Even though i really enjoy being part of the Leveyan Satanism. I really do not like it when teenagers just use it as an excuse to reach out for their personal problems, but I would imagine that most good things MUST have it's ups and downs. heil s8n.

I do not care for the Wannabe Satanists either, i believe they give the rest of us a bad name and spread the fear to everyone.

Nothing really pisses me off about it except it still seems limiting to me. I'm uncertain if you have to believe/fit/whatever every part of the philosophy or the statements and the like or if you are a satanist if you fit the majority. I think I in fact just plain naturally fit very much of what LaVeyan satanism is about but there are some exceptions. I feel kinda like I'm not welcome if I'm not 100%, which doesn't feel any different than being a part of any other system for which I am also not 100% I don't fit 100% anywhere and I kinda worry about anyone who does.

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5368040

This thing from the other group talks in some part of that about Satanists vs some who are maybe "satanic" but not Satanists. I read that as they don't fully fit the bill.

"It takes a certain set of predispositions to accurately label oneself a Satanist, to naturally feel at home with all that Satanism entails. Satanism, as a philosophy, can be potentially taken and learned from by a large percentage of the population, but this does not make one a Satanist, but, perchance, Satanic. Qualities such as cowardice, insecurity, self-loathing, drug addiction, stupidity, constant life failures, unconditional niceness, and lack of direction (and there are MANY more) are clear indicators that the person in question and the title of Satanist are NOT compatible.
For such a person, Satanism isn't a direct reflection of one's core (as it is with Satanist’s), it can only be a human improvement program at best, which is valid on that level only. This is one distinction that many, be they Satanic "hopeful" or earnest researcher, would be better off to recognize."

So how many flaws can you have and still be a satanist? I think I have a lot of lack of direction but I think I still fit the spirit of all this pretty well.

I have not had time to answer your question yet but I will do my best too in the near future. I would first and foremost recommend you read The Satantic Bible, as it will lay out the ground work for you. Also it will give you a clear idea if this is truly right for you. Not everyone has what it takes. And you and only you can make this choice.

I have read the Satanic Bible and also The Satanic Rituals and part of The Satanic Witch. When I read it it was very much in line with me, but my ideas have changed on some things. And this is also a general question about, I think, most any belief system: If you have to follow (or be in line with) it all, or only a part, considering human imperfection.

it's fine I understand not being able to immediately deal with long responses, I get these as well.

Also, I am the sort that associates with the spirit of a thing rather than the details. The main, essential spirit of Satanism seems to be to Fulfill Your Nature, whatever it is. VS trying to change your nature to someone or something else's. Such as that of God, or a god's. I see Christianisty as a transformative process to something non-human and 'celestial." And Satanism, if transformative, is to go back from that "corrupted" transformation to being /human./ If I have a prescriptive statement to myself or anyone, it is Fulfill Your Nature.

Correct me if I have misunderstood.

I think too many people are overly concerned with titles, labels and trying to fit in right away.

I've been in or around this for about 3 years now. There's no "right away" to it. I'm wondering what is accepted, ie what a satanist is. There's the "rules" and guidelines all laid out, and then there are the /real people/ which their flaws and variations.

I will answer for everyone "BECAUSE I DONT UNDERSTAND!"

(Well everyone with exception.)

Ah so it's basically just fear then. That's something I really hope to conquer here with my page.

Fear is one of the strongest motivators and bonding elements (And magical, if you subscribe to that).. You can only do so much, to work around it. untill mass median actually does accept it, for what it is, and not some weird Hollywood stereotype, you will have to develop a very very thick shield :(

We all have our angels, some are just a little misunderstood.

Honestly I think it's often total lack of understanding. For others it's that there so stuck in there personal dogmas no matter how much logic we provide will ever be enough. Case in point, we provide information and wisdom to those who wish to seek it. As a Satanist we must always remember when others laugh at us; never allow it to bring you down. Because we will always have the last laugh!

Totally agree, there are just some people who just refuse to listen.
It never bother's me, if anything I rather enjoy listening to people's "rational" explanation of how we're damned.

I think it has to do to with social climate a lot more. I do not think society is ready.. and it's not ready because thoes who are in control of what is morally correct dont let it be acceptable yet..

Personally I can relate to it with racism. I have NOTHING agaisnt black people, but racism is so ingrained in my head, even at 31yo, I have to silence my own thoughts. fear and superiority are very hard to work through when you are programed with them

eye, i agree with the above comments, humans naturally fear and despise what they dont understand, its in there nature.

So very true and also so very sad. If only people could put their irrational fears aside.

I'd have to say that the only 'grudge' I carry is with the people within Satanism. I've joined a certain site that's basically Facebook for Satanists (theistic and atheistic) and I've gotten the notion that most people there think they're some kind of badass and know more than I could ever hope to. Granted, I've only read the Satanic bible and everything on the Church of Satan website itself (not its off-site links), so I'm not the brightest candle on the alter, but that doesn't give people the right to lash out at me when they're correcting my mistakes or proclaiming an even MORE LEFT stance than where I stand on a subject.

And no, this isn't being butt-hurt. It's just a miner irk I have with the common jack-ass 'bad-ass' Satanist.

Yeah I hear ya and feel the same way. Ego is probably my biggest pet-peeve with fellow Satanists too.

Might have something to do with the whole self-worship thing...

