no

I'm not giving up on FA!

I just feel bad for inkbunny, because last I checked they wanted to run a business seeking prints, and not just be a porn site.

Also I think it's really funny how so many people think fa will die with out cub porn. It really isn't that big, unless you spend all your time looking at it

XD <3 Agreed.

Wait, people actually believe that? Holy cripes...maybe it WAS a good idea to prune out the cub stuff, depending on how prevalent that attitude actually IS.

I haven't seen a pro-cub journal with out that, it's kinda sad. Though I have noticed a slight increase in the quality of art on the front page :) very small, but. . . Eaither way, nothing of value was lost.

^ this x10

PEOPLE already went to SoFurry and InkBunny. It was all or nothing. they couldnnt just easy up off the CP.

It's not really the sponsors that pulled out, it was the service that transferred the money.

...and no way am I leaving. : P

I completely agree with you hun. I'm not leaving at all

Nah, I'm staying. I've drawn some questionable stuff in the past, but I've been with FA since the original days and have no plans on leaving.

nope and yea somewhat
Leaving FA sometime next year, but not cause of the cub porn but cause me and  Synxirazu-niam wants to start somewhere else new when we start working with each other drawing arts.

so many are loving to use well furry = beastiality, what if that becomes illegal

I happily stated "Then wouldnt bug me, I'll just hang out with my Anime/hentai pals more"

I just hope they drop vore next.

I'm only worried that it's possible that other pornography will be banned as well because someone somewhere got offended and started a giant outcry against it. I didn't mind cub or loli because it seemed like a much better alternative to actual, you know, children, and fictional children won't grow up with five million issues and need six or more years of therapy just to feel safe going outside. People can scream all they want about it being just as bad as *reeeal* photos of kids but, actually it isnt lol.
But yeah.. I worry a whole lot about other fetishes, because it just doesnt seem fair to me..
I'm not leaving because It doesnt really affect me, but I just hope it doesnt branch out into anything else because I personally dont like the idea of doing that to people.

It's really unlikely that another fetish or kind of porn will be banned. Acoridng to a recent us law, any depiction of children engaged in sexual acts, regardless of wealth they are real of fictional is CP, so it's not so much someone's random decision that cub's bad, but snuff or even drawn bestiality is okay, it's the government's.

Oh I know, I'm just worried that the government will get offended by some other fictional depiction, so that will end up going too.

You know the old meme "and nothing of value was lost?"

yyyyyeah...

I lawled.

(trigger warning: discussion of childhood abuse and rape)
I've said this elsewhere, but the reactions in places have been so disheartening and unfortunate. I know why the art's being removed; that was a necessary business decision and that I have no truck with. When I say behavior have been disheartening, I'm talking about the sad attitudes, smug gloating, popping up on FA parts lately, of all those who people who try to dehumanize others talking about how horrible people who like this art are, or then try and expand it to babyfurs or whatever other kink the gloater does not like in some kind of attempt to ignore the "ewww gross" induced by their own kinks as they jeer and hoot and holler about someone else's quirks.

As I've gotten older, I've found my taste for bitterness and snark souring more and more. And I'm really, really saddened by all the outright mean gloating and jeering and sneering. It seems to have some sort of high-horse morally self-righteous thrust behind it that irritates me, creeps me right the hell out and makes me sad all at once. It's like they might understand the very real human-ness of whoever's behind the kink, but they don't give one whit. It's like they would rather be jackasses, because jackassery is easier.

I just kind of wish there wasn't so much dehumanizing of people who have a fetish that they find distasteful. It's like underage pr0n arts are getting all the misplaced guilt and shame that other furries might have for liking vore or giant dongs or gore or something. The bdsm community has a similar acronym summing up that attitude: YKINOK, aka Your Kink Is Not Okay. Which, considering the nature of most furries is general is kind of a weird sort of group cannibalization. It's a change that happened so FA can continue to gain ad revenue and donations... it's not like this ban says it's okay to bash people for what they like.

