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18 years ago
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█▀███████▄▀▀██████▀▀▀▀▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▀▀▀█████████▀█▀██▀ The sea was calm
And the night was hot
We were staying under deck
When the first boat shot
No suprise to us
That it hit us not
We were drinking under deck
When the second boat shot
The third boat loaded weapons
Before it's cannon shot
We were dancing under deck
When the fourth boat shot
We never will be hit
Led by the hand of god
We were sleeping under deck
When the next one shot
Aboard our ship
Down to the sea
We'll always be safe
God set us free
We seize upon the enemy
We win the fight
We're supposed to win
Because we have this right
Aboard our ship
Down to the sea
We'll always be safe
God set us free
We seize upon the enemy
We win the fight
We're supposed to win
Because we have this right
The wind blew hard
And the sea was rough
We were laughing under deck
When the last one shot
Aboard our ship
Down to the sea
We'll always be safe
God set us free
We seize upon the enemy
We win the fight
We're supposed to win
Because we have this right
Aboard our ship
Down to the sea
We'll always be safe
God set us free
We seize upon the enemy
We win the fight
We're supposed to win
Because we have this right
Aboard our ship
Down to the sea
We'll always be safe
God set us free
We seize upon the enemy
We win the fight
We're supposed to win
Because we have this right
Aboard our ship
Down to the sea
We'll always be safe
God set us free
We seize upon the enemy
We win the fight
We're supposed to win
Because we have this right
watermarks or no.txt
Ok...so I post my art on many artsites, DA, FA, and yiffstar as well as others. Now first of all, I hate having to put a watermark on my artwork. It sucks. No one likes doing it. But you know what? There are art theifs out there that will steal our art and use it as there own. This has happened to me a number of times and its very sad. So to help stop that i have to put a BIG FUCKING WATERMARK on my picture. (excuse my language)
Srsly tho, if you can't enjoy the picture even with the watermark, then i dunno...maybe there is something wrong with you. So...I posted my Pin-Up: Galina pic on Yiffstar. a user posted this comment on my pic:
i'm sorry, i really am
i was going to give you a 5/5 and fav, but then i saw the water mark
i really hate people that use watermarks, it's ruins the picture and defeats the purpose of even making it
there's nothing wrong with a signature, but a water mark sprawled across the image is like throwing a bucket of paint on the Mona Lisa
pity, it's a nice piece of work too, but you just had to put that trash on it
such a shame
How fucking rude is that? You don't have to say something like that. YEAH I HATE WATERMARKS TOO but you don't need to say "I hate people that use watermarks" How about I HATE PEOPLE THAT STEAL ART because if everyone on the internet wasn't a dick then i wouldn't have to do that.
So what do you guys think? Do you hate watermarks too?
Xizana
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
O_O ur kidding someone posted that
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bunnies_are_emo
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
Yup
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Xizana
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
OMG losers >.> i dont put water marks on my stuff just coz i no how easy it is to get rid of em but i have no problems if ppl do put em on geezzz im sorry that someone was a dick *huggels* ur work is amazing i would give u a 100000000000000000000000000000000000/5
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bunnies_are_emo
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
Seriously tho. I do hate watermarks. I want people to enjoy my pictures. But i have to protect my art as well. Sorry for the watermark but thats life. Besides, i always make my watermarks really faint and see through so you guys and still see it.
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tifreak8x
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
I think the watermarks are necessary evils for talented artists, sadly. I mean, for close friends, they can be given special copies, but for everyone, they get the marked version (hint hint) ^_~
Anyways, ignore him. *luffles on Nyoko* <3
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Leonix
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
Its a tough debate, but boils down to the reality of one (thief) ruining it for everyone else.
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bunnies_are_emo
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
yeah thats what it comes down too. I never used to use watermarks but then people started stealing my stuff so i had to start using them.
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Gatekat
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
Your watermark is not bad at all. The one DA lets you put on things is much harder to enjoy a pic with. You do what you have to. You've chosen that the irritation of folks who will tell you they hate you/that you watermark is less than the irritation of having your art stolen. I don't see it as any different than other choices folks make. Some folks will express their distaste at your choice to your face, and most will just shrug and keep it to themselves.
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ArmoredCoreRaven
(o3o) Posted: an hour ago
It's not rude or ignorant, and I agree 100% with whoever wrote that.