Two words: Joe Aufricht

Though more on that when and if I'm able to coem up with soemthign more open to discussion.

Because god is the real way to the salvation of all of us!!! god is true, satan are just lies and doom!!

jajajjajajaj xD just kidding, I really don't enjoy the satanism... actually although I listen black metal the "satanic" music, are just stereotypical ( black metal is not satanic )... to me the satanism are the same thing of all the religions... with commandments and everything.. and If you don't follow them, you will be doom.

But the people hate satanism because is the "nemesis" of al christendom. The american people hate islam too xD and they are no satanist D:

ALL RELIGIONS ARE THE SAME THING!! MASS CONTROL!! thats the same reason I don't follow any religion D:

PD: Satan love you :D jajajajja xD

A few for starters:

-The church of satan organizes rituals, writings and the use of magic, yet revolves around a chaotic realist philosophy and the only way they justify this is to call it all a metaphor. Not that it's a bad thing, but there's a big differnece between "hey the dumbass christian just thought I cursed him by saying 'ave satanas'" and "I'm going to fuck my wife on a pentagram in the presence of some guy with a goat mask, but dont' worry, it's all symbolic." Even some christians believe the supposed blood of christ really is just a metaphor, jsut wine, and yet they've still becoem corrupt and one of the most powerul institutions in human history, so laveyan satanism might be taking the wrong patch if it tries to take it's rituals too far, becuase it'll only add credence to the theories of the ignorant majority (which, let'f face it, is perfectly normal for humans to not immediately consider the cultural, social, economic & political implications of the culture shock they initially expeirnece in any similar situation) and much like today, it isn't seen as offensive, let alone revolutionay any more, it's just seen as silly and a huge joke. Using ancient non-christian deities to represent an essentally atheist religion also devalues the legitimacy of the curch's ability ot destroy a huge montheistic religion.

-ANton LaVey's history is steeped in misconceptions, a good part of them formed by himself, and his followers have carried the same air of grayness with them much like internet trolls. If your philosophy and attitude isn't clearer, again, not only will people be confused and call it silly, but the people within the church will be confused as to what's meant to be a joke, what's for real, who to trust, wh ythey do this, etc. Trickery and pranks are indeed part of the LaVeyan beiliefs, btu if it's honestly trying to make a dent in christianity, it needs to grow the fuck up. Afterall, chrisitnaity has thousands of years on the church's fifty or so.

-Joe Aufricht: his tapes are hilarious, but the fact people liek this exist turn people away from satanism for obvious reasons. The guy's creepy, annoying, possibly a pedophile, and while he states he doens't follow the church exactly, he still considers himself a part of it. His additions and subtractiosn from the original text(s) are no better than christian-born satanists i.e. the three or four suburban shithead kids who read none of the literature of the church, but wore pentacles and killed animals in the name of satan anyways. His character also highlishts an unfortunate stereotype of satanists, that they're all crazy or doped-up, or (ironically) unwilling to take responsibility for their actions.

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After reading The Satanic Witch, I regret to tell you all that Satanism has fallen out of favor with me. Why? Reading this book, it's all metaphysical psychobabble. Charts of broad personality catergories, cold reading-like personality checklists, contradictory feminism. No thanks, I could get a far better perspective from social psychology and science in general. Superfluous "magic" should have no place in an atheistic religion that openly acknowledges, or at least tries to acknowldge, that this shit isn't for real.

Also, the official CoS website provides instructions on how to become a memeber, namely, senging in $200 to be considered a member. Oh please, this is the same bullshit you Satanists were trying to avoid, correct? Or maybe you all ignore that part of the initiation process. Either way, it leads me to believe that ina ddition to being created as a joke by LaVey himself, Satanism was also intended to be a cult. How ironic.

"8. Satan represents all of the so=called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!"

After being a victim or pretty much a lot of these sins committed by others (particularly adultery and stealing) it's hard to find how that's really a... well... tolerable, responsible, or intelligent way to act.. But that's just me...

And as I'm sure as having been said earlier.. Self-proclaimed teen satanists are frustrating.

I dont like it cause people with books at church tell me not to like it!! DUH!

Long story short to any religion or beliefs. You believe in what brings you comfort and peace of mind in this world. you share your knowledge on it and give people the opportunity to join in your faith if they ask for it. No one should ever put down or criticize another beliefs simply because it is different, If you put the same thought when it comes to people not liking other religions when they are different , into not liking people, pretty much it would be a form of racism. Correct me if im wrong but I believe that every form of religion teaches tolerance, which includes shoving your own thoughts into someone elses head that did not ask for it, nor want it. The only time it is ever wrong in my mind along with pretty much every religion is when it begins to cause harm to other unjustly.

I have my own beliefs and in most cases i guess it would be considered opposite of this one, but shit, people are dumbasses because i know alot of atheists, satanic s, etc etc that are great people, and ive seen Christians kill others because the persons religion is different. So neither side is perfect, not even close, and neither should claim to be the "only way you should live"

All in all, people need to believe in what they want and choose.

I have no problems with satanism, or any religion really, as long as they don't shove it down my throat *Cough* Christianity *Cough*
As it was said earlier, I think it is mainly the press and the wannabe teenage-angsty "Satanists" out there giving the rest of the Legitiment ones a bad reputation for being rebelious and evil, also christianity's slander of anything progressive dosen't help.