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14 years ago
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I'm probably gonna get shit for saying this but oh well!
I gotta say, the ever increasing number of ass, crotch, tit, and whatever fluid icons is starting to bother me.
There. I said it.
I suppose it makes me a hypocrite because I draw porn and I've had mature icons up for short periods of time. HOWEVER. I think some are just pushing the envelope too far. Just because it's within the bounds of the rules of being rated pg-13 doesn't mean you should throw sexuality into other people's faces. Yes I am aware that ass and tits are a part of the body and are only sexualized because of society and blahblah. Point is that nobody here is going to see your picture and think you're anything more than someone who wants attention for your sexual interests.
I swear every time I see someone try to make a serious statement or comment and they have this bouncing ass just fucking RIGHT THERE. It immediately voids any validity of their statement. It's like getting caught picking your nose before a job interview. All they will think about is you picking your nose. They won't be thinking about what you said.
Just wanted to let people know. Kthnx :3.
I gotta say, the ever increasing number of ass, crotch, tit, and whatever fluid icons is starting to bother me.
There. I said it.
I suppose it makes me a hypocrite because I draw porn and I've had mature icons up for short periods of time. HOWEVER. I think some are just pushing the envelope too far. Just because it's within the bounds of the rules of being rated pg-13 doesn't mean you should throw sexuality into other people's faces. Yes I am aware that ass and tits are a part of the body and are only sexualized because of society and blahblah. Point is that nobody here is going to see your picture and think you're anything more than someone who wants attention for your sexual interests.
I swear every time I see someone try to make a serious statement or comment and they have this bouncing ass just fucking RIGHT THERE. It immediately voids any validity of their statement. It's like getting caught picking your nose before a job interview. All they will think about is you picking your nose. They won't be thinking about what you said.
Just wanted to let people know. Kthnx :3.
THAT WILL SHOW EM.
i joke my red friend.
but yeah i notice too.
*hug*
(I agree with you totally)
"OMG! Ramune is so deleeshus! I drinks you alls the tiem!"
And you want to change your avatar to something else.
Though, you're right. It's hard to take people seriously when they have a giant .gif of an ass just right there in your face. It's distracting and often shreds decent conversation like a six-year-old with a chainsaw. In fact, animated avatars at all can get annoying...(whiches he had the skill to make animated .gifs...)
Throwing your balls around! AT THE CAMERA!
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Not saying you made any in this post, mind you. I see a parallel there....for you it's ridiculous icons, for me it's poor English!
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/gram.....s/ellipsis.htm
Its sad that I remember my english teacher constantly throwing the book at pretty much anyone that used an ellipsis wrong.
It would be hipocritical of me to attempt to pick on your statement however, as I often do the same thing still....at least in informal settings.
But I totally agree with you, when I see a ton of l33t speak or txt type, it really bugs me. Grammar I'm a little more forgiving on, simply because quite a few people here are not native english speakers.
And the blatent gray area icons bug me too.
Seriously, the way I see it the Avatars should all be G rated.
^.=.^
No, on a serious note, I wholeheartedly agree with you there, I hear some of those kinds of people say "oh, no I'm not really into sex, I'm still a virgin, not interested, I only do things with my mate, etc excuse" yet I *know* better, if not from you, then from others who told me your escapades!
it's ironic how some of these people say these things.
Have some self respect and some decency, icons aren't blocked by maturity filters, so keep it to the submissions that are rated as such.
Even if you do come here for porn, what happens if sometimes you come looking for a culture that isn't completely saturated with sexual overtones? Like say.. in a journal for discussion, or shouting on a friend's page for fun, only to see that familiar bouncing ass.
It's a minor inconvenience, I'll admit. I wouldn't ragequit for something as insignificant as an opinion. But I think the issue shouldn't be black and white. I wouldn't say I'm being dishonest for requesting G avatars while viewing mature work. It just seems in good taste to me in a website that offers more than just porn.
On the threat.
I find your view interesting as they really just make me flash a smile and shake my head~
The only obvious downside to this idea is that if adult avatars were allowed, then literally, we'd see nothing but cum drenched asses -and cocks. ...Wait, what am I talking about, that's not a downside.
I doubt such an update will happen anytime soon though.
and yeah the underage thing is a good point too but I'm sure most furrys are not out to "think of the children!" on here.
uhhhhhhhhhh no, you're not.
I think self-righteousness and hypocrisy in FA journals is much more worth-while, if you want to complain about something that isn't going to change, but will get a bunch of head-nodding comments and make you feel like people care about what you say, regardless of how inane and sophomoric it is.