Watermarks and people who watermark art ruin art, and there are never any acceptable reasons to do such things.
Art theft is actually one of the worst reasons because you're not hurting the art theif by watermarking you're only hurting the art and the fans who haven't done anything wrong.
The art theives will just move on to stealing someone elses art if watermarking is all that is done do to "stop" them.
While the art itself and the fans are left to suffer for it.
Don't let one bad thing lead to another, because unlike popular belief two wrongs do not make a right...
Think about it... would you wreck your car/house/clothes/etc. so no one would want to steal that as well? No, you most likely wouldn't... but you'd ruin your art to keep people from wanting to steal that?
I just find that very odd, and I don't understand such behavior especially among talented and/or well known artists... whoever stole your art for example couldn't possible make more in the same style and quality as you can so proving they stole your art would be easy and in no way result in you permanently ruining your art for everyone, right?
(please excuse my english if there are errors, it's not my native language and I'm tired)
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bunnies_are_emo
(No Subject) Posted: couple of minutes ago
Hope you get some rest, your English seems fine to me. Just curious what is your native language?
Everyone has there own views. No You don't ruin your car, you make sure your doors are locked. To me, putting a watermark on my art is the same thing. Sorry if it ruins the image. Also for those people that commission me, I send them a high quality image without the watermark so they can enjoy it, since they paid me to do art for them (or requests that i do or trades of course)
Yes I agree that watermarks suck. Im just saying that it is a necessary thing for me. Also No, the thief's probably couldn't make more art in my style, but they then just go and steal more art that i have done and post that as well. I used to not put watermarks on my images and i had quite a few people steal like...20 pictures that i had done. Then they convinced people to commission them and pay them first. Then they would just disappear and people would find *me* and i would be blamed for stealing. It is a very big pain when other people ruin your reputation especially when your not a very well known artist.
I don't find that it is rude that people don't like watermarks. I find it rude to just be like "oh i hate people that do that and you just trashed your picture" I don't like people being rude. There are other ways to word such things. People can have their own opinions but please try and understand the artists view and why they do something instead of just being hateful or rude. Besides, My watermarks are usually very faded so that people can still see the picture. I don't like having a big distraction.
Anyways, thank you for sharing your view with me. I appreciate it.
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ArmoredCoreRaven
(o3o) Posted: an hour ago
My native language is swedish.
I wasn't trying to be hateful or rude (I was just sharing my view), and I don't think the person who wrote that comment on your watermarked image was trying to be either.
The contrary actually, it should be seen as a compliment that they would like to add your art to their favorites, and that they were kind enough to explain to you why they didn't.
Art is more important to me than pretty much anything, so my opinions may be a bit more extreme than those of "normal" people, who aren't that attached to art in their lives.
I just don't belive in punishing the innocent for crimes that other people have comitted. Not in any way, shape or form.
To me, watermarking because of an art theif, so the art and the fans suffer, is exactly that. Punishing the fans for crimes the art theif commited, and I just hate to see that happen.
I feel sorry for all artists that have had their art used against them in any way, and I understand their pain. I have had stuff happen to me as well, though not as severe as your scenario.
I cannot accept having the art itself and the fans suffer as a necessary evil. Because it's not necessary! It's a choise the artist makes that in no way is a have to.
To me it is the wrong choise because it's ultimately nothing but a selfish act that only really serves to hurts everyone but the person who did the crime.
It first hurts the artist because people won't be able to enjoy the art and thus the artist won't get the recognition they otherwise would get for their hard work, then it hurts the art itself, of course, by lowering the quality of it and not allowing the art to be seen in it's supposed form, and finally it hurts the fans who can't enjoy the art properly either.
All because of the one person the watermark effects the least, the theif, who simply ignores it, has a laugh at the damage he/she was able to cause, and moves on to steal from someone else as if nothing has happened.
Watermarking simply isn't an effective or a fair way of protecting art. Unless it's done right...
...I would like to add that if the watermark in no way serves as a distraction and the art can still be fully enjoyed then I have no problem with it, even when the watermarks are still there doing their job.
However, the type of watermarks that span all over an image is by no means acceptable! (deviantart sadly has tons of these...*shakes head*)
To me, the line is crossed when I have to focus on seeing the art. I should have to focus to see the watermark, not the other way around. That is where I draw the line for where I think it is to much watermark and to little art, and that is when I lose respect for the artist as well, when they are more concerned about art theft than sharing their art to the world.
