I can't think of why someone would rationally be against this.

Why would you RATIONALLY be racist or sexist?:I

Some people will rationalise anything to themselves, just so they can continue to be hateful.

It's not really a decision based on logic, I would imagine. I have seen people try to protect Toothless as a character who should not be torn of his innocence in pornography. The subject of dragons and humans seems so rare on this site too that it feels taboo and unusual even though I would have thought the idea would be supported.

Yay! I mean its like in a flash video series called "There She Is!" but it involves a cat and a bunny. I love this kind of interaction a lot!

"It's just touching to see two worlds meet..."

Hurr hurr hurr... You said meat... ;3

But yeah, I've no problem with it. I'm not into the porn of it or anything (surprisingly :V), but I think it can be quite touching to see a couple where one is quite obviously the more physically imposing, and where there's a gulf between the two that's spanned by a common belief, interest, etc.

Though this is where I suppose my logic stumbles a bit. If someone were to like.. say.. appreciate other people in a sexual manner, and also like furry porn.. why not a mix of the two? Why does the subject seem so unusually uncommon?

Is it really that uncommon? I think I've seen a fair bit of "fantasy porn" outside of the furry community featuring dragons getting it on with the ladies. Funnily enough not really ever other animals, only dragons. I guess theres the whole "they're not real so it's okay" thing, or the deep seeded belief that they're to do with primal urges, etc etc.

Well I guess I don't look around to other sites as much.. so perhaps this is true. What makes furries so different though? Surely people would like to be able to imagine that they could interact with that thing they love. Or is it more of a matter of not wishing to place yourself in the shoes of a human? :|

I think for a lot of furries it's the case that it IS escapism, so the idea of having humans around sort of... Bursts that bubble?

I couldn't rightly say, though I could waffle on for pages on what my opinion is. But I'm not going to, of course. :x

You can waffle on my page anyday. :3

lol sorry for the lack of any intellectual contribution on my part, but I do encourage human dragon relations. There's definitely not enough of that around.

Yay.

For me, its hard to explain but something about the whole "huge beast actually being intelligent and not beastly at all" schtick tugs at my strings. A creature of immense size and power taking a human under its wing (dur) and showing them respect and perhaps even love (no, not sex. Well not always.)

I'm reading Temeraire right now and it gets the bond across really quite well.

I like the whole idea of two different species, or something along the line of that, developing a bond really cute <3

But the fact that some people hate that....mainly D-kin folks who dislike that..... seriously...somethings wrong with them.... cause they obviously don't see the point of things and are so disillusioned to what they think they are, it ruins it....

Well, without saying anything hypocritical...

I think that a non-sexual bond between any pairing of furry/dragon/feral/human is sweet and wonderful! As you said, there's something special about opposing sides coming together.

Sex will ruin it. Always.

I would be curious as to why you would state this, if you would be willing to elaborate.

Well, I think you have an important part of stories between dragons/large feral animals/stufflikethat nailed down here. But I personally believe it's based upon a relation of respect and caring. It has a sort of mystical allure to it, that manages to drive any story quite well, provided there is a decent story to begin with. Now, sex, is a very physical thing. With such an act, two respectful beings, a humble human/whatever and a proud dragon/whatever, get boggled down to mere lust filled creatures, which pulls the story back down from the higher, intellectual planes down to the boring mortal, physical realm.

A powerful friendship shouldn't need any physical contact, aside possibly the occasional friendly lick/squeeze/hug. Hence Dragonheart was so good. The relation between the dragon and the knight was based upon an initial misunderstanding, and followed on with respect and a mutual understanding.

I just cannot imagine any such story that would still work properly with the involvement of sex. Just my two cents here.

True, sex is physical and lustful, but it can be given other connotations. Sex, like love, can be given more meaning if you wish it to.