What a brain trust you are. Maybe you'd have read it if it was porn.
Just trying to point out how unnecessary degrading language is on any topic, especially ones with moral value...
People such as the person whose comment you're replying to make statements like that not out of a genuine interest in respectfully discussing a difference of opinions, but usually only to create dissension and to pick a fight. The intention IS to insult and provoke and rile people up, or else they would be far more mindful of how they word their opinions. It's one thing to disagree with someone ... it's another thing entirely to be (sorry for the strong wording) an unrepentant asshole, for it's own gratuitous sake.
I'm not even referring to his reply to Frost (it was KIND of deserved, as making that comment usually is an open invitation for trouble), but rather his original comment that prompted it. He could have disagreed without copping an attitude, in my opinion. It's just really unnecessary, and serves no purpose other than to willfully cause drama. =/
However, I'm a bit curious as to why you think that it is your place to tell me how to behave, particularly given your infantile (and I won't apologize, because I don't see the need in inefficiently attempting to mask insults behind bullshit to try to make it look like I'm doing something else; you could save time and learn a thing or two about that, and hopefully realize that there isn't any, real difference along the way) misunderstanding of the situation. You make broad, sweeping assumptions (funny that you like to make sweeping assumptions, but hate to make sweeping dismissals! Not that your behavior, such as but not limited to telling people that the best resolution would be to delete their own opinions, really gives me the impression that you don't just love sweeping dismissals) regarding my motives, intent and tone, and summarily make broad, tangential, emotive pleas based on such well-selected, but blatantly incorrect, assumptions.
If you'll excuse me - not that I want to start telling you what to do, like you've done to me - while I lol at your additional involvement (now referring to your second post, here) that seems to contain little more than a rather contradictory request for the discussion to end, whereas it's rather obvious that your own comment begs for response (not to mention the one that you then went on to make after that). And don't waste my time: I am not, have not been, and have not stated to have been, interested in ending the conversation, particularly on the terms you've outlined. Your statements are ludicrous and completely undeveloped.
Finally, regarding whether or not this is a "porn site", I'd love to see those statistics. Please weigh and edit them appropriately by removing all non-furry art from the statistics, as well as reweigh based on the statistics (I'm sure that you have them, considering how uninterested you allege to be in making unsubstantiated claims!) that are available for the amount of adult work that is incorrectly labelled; I'm sure you're aware that there's quite a bit. Then, again, and I'm sure that you have these statistics, could you please reweigh for art that contains material such as the type that is mentioned in this discussion, but that may be acceptably labelled as something other than adult? Because, of course, I'm sure that you understand that your assessment of FA not being a porn site without such statistics (again, I'd still like to see the general statistics, for graphic art) would be any combination of biased, incorrect and/or irrelevant to this, particular discussion. So, these statistics, please. I know you'd never catch yourself making, "wild claims [that: watch your grammar] [you] have no hope of backing [up: grammar] with plausible evidence [we don't need an Oxford comma, in this case] and just stick to it blindly," as you put it, so I'm sure you have such information at your disposal. Not that, even if you did, it would take a particularly high IQ to realize that FA is, honestly, a porn site, no matter how convenient you might find it to attempt to apologize this fact away: the primary functionality and draw of this site is adult artwork. Without adult artwork, this site would comparatively fail. Without "clean" art, this site would pretty much be the same.
Anyway, I'm sure that you won't respond, because you're so eager for the conversation to end. Not that there's really much you could possibly have to say; one only assumes, given the vacuity in your previous posts that I've only just touched upon.
I've unfortunately dealt with people over the internet who behave as you, and no matter how civil I attempt to be, and how hard I try to understand their point of view and bridge a middle ground that is less hurtful and drama-inducing, it gets thrown back into my face. Why? Because it's the conflict ITSELF they seek. Not a sincere discussion of differences. Not a civil discourse where respect is given to ALL parties. Merely a means to an end, to amuse themselves with the resulting backlash. If you have the means to disprove the stigma you've placed upon yourself (in THIS situation, at least) by dropping this snarky attitude and condescending manner of expressing your opinions, I will whole-heartedly offer my apologies for jumping to the conclusion that your words were out of spite, and not words hastily-spoken out of frustration for one reason or another. But given the way you've conducted yourself thus far? I don't see how further lengthy discussion is going to result in anything other than MORE conflict and MORE drama, rather than a genuine resolution (tho truthfully, I would have been alright with simply agreeing to disagree, so long as the petty insults and patronizing tone was omitted, out of respect for the owner of this journal).