And the night was hot
We were staying under deck
When the first boat shot
No suprise to us
That it hit us not
We were drinking under deck
When the second boat shot
The third boat loaded weapons
Before it's cannon shot
We were dancing under deck
When the fourth boat shot
We never will be hit
Led by the hand of god
We were sleeping under deck
When the next one shot
Aboard our ship
Down to the sea
We'll always be safe
God set us free
We seize upon the enemy
We win the fight
We're supposed to win
Because we have this right
Aboard our ship
Down to the sea
We'll always be safe
God set us free
We seize upon the enemy
We win the fight
We're supposed to win
Because we have this right
The wind blew hard
And the sea was rough
We were laughing under deck
When the last one shot
Aboard our ship
Down to the sea
We'll always be safe
God set us free
We seize upon the enemy
We win the fight
We're supposed to win
Because we have this right
Aboard our ship
Down to the sea
We'll always be safe
God set us free
We seize upon the enemy
We win the fight
We're supposed to win
Because we have this right
Aboard our ship
Down to the sea
We'll always be safe
God set us free
We seize upon the enemy
We win the fight
We're supposed to win
Because we have this right
Aboard our ship
Down to the sea
We'll always be safe
God set us free
We seize upon the enemy
We win the fight
We're supposed to win
Because we have this right
watermarks or no.txt
Ok...so I post my art on many artsites, DA, FA, and yiffstar as well as others. Now first of all, I hate having to put a watermark on my artwork. It sucks. No one likes doing it. But you know what? There are art theifs out there that will steal our art and use it as there own. This has happened to me a number of times and its very sad. So to help stop that i have to put a BIG FUCKING WATERMARK on my picture. (excuse my language)
Srsly tho, if you can't enjoy the picture even with the watermark, then i dunno...maybe there is something wrong with you. So...I posted my Pin-Up: Galina pic on Yiffstar. a user posted this comment on my pic:
i'm sorry, i really am
i was going to give you a 5/5 and fav, but then i saw the water mark
i really hate people that use watermarks, it's ruins the picture and defeats the purpose of even making it
there's nothing wrong with a signature, but a water mark sprawled across the image is like throwing a bucket of paint on the Mona Lisa
pity, it's a nice piece of work too, but you just had to put that trash on it
such a shame
How fucking rude is that? You don't have to say something like that. YEAH I HATE WATERMARKS TOO but you don't need to say "I hate people that use watermarks" How about I HATE PEOPLE THAT STEAL ART because if everyone on the internet wasn't a dick then i wouldn't have to do that.
So what do you guys think? Do you hate watermarks too?
Xizana
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
O_O ur kidding someone posted that
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bunnies_are_emo
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
Yup
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Xizana
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
OMG losers >.> i dont put water marks on my stuff just coz i no how easy it is to get rid of em but i have no problems if ppl do put em on geezzz im sorry that someone was a dick *huggels* ur work is amazing i would give u a 100000000000000000000000000000000000/5
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bunnies_are_emo
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
Seriously tho. I do hate watermarks. I want people to enjoy my pictures. But i have to protect my art as well. Sorry for the watermark but thats life. Besides, i always make my watermarks really faint and see through so you guys and still see it.
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tifreak8x
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
I think the watermarks are necessary evils for talented artists, sadly. I mean, for close friends, they can be given special copies, but for everyone, they get the marked version (hint hint) ^_~
Anyways, ignore him. *luffles on Nyoko* <3
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Leonix
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
Its a tough debate, but boils down to the reality of one (thief) ruining it for everyone else.
Reply to this post
bunnies_are_emo
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
yeah thats what it comes down too. I never used to use watermarks but then people started stealing my stuff so i had to start using them.
Reply to this post
Gatekat
(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago
Your watermark is not bad at all. The one DA lets you put on things is much harder to enjoy a pic with. You do what you have to. You've chosen that the irritation of folks who will tell you they hate you/that you watermark is less than the irritation of having your art stolen. I don't see it as any different than other choices folks make. Some folks will express their distaste at your choice to your face, and most will just shrug and keep it to themselves.
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ArmoredCoreRaven
(o3o) Posted: an hour ago
It's not rude or ignorant, and I agree 100% with whoever wrote that.
Watermarks and people who watermark art ruin art, and there are never any acceptable reasons to do such things.