Consider this: Sex requires a huge amount of trust - especially if there is a mixture of a large, powerful creature, and a smaller, fragile one. The human is practically going out on a limb and risking injury or death if things should go wrong because he/she is left prone and unarmed. To trust someone you'd need to respect them, understand them, and conclude their intentions are good.

You could look at porn and say it's just raw emotion and lust, and you'd probably be right 95% of the time for images on this site, but it's your choice to look at all sex in this manner. There are other ways to see it.

Very true, but it's hard for me to cross that barrier. I suppose that if it's played out right, and built up to steadily through hardship and emotional anguish and things like that, it could be appropriate for two of such characters to share an intimate, physical moment together.

You seem to have a very intelligent, well thought-out view upon the subject though, which is quite nice to see. It's hard to find on the internet, or in the furry community these days... or any days.

Of course, pornography isn't a bad thing at all, I just cannot mix it properly with a well-driven story. To me, the perfect movie would be where the two 'worlds' meet, mix, and work out beautifully.

SO YAY i love storys like that and images too

dragon/human couples are one of the best, I yet need to know why exactly I get such a warm nice feeling when I see this kind of relationships, I hope future movies/animations, etc follow this, and not the usual "dragonslaying" things.

I love the theme, and it's a big reason I love HtTyD!

The interesting thing I found was that the developers of the movie actually expressed the theme of the film to be of a relationship between Hiccup and his father. :P

Many people speak of enemies or opposing sides coming together, but thats not the part that gets me happy about it. Thats not what made me love the movie so much.
I loved the companionship between them. The friendship that they find and create, the closeness they get. And, from Hiccups point of view, its a freakin dragon! I mean, geeze, who wouldnt want a large dragon like that to be their best friend?!

That doesnt answer your question though. Personally the human/other relationships can get wierd. But its no different than other couples. Sometimes you just dont like seeing two people together, like when one of them is a prick and controls the other. Thats never nice to see. HTTYD just did the whole thing perfectly. They become friends, non-sexually, very close, and happy with each other. Not resenting anything, it seems. I would enjoy any kind of coupling between any species if its done like that.

Then again, I sometimes wonder about Toothless. Hiccup permanently scarred and disabled him. Took the freedom away from him. I think I would resent it quite a bit if someone blasted my leg off, then gave me a prosthetic that only they can control...

Well considering it was either "cooperate with hiccup" or "be unable to fly ever" I would imagine the first option is the lesser of the two evils. Whether Toothless actually had the knowledge/capacity to determine that is up for debate, though. :P A feral animal would sooner chew his face off.

Toothless' intelligence really is unknown. He APPEARS smart enough to reason and use logic, sentient and all. But thats all in his expressions and mannerisms, could be that hes on the same level as any other animal.

I loved HTTYD!

And I've been shocked by the _lack_ of Toothless porn since that movie has been released. I mean... much more obscure characters get rule 34'd like crazy. But for some reason, no Toothless?

I thought I'd see a ton of porn of Toothless and Hiccup when I watched the movie in the theater. I was thinking... yeah... that's gonna be awesome. And then I've been so disappointed!

But it looks like it's finally starting to come. :)

Get on your game, furry fandom!

Go look at  narse

He's done quite a few of Toothless.

And nevermind cause I now see you're already watching him. XD

 idrawgayboys has done a lot of hiccup and toothless too.

I can think of multiple reasons why people feel overly protective of toothless, however.. and why there is a fair divide between those who do not want porn of them and those who do.

I've seen people express that Toothless "is too cute" to be defiled by pornography. Personally I feel this reasoning to be BS, because that didn't stop anyone from drawing Guilmon in smutty material.

My own conclusion? People see Toothless as a dog or cat, and the relationship between Hiccup and Toothless is like one they would have with their pet. Ignoring the people here who have such interactions with their pets, I think that most people subconsciously (or consciously) think that it is a corruption of that innocent, loving bond.

And of course then there are the people who feel that since Toothless is a dragon, he shouldn't be corrupted because dragons are bigger/better than humans blahblah etc.

