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crazy shit, THAT'S WHAT, AHHH

Oh noes! They patched mah Classes!

They diiiiid. D: D: D:

Aside from the bugs, I'm enjoying the changes

So am I, though I haven't gotten to kill anything yet, really. XD What class do you play?

My Death Knight is my main, but I also play a paladin that was my main from The Burning Crusade

Gotta stay updated. http://wow.joystiq.com/ use that site so you don't fall behind in what's going on. Not huge if you're not raiding and had a set spec and everything. Shouldn't be hard to adjust to, so get back to it and lvl up. Cataclysm is coming, and it's going back to almost vanilla ways. Ain't gonna be easy, but get used to no more noob left behind and welfare epics bullshit. Best of luck.

Who says I'm not? Has nothing to do with raiding. They kind of overhauled how most every class plays. And it seems to me to be the opposite - they're making it easier for new people to come in. They lost some percentage of their subscribers so they're trying to draw more in by laying everything out in a much clearer fashion. Like what they did to the speccing trees.

To get up to 80 is going to be a bit easier because you don't have to worry about cross tree calculations. Once you get past 80, if you haven't learned your class, well, you probably won't be seeing much of dungeons or 85 unless you solo the entire thing. What they've done is drag us back towards Vanilla WoW times because back then you only could go through 1 tree and maybe a few points into another, ArPen was non existent, and AoE was only used while leveling if you could actually live through it, or trash mobs in a lower than your level instance. Wrath made things much easier because even if you slept through the raid, you could AoE and still be fine. It became far too easy, and there came to a point where most older players and hardcore raiders were getting irritated because of the "no noob left behind" and "welfare epics" nonsense. You can be a PuG raid and still get to Arthas. I mean, seriously?!?! The bloody Lich King, Arthas Menethil, one of the most powerful beings ever to walk the face of Azeroth, who could even roflstomp Illidain and laughed at Kael'thas while destroying his bloody home, can be killed by 10 or 25 random people who band together and go "herp derp, i press a button"... Yeah, they wanted everyone to be able to kill Arthas, that was what a lot of people were looking forward to because thats as far as the lore went with the Warcraft RTS. Now with Cataclysm, it is lore that most people only know through books, or through actually paying attention through the lore in the game. Deathwing isn't going to be that easy, and multitudes of people are praying it to be a 40 man raid just because of who Deathwing IS. AoE will once again go to being rarely used, almost every mob will need to be CC'd, tanks will have massive health pools, but they won't be able to keep aggro on everything. Heroics/Raids are going to be hard. Guild leveling will make it so that PuG's/Dungeon Finder will be pretty much non existent. It's going back, and going back quick and fast. It's going to be fun, and at high levels it's going to be really harsh on those who don't understand whats going on and don't want to learn. Scrubs won't be able to say "Look at my GS and achievement, I'm super 1337." No one will care. They'll throw you into a heroic, watch you be the scrub you are, and throw your happy ass right back into being guildless. Yes, things will be "easier" to level and get there, but once you hit the cap, it's going to be extremely rough and rocky.

TL;DR raiding, since I don't raid and I wasn't talking about raiding... and I can't really comment on it since again, I don't raid. And guild/raiding politics are ridiculous, IMHO.

But, overall, yes, we are agreeing on the same point. Easier to start - seeing as they even rewrote all of the spell descriptions to say shit like "an expensive but fast heal for emergencies," or, "a slow attack that does X damage, avoid using in melee" - for newer players to get started and will be able to jump in. It is more noob friendly. Also it is more fun and you see automatic strategic options available you you even when you start off at level 1. Meaning that it gets people ready for the real stuff later on. And towards the top, yes, it's a more advanced to offer more of a challenge to seasoned players, who are all the guild nuts and whomever who keep WoW subscriptions for years and years.

Then yeah, we are agreeing. Lol. And you should raid, it's much more fun if you have a good guild. I got lucky and am in my servers top 6th guild so we don't really fuck around unless it's break time during our raiding ours or non raiding hours. Having a good guild and having good raids is what it's all about.

They changed a lot of stuff, but I kinda like the direction they're going with it. They're trying to make the game harder overall. That's a very welcome change IMO. It's way too easy right now. Not even ICC uses crowd control. It was all about spamming heals with nearly unlimited mana and AoEs. Now hopefully there will be some strategy required again.

bout damn time i quit cuz it was too easy.

I feel like I'm missing something because to me, they seem to be making the game easier to start with. Though a little more advanced (not to be confused with "harder") when you actually get deeper into leveling.

Well, the new stuff isn't going to be all that balanced toward the instances that are out now. The instances out now aren't difficult and won't be even with the changes, especially since you most likely massively outgear nearly all of them. When the new instances come about though, from what I've heard, it's going to be a lot harder. Crowd control will be a must again and AoE, while useful won't be the end all of every pull. Tanks take more damage. Healers heals cost more mana and can't be spammed, so they'll have to focus on keeping their overheals as low as possible to not run out of mana. It'll be more like vanilla WoW, which itself wasn't all that hard, but it was much more strategic than Warth is.

You guys and your raids/instances, seriously! XD

Like I said, yeah, incorporates a little more strategy to those who do all the raids and instances and junk and who play WoW for years and years. Basically, catering to longtime players. Where it also caters to new players by labeling everything and laying everything out really simply for people to get started.

In essence... offers more to new players, more to old players = more money for Blizzard. It's a pretty brilliant creative move on Blizzard's part.

They fucked it up.. Royally.

What do you think about it? D:

They made it waaaay too easy from what I've heard about it. At least til you get to end-game, where is gets way too hard (because no one will even talk to you if you don't have better equipment than 90% of other players thanks to the elitist bullshit that I keep seeing)