I am a real life survivor of childhood sexual abuse. I was raped when I was six years old. You'd think that would mean I'd want cub porn artists hung by thier collective thumbs. I'm a babyfur (duh), but while cub porn isn't something that is personally my thing, I am friends with those that have drawn it. In fact, some of these artists have been the most understand and supportive of me re: this situation. And just like the babyfurs I know, these cub artists are adults placing themselves in the role of the cub. I have not run across a single person that draws that sort of thing and has not also drawn a huge glowing red line between fantasy and reality. So, yeah, as an actual child survivor of sexual abuse, seeing people equate those that create a fantasy thing where no actual real anyone is harmed and is done through consensual adults is the same as real life abuse of a kid is grossly offensive to me and minimizes the real pain from a real act that I really went through. I find it pretty sad that artists , which of all people one would think would get the line between fantasy and reality bit, the whole "Okay, does't move me, but doesn't hurt anyone either" are now celebrating the fact that other artists are now not allowed to make certain kinds of art that doesn't hurt anyone, involving fantasy characters that never existed in situations that never happened.

In a further irony, my pal bridgeportcat pointed out that "...one of the admins being a dude who has, on multiple occasions, openly discussed having REAL LIFE RELATIONS with his pet dog. Shit you not. So ok, cub art and fantasy and not reality is absolutely wrong, but jacking off your REAL DOG in REAL LIFE and admitting to it and then being put on the staff but being told TSK TSK DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT PUBLICLY ANYMORE WINK WINK is ok? I DON'T GET IT."

Yeah. I don't either.

not leaving

didn't care for CP, won't miss it.

FA's sponsors are threatening to pull money and support because of this "grey area", because if the law ever did become finite about this issue (depictions of CP), all of the parties involved, including FA and alertpay/paypal/whomever, would probably be under investigation.
Just a little clarification:
What's happened is that AlertPay (another pay-service like PayPal) has already closed Fur Affinity's account, as a result of being alerted to CP on FA. All funds (donated by users of FA or otherwise) sitting in FA's AlertPay account have been seized, and (as a result of Canada's strict laws on child pornography, because AlertPay is a Canadian company) has refused the opportunity for FA to appeal the shut-down and seizing of their account/funds.

You're on the right page for everything else though: The ban is a result of keeping financial options open, and not a moral issue as it was in '06/'07.




Personally, I'm very glad the pornographic cub material is gone. And at the same time, it's not like ALL cub material is being banned, just the adult works. If it's REALLY that much of an issue for users to no longer have that particular pornographic material, they can move elsewhere.

I'll be staying.

Wow, that's... really shady, actually. Has the amount been disclosed yet?

Not to an exact figure, 'Neer has simply described it as "sizable". Sourcing this from the first post of the announcement thread, and post #102 on page five.

It's pretty straightforward, actually - AlertPay's Canadian; according to Canadian law drawn CP is as illegal as the real thing; AlertPay's User Agreement forbids using their service for sites containing "Pre-adult content, such as pictures, videos, etc., of individuals under the age of 18" and states that they "reserve the right to freeze or forfeit funds, as well as fine the account holder and/or cancel payment without notice" in case of a User Agreement violation

Whether cub porn specifically would be considered illegal under Canadian law, who knows, but as Dragoneer said somewhere in that all too long thread: He certainly wouldn't stand up in court and defend it

So yeah

Yeah, that's a good point. Devil's advocate in me is still going to argue that there's a line somewhere between actual depictions, realistically drawn depictions, and cartoon animals porking. Who's going to actually defend that though, because I sure as hell don't want any part of the discussion.

Yeah, that's it exactly
I think that fictional depictions of illegal activities should be legal, because fining or imprisoning people over lines on paper is just too damn silly
But I would never defend cub porn, because no matter how unrealistic, it still smells of pedophilia and for me that's just... no

This does not affect me in the slightest.

I just don't understand why people are upset about cartoon child porn getting banned. And to be honest, if Dragoneer said "stop drawing cats", I wouldn't care because that's his prerogative. It's his site, and we're not paying him.

I'm sure not leaving.

I'm not going anywhere
Cub porn being banned, good riddance