Doesn't the pet relationship angle also come up short since Guilmon is _also_ a sort of pet? Indeed, all of the Digimon and Pokemon porn would fall into this same category.

And many of these characters also can't speak either. And many of them are even more 'baby seal cute' than Toothless.

I'm just not seeing anything that differentiates Toothless such that he should be singled out for 'Porn not OK!' status.

It also doesn't seem like it would be about Toothless being a dragon because some of this attitude seems to come from even dragon artists who normally draw lots of porn of dragons.

So what gives?

The only thing I can really think of is that the presentation of Toothless is so powerful in the movie. But to me, that just makes him even hotter. Indeed, I find it very easy to imagine him getting down and dirty _while staying within his proper established character_. Something you can't even say for the Digimon and Pokemon stuff.

I haven't seen HTTYD!
Read as:
C-C-C-COOOOMBO BREAKER

Though in all seriousness it would be fairly nice to see more often. I don't even mean anything specifically, but I can't help but think of macro pictures of depictions of dragons being completely and utterly malevolent in every which way and just destroying everything across their path. Why not, I dunno, protect everything instead.

It's your own dang fault for not seeing it by now. I assume most people have seen it at least once. :P

I've still had it shoved in my face about what it is about nonetheless, and it's not that difficult to guess either just by previews before it was even out back when it first going to be shown in theaters.

This animation takes your idea and reverses it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ

In it, to begin with it's the dragon who is the frail and weak one. Truly great animation too.

Hey, that was really nice. Thanks for sharing that.

when you talked to me about this actually the other day i thought you were only talking about sex xD i shoulda known better :P but no really - i dont care for sex between dragons and humans or ferals and humans or wahtever unless there was a real story behind it leading up to it .. but no, a touching relationship even a love for each other like toothless and hiccup is really sweet and i think you could draw some really great stuff like that hon. and id love to see it

Well I was talking about sex -in part- but I find the creation of a bond that makes it that much more.. unique I suppose? For some reason it feels like a taboo subject when I talk to people about it when I would figure it to be something people would really relate to and like to see.

its a thin line between that and the ever dreaded beastiality. but now that i think about it more id be interested in seeing youdraw such things <3

Yeah, I definitely think you're right about the bestiality part. Though I guess what confuses me is that if people like quadruped dragons at all, and sexual interaction involving them.. yet consider acts of interspecies sex involving humans as bestiality, it kindof throws logic out the window. But hey, who said we needed logic. 8)

Yeah i agree.. anyway..call me crazy but i think this is on a higher level than that in some way.. idk...
dont listen to me in crazy

x3 "everyone likes an Asari"

Yay. I believe that there is always a chance for a really wonderful relationship between the two.

It's fine with me in the vast majority of cases; I just never understood it when it's in the context of a pair that despise each other (e.g. Smaug with pretty much anyone).

It's a big YAY! ^'===='^

And just like you, I see the relation between a dragon a human like 2 big opposed beings. The big and almost immortal mythical creature on one side, and the other side, the small and weak creature with only this pink squishy hide as protection. As a pooltoy creature made of thin plastic material and filled only with air who loves dragons, I have no trouble understanding this point of view. ^'===='^

I'm fascinated by human and dragon sexual relationships myself. I'd paint pictures of it if I wasn't lousy at humans.

I have posted a story with that theme, however...

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4674395/

I really like the neat interactions that can happen between a huge beast and a smaller and perhaps more intelligent creature. It can be incredible and awe inspiring, whether it's a cute touching tale or dragons vs man.

While humans are not at the top of my list, I have no issues with them being paired with furry. Particularly the coupling of a fur that is grossly more powerful, willing to be careful with one far more fragile.

Also, upon searching for Toochcup (which is an awesome phrase), I must say I am even more intrigued.

