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If You Have A Cross To Bear You May As Well Use It As A Crut
14 years ago
I had an agreement with that woman that she shouldn't talk to me (until I had calmed down, which to me is a sort of "don't call us we'll call you", ok?). She seemed to understand when I told her she was simply annoying.
Then I got another dA subscription gift, but from "anonymous" - I can't really do anything about that, so, moving on -
She really used my forum as a blog so I tampered with it to temporarily break it and left a page saying it would be back up when I felt saner.
For me IT'S A PRETTY RASH STEP TO TAKE, regardless that the forum is rather dead right now. I also made backups to make sure she wouldn't DELETE EVERYTHING if drama happened. I like to keep logs (even if I didn't read all her TL;DR). I only replied at one point to say something to her about some shit from her childhood, and I guess she takes those little things as outright encouragement.
She could have possibly believed I closed the forum because I felt down over the art school rejection, but managing it is really not taxing on me at all and besides I try to stay very professional with forum modding and be in the best interest of the userbase.
Now a few hours ago she gave me 5 dA points, (which is nothing but) NOT EXACTLY AN EXAMPLE OF LEAVING ME ALONE.
I ignored it for a while. Then I PM'ed this:
tigr3ss to zananeichan:
Hey, I told you to not give me stuff. So don't.
her reply:
I did not need them, thought I would give them to you to help you feel better, as I saw this "Closed until I regain my sanity." when i wanted to contribute another zwitter lone elf to help mer feel better as I am having an art block and tidy up my posts as i was deleted from photobucket, so the posts were damaged, and edit the links out
I apologise
So she doesn't really remember she is the cause of my being upset. Obviously I should be more upset over the art school shit right now, but I swallowed that camel and deal with it constructively even if I feel down right now.
My reply:
Well sorry but gifts do not make me feel better. "My sanity" refers to my calm, remember I told you to not talk to me before I got it back? What would make me feel better is if you respected that.
So yeah. Don't give me stuff.
I closed the forum because you use it as a blog.
I have to protect myself because I can't handle your problems, I have problems of my own. You have a lot of better friends online and I think you should stick to them.
I thought for a minute about waiting for a reply, but then I just returned her 5 points and blocked her again.
***
I have absolutely no qualms about sharing the correspondence anymore. I told her on 2-3 occasions not to give me gifts, several times to leave me alone and not initiate conversation or try to comment at me (even if my forum doesn't directly constitute talking to ME, blogging on my forum is over the line - her posts about her ideas were acceptable but not her spilling of her life story).
She believes I got the idea to block her from ED's charming page about her, but it's her own posts that convince me - she cannot lose an argument. (ED had collected links to these posts, that is all.)
Being near people with mental problems is REALLY rough on me because I have the issues I do, I know more stable and balanced people would have a much easier time just shrugging this shit off. But I don't have that armour right now.
I just noticed "zwitter lone elf" (she calls her things lone elf) though I can hardly copyright zwitter...
I really don't like this person.
She is a really unfortunate individual, victim of some dumb shit she couldn't help. But then she has ELECTED to make things worse for herself in life, including all the shenanigans she pull on dA. They're not my business, but these are just some of the things I've had to deal with:
You don't walk up to people you are a fan of and claim to be their friend.
You don't start talking about yourself, without first asking: first it was unwarranted self importance, then she starts all the sob stories.
You don't keep giving people gifts when they ask you not to.
You don't circumvent blocks by trying to get messages through via friends, clubs and fora.
You don't suddenly join every group I am in because I decide my elf is a SPACE elf.
You don't pretend that we've made up when I said I only tolerate you.
You don't insult me by insinuating I dislike you for being intersexed, trans, or being on ED.
You don't excuse your behaviour with "it's hard for me to communicate with Earthlings"
You don't make new clubs copypasted from mine but with different rules to allow precisely your thing, AND THEN INVITE ME TO THEM.
You don't make polls and journals that obviously refer to me and have your nod-dolls agree what a horrible person this is when they don't know both sides of the story.
You don't try to get sympathy by showing how suicidal you are.
You don't say you prefer to say FRIEND instead of random STRANGER.
(If I ever do any of the above, you are each allowed to punch me really hard for each infraction.)
(music: Moloko (Things To Make And Do) - If You Have A Cross To Bear You May As Well Use It As A Crutch)
edit: she emailed me:
I am sorry,, i did not know that your sanity refered to your calm...
I am sorry I did not mean to use the forum as a block I did not know that I was doing it I just wished to be accepted and not rejected.
Why do you reject and hate me ?
