. Because the ones in power get to decide what is right and what is wrong. soon murder will be a misdameaner and anal sex a lie sentance. But anyone with a sence of values (and no religion does not make anyone's values ) will know right from wrong.