A google search or one here on FA? :P

FA...I'm not sure I want to tempt the powers of Google with that! *laughs*

Yay

Mainly due to the fact that the movie has a good point that falling back on "tradition" isn't always the best way to go.
The common stereotype is that western style dragons are evil and humans must kill them to save the people/prove their "manliness".
I have nothing against dragons and humans being close like that. I guess that's always kinda been an underlying wish is that there'd be more friendship with things such as dragons and not so much.. "I killed one! I'm badass now!"
Not only that but the idea of opposite worlds coming together is an interesting thought.

I love the whole idea of human/dragon interaction. I myself am writing something along the lines of a child and a dragon adventure thing, maybe make it to comic form

Yay.

Theyre not a favourite for sure but I do love it when the pair do meet and the worlds do collide. Their meeting and the subsequent befriending and trials are always fantastic to watch

I think that the paring is classic one.
There are more old stories about people and dragons in myths than anything. People have always had some level of fascination with dragons. It's interesting when you bring it up in this community though because it seems that some people impose their personal stigmas on dragons due to a bad experience with a dragon character somewhere down the road.
In HTTYD it was presented in a tasteful way with that little dab of Pixar’s disgustingly cute style that helped more people be drawn in. I think that if dragons where portrayed less often as monsters and beasts, but in this manner people would indentify much more easily.

If this statement seems outlandish try imagining it read by Draco, voiced Sean Connery. That seems to help.

truly a Romeo and Juliet complex of sorts; i find it makes for a good story, and doesn't have to necessarily follow either "dragon hates human" or "dragon lurves human", it could be "dragon tolerates human" there's so many different ways stories can go just with two characters regardless of distances/differences, but i agree with you that i think those kinds of pairings are certainly more interesting, if not heartwarming. I vote yay :3

I have spent 7 years as a Dolphin trainer in various aquariums around the country and one in Europe. The controversy about relationships with a Human and non Human is pretty much a NONfact of life for me. I spent many, many hours swimming with them building a rapport with a non Human intelligence. There was one particular young male that loved to be played with. He would swim up to me and want to be twirled around, I would grab his dorsal fin and spin him around in a barrel roll fashion. . He loved that. He would also allow me to spin him by his tail. THAT is not something you can do without some sort of trust built up between him and me.

There was one time we swam and played for a couple of hours and it was time to wrap things up for the day. He would swim away from me and place himself between the stage and me to prevent me from getting out. I played with him for a bit longer. He did the same thing when I tried to get out. Again, I swam with him for a bit longer and once again tried to get out of the pool. This time he did not swim between me and the pool. He swam right up to me, he pressed himself right against me, his chest against mine. He took his pectoral fins and put then right up into my armpits. He then gently clamped his fins against either side of my chest and litterally grabed me and carried me away to the center of the pool.

I was astonished be this and contiuned for stay with him for another half hour. He swam right up to me again, belly to belly. He grabbed me by my armpits once again. I followed his lead and I wraped my arms around him. I could feet the warmth of his body, I could feel his heart beating in his chest. I gave him a hug and I saw him close his eyes. The two of us, hugging each other. Then, we simply sank to the bottom of the pool hugging each other. NO.. there was nothing sexual about this at all. no sign from him of anything like this at all. It was quite an encounter that I will remember for the rest of my life.

He was eventually transferred to another aquarium and then, I left for a different dolphin facility. After a few years I was able to go to the aquarium were he was and took a few pics of him for memories sake. I learned a few months after that that he had died from eating leaves from ornimental plants that grew around the park. That plant as it turns out had poisionous leaves. 3 other Dolphins also died because of that. He will always remain in my mind as a Dolphin that developed much, much more that just a "trained animal" relationship with me.

So, when I hear about stories that have Humans and "non Humans" develop a real relationship with one another, I have first hand experience that it does happen and it is truely something wonderful. }:=)

Thanks for sharing that, really touching story :)

Sonariss,
You are most welcome. I have always felt more comfortable around animals than I do with people. I am one of those Therians and that is also perhaps why I am also a part fo the furry community, because so many other feel the same. The look up to them, respect them and yes, try to emmulate those charateristics that make them special.