Taking votes for just emailing her the "you don't" list. Quite frankly making it makes me realize how harrowing she has been in the past month, where before I somewhat forgave or forgot things partially.
Then I got another dA subscription gift, but from "anonymous" - I can't really do anything about that, so, moving on -
She really used my forum as a blog so I tampered with it to temporarily break it and left a page saying it would be back up when I felt saner.
For me IT'S A PRETTY RASH STEP TO TAKE, regardless that the forum is rather dead right now. I also made backups to make sure she wouldn't DELETE EVERYTHING if drama happened. I like to keep logs (even if I didn't read all her TL;DR). I only replied at one point to say something to her about some shit from her childhood, and I guess she takes those little things as outright encouragement.
She could have possibly believed I closed the forum because I felt down over the art school rejection, but managing it is really not taxing on me at all and besides I try to stay very professional with forum modding and be in the best interest of the userbase.
Now a few hours ago she gave me 5 dA points, (which is nothing but) NOT EXACTLY AN EXAMPLE OF LEAVING ME ALONE.
I ignored it for a while. Then I PM'ed this:
tigr3ss to zananeichan:
Hey, I told you to not give me stuff. So don't.
her reply:
I did not need them, thought I would give them to you to help you feel better, as I saw this "Closed until I regain my sanity." when i wanted to contribute another zwitter lone elf to help mer feel better as I am having an art block and tidy up my posts as i was deleted from photobucket, so the posts were damaged, and edit the links out
I apologise
So she doesn't really remember she is the cause of my being upset. Obviously I should be more upset over the art school shit right now, but I swallowed that camel and deal with it constructively even if I feel down right now.
My reply:
Well sorry but gifts do not make me feel better. "My sanity" refers to my calm, remember I told you to not talk to me before I got it back? What would make me feel better is if you respected that.
So yeah. Don't give me stuff.
I closed the forum because you use it as a blog.
I have to protect myself because I can't handle your problems, I have problems of my own. You have a lot of better friends online and I think you should stick to them.
I thought for a minute about waiting for a reply, but then I just returned her 5 points and blocked her again.
***
I have absolutely no qualms about sharing the correspondence anymore. I told her on 2-3 occasions not to give me gifts, several times to leave me alone and not initiate conversation or try to comment at me (even if my forum doesn't directly constitute talking to ME, blogging on my forum is over the line - her posts about her ideas were acceptable but not her spilling of her life story).
She believes I got the idea to block her from ED's charming page about her, but it's her own posts that convince me - she cannot lose an argument. (ED had collected links to these posts, that is all.)
Being near people with mental problems is REALLY rough on me because I have the issues I do, I know more stable and balanced people would have a much easier time just shrugging this shit off. But I don't have that armour right now.
I just noticed "zwitter lone elf" (she calls her things lone elf) though I can hardly copyright zwitter...
I really don't like this person.
She is a really unfortunate individual, victim of some dumb shit she couldn't help. But then she has ELECTED to make things worse for herself in life, including all the shenanigans she pull on dA. They're not my business, but these are just some of the things I've had to deal with:
You don't walk up to people you are a fan of and claim to be their friend.
You don't start talking about yourself, without first asking: first it was unwarranted self importance, then she starts all the sob stories.
You don't keep giving people gifts when they ask you not to.
You don't circumvent blocks by trying to get messages through via friends, clubs and fora.
You don't suddenly join every group I am in because I decide my elf is a SPACE elf.
You don't pretend that we've made up when I said I only tolerate you.
You don't insult me by insinuating I dislike you for being intersexed, trans, or being on ED.
You don't excuse your behaviour with "it's hard for me to communicate with Earthlings"
You don't make new clubs copypasted from mine but with different rules to allow precisely your thing, AND THEN INVITE ME TO THEM.
You don't make polls and journals that obviously refer to me and have your nod-dolls agree what a horrible person this is when they don't know both sides of the story.
You don't try to get sympathy by showing how suicidal you are.
You don't say you prefer to say FRIEND instead of random STRANGER.
(If I ever do any of the above, you are each allowed to punch me really hard for each infraction.)
(music: Moloko (Things To Make And Do) - If You Have A Cross To Bear You May As Well Use It As A Crutch)
edit: she emailed me:
I am sorry,, i did not know that your sanity refered to your calm...
I am sorry I did not mean to use the forum as a block I did not know that I was doing it I just wished to be accepted and not rejected.
Why do you reject and hate me ?
Taking votes for just emailing her the "you don't" list. Quite frankly making it makes me realize how harrowing she has been in the past month, where before I somewhat forgave or forgot things partially.