Was it hypocritical of me to label people who behave as you "unrepentant assholes"? Yes, I'll admit that it was uncalled for, even when placed up against your own behavior. But I, too, am human and make lapses in error, and don't sometimes think things through before speaking. But I CAN, however, admit when I say something out of line, due to frustration (both because of this situation and the fact that I've had a shitty week, which is the fault of nobody here). And despite the fact that you'll choose to label my apology false, I will offer it all the same. Whether or not you accept isn't going to change its sincerity. The rest of my points made, however, despite that unneeded outburst on my part, still stand. Perhaps my outburst is, in fact, an example of how conversations like these ARE counter-productive, and just cause needless stress and animosity.
I claim no desire to control ANYTHING. I merely saw what was turning into a bad situation, and I no longer like to see people feel bad or be MADE to feel bad, for no reason. This is a situation where two parties are perfectly capable of disagreeing without one putting the other down. It's immature and excessive, as my calling you an asshole on reflex plainly showed. Hatespeak just breeds more hatespeak.
THAT is my entire point. If you want to voice a contrary opinion, you're WELL within your right to do so. But respect for those who haven't first disrespected you is paramount. Morca in no way gave you a reason to disrespect him, so that's why I spoke up (tho I do still apologize for using such harsh language).
IF you wish to discuss this matter with me further, I invite you to send me a note and we can debate this civilly. If, however, this is going to further degenerate into dissecting one another's arguments and jabbing in the occasional petty insult of condescending remark here and there, I honestly have no interest in that, I'm sorry. The internet (and, indeed, this very site) is chock-full of people looking for drama and fights like that, tho, so you'll have no trouble seeking that elsewhere. I'm sorry, but I'm just here to socialize (in a POSITIVE way), view artwork, and share some of my own. I leave the drama-harvesting to others who take pleasure in that type of behavior.
As for the statistics I mentioned, I don't remember the other two mods I had seen offer a link to a breakdown of the percentages of what types of art are uploaded to FA (it was well over 11 months ago), but I DO know that one of the people I saw link something of that nature was Dragoneer, himself, and I had no reason to believe that the numbers were tampered with, seeing as how a third-party site was used for the calculations Thus the site used is in no way affiliated with FA and its owners. I just finished scanning through a year and 9 months' worth of Dragoneer's journals, and didn't see the journal, in question, but I'm sure it's still in there, has he had no reason to delete it. I'm sure that upon request, he'd be more than happy to provide you with said statistics on request, which will verify the info beyond a doubt. If, however, your only interest is in perpetuating FA conspiracy theories about how the "Evil Dragoneer" would willfully lie to you, then that's your prerogative. I, however, choose to stay well out of range of that type of drama, as it serves no benevolent purpose.
I know you'll interpret my withdraw as both a victory of a battle that never actually happened and a justification to discredit my point of view, but as I said from the very beginning, when I see drama, I choose to DIScourage it, rather than perpetuate it and the negative feelings it promotes. I hope this situation does not spiral further out of control, as it would then force the admins to get involved, and nobody deserves to have action taken against them for what truly is a VERY unnecessary disagreement.
It's only fair.
This is a situation where two parties are perfectly capable of disagreeing without one putting the other down.
If you want to voice a contrary opinion, you're WELL within your right to do so. But respect for those who haven't first disrespected you is paramount.
People disagree. That's perfectly normal, as we all have varying points of view and differences in opinion. Where I take issue is when people use their right to disagree to trample the feelings of those who feel differently than them, especially when the 'opposing party' has don't nothing to personally wrong them and be deserving of disrespect.
Just because it's the anonymous world of the internet on which we're convening, it doesn't eliminate the obligation of civil treatment towards those who've done you no wrong. It's always easier to disassociate these usernames and avatars from the people typing behind them, but doing so doesn't change the fact that words carry weight. Regardless of if they're written or spoken.
"I do implore you, your majesty (who "implores" someone other than their majesty?), to stfu, at this point."
If you had been honest and forthcoming about your reasons for being here in the first place, rather than feign a stance of civility, this would have been over before it had begun, because I would have reported the offending comments to the admins and ceased all further attempts to communicate and reason with you. As you gave me the false hope and belief that you were capable of speaking to someone as an equal--rather than a lesser peon for you to spit upon--I maintained a willingness to engage you in further dialogue, and even offered my apologies for misinterpreting your intentions (trying to give you the benefit of the doubt). I see now that the only misunderstanding on my part was in actually TRYING to understand you at all. While it was inappropriate of me to verbally insult you, I should have stuck to my original stance--those who behave as you do are beyond reasoning with. Your only interest is in the arguing, itself, not in the resolution of conflict.