Fly well! }:=)

I agree with Sonariss. Very touching story. You wouldn't think something of that level would actually happen in real life.

Morca,
Thank you for those kind words. Yes, encounters and relationships like what I discribe are part of the wonders that does make up this world. So many other close themselves off, isolate themselves. All we have to do is open up a little, in mind and in spirit and try to see what we are actually looking at. To remove this attitude of Human superiority over the other creatures of this world. It can happen and it is my heartfelt wish for you that someday you find, discover and feel this bond we can have with other creaturs that are not Human.

Fly well! }:=)

I am all for the bonding that appeared in How To Train Your Dragon. That felt wonderful, which is why the various vore or sex mix-ups with Hiccup and Toothless often feel a bit...forced or odd. Still, while I don't mind the relationship a dragon and human might have, I much prefer fellow dragons. :)

I think I do agree with this. While I like seeing them, it doesn't feel like something the characters would actually do, so the situation doesn't feel natural. Though I guess that is also part of the appeal for some people :P

I guess it's pretty cool ;o

But yes it is an interesting and oddly polarizing issue. It's like 95% of people fall into the "Fuck that's hot" or "As long as there's no sex" categories, with almost nobody saying "I wouldn't mind it, but it's not any more or less hot." Odd, no?

I say yay to it :3 I remember reading the Dragon Lance books as a kid, and loving the idea of something so huge and powerful bonding with something a fraction of their size. Like mentioned in the journal, sex does not need to be a part of it, really. Generally I enjoy the parings, because it can show dragons in a way other then 'mindless evil death-engines' as shown in a lot of media, usually games/movies. I dont understand why people do not like it...but there are many things I don't understand.

Its a matter of preference in my opinion, I mean its kind of obvious that people who are furries, or at least most who are do so cause the thought of having sex in any form with a human seems a bit mundane these days. Hey some people still like it in some forms and thats cool, but I however am one of those that don't find much to be had in non-humans (as a general reference) doing it with humans.

But at the same time, it doesn't always apply since I find the concepts in games like Mass Effect interesting (Hate how you have to be female to get in with Garrus :/)

As for the HTTYD concept, well I find it cute with Toothless and Hiccup and the fact that it shows a way in which humans don't have to be stereotypical enemies with Dragons. Though you'll never see me looking for TxH artwork anytime soon.

*pets a little dwaggie and gives him candy*

i totally agree with you and you are one of those big beautiful dragons who i would love to see a human with

I suppose my views on it are that it can be done well and it can be done really badly. I can't say I have had the luck of developing a really close relationship with a nonhuman animal... and come to think of it, with a human, at least in the flesh. Because of that, I guess I still have a rather infantile view of a perfect close bond, and that's not something you see often, especially around the more carnal of pictures. That said, I'd love to see a close human/dragon relationship done where it's codependent, especially with a dragon that is sentient and/or capable of communication.

On a separate note, I agree with Onyx about the iffiness of how HTTYD dealt with Toothless and Hiccup's relationship - it still doesn't seem right to me that Toothless just accepted him, almost as if he didn't realize Hiccup was the one who crippled him. But hey, the movie was cute, and I did like Hiccup's losing his leg at the end - not because I want him hurt, but more because it was a nice parallel.

I do feel what you described. I love being the weak one, loving and being loved in return with the wonderful but also "dangerous" creature. <3

Loving dragons is a way to give my life the dream side it misses,
being a human character is like to give reality to my dream.

I'm glad you feel this way about who I am. ^^ *Hugs you tight.*

No qualms

Hey Morca, you wouldn't also happen to like two certain books by Elizabeth Kerner would you?

Sadly I don't really do reading aside from school :P

Awww....you need to find some cheep copies of "Song in the Silence" and "The Lesser Kindred".

It's all about the King of an Island of dragons and a human woman falling in love and changing the world.