Wow...
JUST wow. They have your icon slathered all over their page, and art for you where they ask "Why do you hate me?"
That's just crazy...
The article is now deleted, but the talk page still exist wherein I posted about blocking her as I could see she was not to be reasoned with. So that wasn't paranoid of her, but she still drew the wrong conclusion that I would take ED's word for anything.
*is in shock and awe*
.... on a side not, otherkins I have learned can be VERY crazy.
didn't realize my earthling pun there :B
"Ugh today I met this person on dA and they were really stupid"
is ok, but
"Ugh Zananeichan on dA is really stupid"
is not.
Although I didn't call her stupid, but I was technically a bit mean. Just wanted a message up there for her white knights.
I'm going to take a stab at it and see what comes of it. I don't mind writing a wall of text, but so far it looks as if no one has gone to great lengths to explain the facets of her behavior.
If after my lengthy explanations she continues to behave in the manner she does, then she truly is fucked in her brain and it would be wise to go about your life as if she didn't exist, regardless if she communicates with you.
Oh, and another fun little fact- her fall-back argument is that you (and everyone else) hate her because she's intersex. DA mods want to ban her/ 'censor' her pics? It's cause she's intersex. KC won't talk to her? It's because ED says she's intersex. You wouldn't think she was a freakyass stalker with severe mental problems if she wasn't intersex!!!1123
etc.
I really don't get how stubborn she is about the censor stuff. She also likes to turn her heart inside out on my forum and whatnot, so she must have no discerning line between public and private.
Maybe that is what happened.
My work here is done. ;)
I'm seeing that the nutter is taking a break from the internet and mentioned seeing a doctor on Wed. I'm now keeping an eye on her journals and I will be calling her out on her bullshit from here on out until something changes or I get an admin to say something to me.
This HAS to stop and if her friends won't do it, I'll be the malicious and callous cunt to do my best. Besides, I fucking love trolling.
It's a sad thing that this post will almost certainly be ignored and dismissed by precisely the people it could help most, but that's the self-defeating way it goes. Craziness only survives by immunizing itself against good sense.
Zana made another journal saying she was taking a break and STILL claims that people are neglecting her because she's intersex. I just don't understand how you can be that crazy and allowed on the fucking internet of all places.
I was reading the responses in her latest journal, and she was talking with one of her yes-men and then JUST BUSTS OUT WITH: "Oh and I have heard the earth talking, there will be another major earthquake!" right in the middle of the convo. This person has ZERO grasp of reality, and I'm tempted to say, borderline dangerous with this level of disconnect. There's no reasoning, no talking anything out. I'm fairly sure she understands one thing and one thing only: hostile confrontation. Everything else is treated as an invitation to be the best friend she can be to you.
This is so fucked up. I'm so, so, so sorry you had to be on the recieving end of such utter, utter bullshit.
icontigr3ssicontigr3ss: why do you hate me ?"
Holy fuck, I wish it was possible to contact RL authorities over something like this. Maybe it is.
Wow, sorry to hear you're dealing with such a nutcase. Someone needs to take the "elf's" computer off of her and ban her ass from the internet until such time as the nice men in white coats decide to release her if they ever do.
It's probably a bad idea. It could help if she would hear, but she won't. Everything you say or do is colored by her current obsessing over you. Because of this, it's more likely that any communication from you will have unintended consequences: for example, she might interpret the "you don't" list as a some kind of "tips on how to be KC's friend better" list, resulting only in her bugging you more, after some imagined attempts at self-reform.
In any case, it seems unlikely that you'll get anything but further "Why do you reject and hate me?" from her. I would throw in the towel, turn off the radio, cease communication, and let her bug someone else.
Yeah it's just an attention stunt. Before I pitied her so I would answer some questions but the more it went on, just no. She pulls the suicide card when losing arguments. WHEN LOSING ARGUMENTS. Jeesh Luise.
But seriously, she's just an attention whore. I don't think she'll kill herself. Because I know how people "act" when they're about doing such act, and I tell you. They don't go all like "baaaw, I'll kill myself" rampage.
I've also heard a fun little story about a person I used to know, that her sister was stalked by an ex, who was going like "baaaw, I'll kill myself". and hers mother was all like "okay, I'll go get the rope" XX,D (so no, he didn't do it, of course XD).
But anyway, whether she's actually have had it hard or not. There is many others having it tough, but not throwing other people under the car, if you see my point..
I hope she won't bother you too much forward, if you have blocked her (recommended).