Art theft is actually one of the worst reasons because you're not hurting the art theif by watermarking you're only hurting the art and the fans who haven't done anything wrong.
The art theives will just move on to stealing someone elses art if watermarking is all that is done do to "stop" them.
While the art itself and the fans are left to suffer for it.
Don't let one bad thing lead to another, because unlike popular belief two wrongs do not make a right...
Think about it... would you wreck your car/house/clothes/etc. so no one would want to steal that as well? No, you most likely wouldn't... but you'd ruin your art to keep people from wanting to steal that?
I just find that very odd, and I don't understand such behavior especially among talented and/or well known artists... whoever stole your art for example couldn't possible make more in the same style and quality as you can so proving they stole your art would be easy and in no way result in you permanently ruining your art for everyone, right?
(please excuse my english if there are errors, it's not my native language and I'm tired)
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bunnies_are_emo
(No Subject) Posted: couple of minutes ago
Hope you get some rest, your English seems fine to me. Just curious what is your native language?
Everyone has there own views. No You don't ruin your car, you make sure your doors are locked. To me, putting a watermark on my art is the same thing. Sorry if it ruins the image. Also for those people that commission me, I send them a high quality image without the watermark so they can enjoy it, since they paid me to do art for them (or requests that i do or trades of course)
Yes I agree that watermarks suck. Im just saying that it is a necessary thing for me. Also No, the thief's probably couldn't make more art in my style, but they then just go and steal more art that i have done and post that as well. I used to not put watermarks on my images and i had quite a few people steal like...20 pictures that i had done. Then they convinced people to commission them and pay them first. Then they would just disappear and people would find *me* and i would be blamed for stealing. It is a very big pain when other people ruin your reputation especially when your not a very well known artist.
I don't find that it is rude that people don't like watermarks. I find it rude to just be like "oh i hate people that do that and you just trashed your picture" I don't like people being rude. There are other ways to word such things. People can have their own opinions but please try and understand the artists view and why they do something instead of just being hateful or rude. Besides, My watermarks are usually very faded so that people can still see the picture. I don't like having a big distraction.
Anyways, thank you for sharing your view with me. I appreciate it.
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ArmoredCoreRaven
(o3o) Posted: an hour ago
My native language is swedish.
I wasn't trying to be hateful or rude (I was just sharing my view), and I don't think the person who wrote that comment on your watermarked image was trying to be either.
The contrary actually, it should be seen as a compliment that they would like to add your art to their favorites, and that they were kind enough to explain to you why they didn't.
Art is more important to me than pretty much anything, so my opinions may be a bit more extreme than those of "normal" people, who aren't that attached to art in their lives.
I just don't belive in punishing the innocent for crimes that other people have comitted. Not in any way, shape or form.
To me, watermarking because of an art theif, so the art and the fans suffer, is exactly that. Punishing the fans for crimes the art theif commited, and I just hate to see that happen.
I feel sorry for all artists that have had their art used against them in any way, and I understand their pain. I have had stuff happen to me as well, though not as severe as your scenario.
I cannot accept having the art itself and the fans suffer as a necessary evil. Because it's not necessary! It's a choise the artist makes that in no way is a have to.
To me it is the wrong choise because it's ultimately nothing but a selfish act that only really serves to hurts everyone but the person who did the crime.
It first hurts the artist because people won't be able to enjoy the art and thus the artist won't get the recognition they otherwise would get for their hard work, then it hurts the art itself, of course, by lowering the quality of it and not allowing the art to be seen in it's supposed form, and finally it hurts the fans who can't enjoy the art properly either.
All because of the one person the watermark effects the least, the theif, who simply ignores it, has a laugh at the damage he/she was able to cause, and moves on to steal from someone else as if nothing has happened.
Watermarking simply isn't an effective or a fair way of protecting art. Unless it's done right...
...I would like to add that if the watermark in no way serves as a distraction and the art can still be fully enjoyed then I have no problem with it, even when the watermarks are still there doing their job.
However, the type of watermarks that span all over an image is by no means acceptable! (deviantart sadly has tons of these...*shakes head*)
To me, the line is crossed when I have to focus on seeing the art. I should have to focus to see the watermark, not the other way around. That is where I draw the line for where I think it is to much watermark and to little art, and that is when I lose respect for the artist as well, when they are more concerned about art theft than sharing their art to the world.