I find it odd that you would assume that I have approached you with any sense of superiority over you or ANYONE else in this journal, when that is, in fact, what -you- have been doing this entire time (and, indeed, continue to do so). And IS, in fact, one of the many things with which I took issue. That you would now try to place that upon me is not only unfair, but in poor taste. I don't think I could have tried any harder to communicate with you, save for laying aside all my opinions and my every understanding of right and wrong and just mindlessly agreed with your every word.
In insulting you initially, I lost some credibility, I readily admit, but when you and I -actually- began speaking rather than be commenting to other people, my only interest from that point forward was to try and get you to understand how your behavior could be interpreted as unnecessarily hurtful and inappropriate. When you no longer shared an interest in reaching a civil understanding, I made the decision to withdraw further communication with YOU, in regards to YOUR commentary. I will not, however, willfully be rude to those who wish to engage with non-confrontational conversation with me, and just ignore their replies to me, simply because they exist in this same journal. Likewise, I fail to see how talking to other individuals not associated with you about similar subjects can be interpeting as perpetuating YOUR drama. They are two entirely distinct conversations, even if the subject matter is similar. You both reacted to this journal with different ways of expressing yourselves, but it doesn't make it any less inappropriate and rude. I believe in trying to get people to understand when something they say or do might hurt people unnecessarily, and when I can, intervene as a mediator to find common ground and resolve the issue. I have -always- been honest with -my- intentions within this conflict from the first moment I spoke. You, however, have not afforded me the same courtesy.
You feel that in the wording of Morca's journal was a "tone" to which you felt the need to throw back at him, when it was never directed to you, specifically, at all. If you took offense by it, you could have just as easily said so, without the egotistical posturing and copious amounts of snark. Just because you take offense to something or someone, it does NOT automatically entitle you to behave disrespectfully. Showing tact and poise EVEN when confronted by something/someone that upsets you is what being admire and look up to. NOT how many petty jabs you can take. As someone who used to give in to such behavior at the drop of a hat, I learned the hard way that the only one you shame by behaving that way is yourself.
Somehow you've misinterpreted my calm and articulate manner of speaking with you to be in similar fashion to your own--and thus equally condescending--when nothing could be further from the truth. I'm choosing to speak to you as an EQUAL; two adults who simply disagree. If you're trying to conclude other intentions beyond that, then you're looking in the mirror, not at me.
It's for the best, tho, really, because I really loathe these big unnecessary drama-storms that serve no other purpose than to cause people to get frustrated and feel bad. T_T
As well, I think that you generally misinterpret the vast majority of what I wrote, regarding its intent, tone and meaning; comments you make regarding my own being directed and/or referencing (beyond what is patently obvious) seem to be incorrect. I refer only to the person who wrote this journal. As well, words like "illogical" are not derogatory: it is nothing more than a factual statement regarding what is obviously the state of affairs, specifically the deficient and fallacious "reasoning" and the statements that follow from it. Also, there is nothing emotional about what I write. The veracity of my statements is irrelevant to an association that you allege it to have with some sort of "emotional outburst," and not only is the random and, in my opinion, entirely unfounded (why, exactly, do you think I'm "emotional"?) is completely equatable to, "u mad?" It's worthless rhetoric.
Frankly, I don't see any argument from you that is either unfounded or informally fallacious. This is not "degrading": this is stating a fact. The idea that I should not post anything because I disagree with the person who posted the journal is also completely illegitimate, and is akin to saying that nobody should ever publicly disagree. Or is this some sort of special, extenuating circumstance? If so, can you explain why and how? Thoroughly, please.
I think it's been stated MANY times over that statistically-speaking, the clean art to adult art ratio is actually MUCH heavier on the clean side than the dirty. But, again, some just find it easier to make wild claims they have no hope of backing with plausible evidence, and just stick to it blindly.
Just because a larger portion of the user base reacts more favorably to adult content than to clean artwork, that doesn't change the percentages of what types of art actually ARE on FA. And the numbers aren't what you'd expect. Dragoneer made a journal a long while back showing the breakdown of the actual statistics of what types of artwork are being uploaded to FA. The largest portions were actually those with General tags, not Mature and Adult. But, then again, there are literally hundreds of THOUSAND submissions on this site.
It's equally misguided to assume that it's MOSTLY pornography, solely because that's what a lot of users expect. If that were the case, you'd see very little artwork if you were to toggle on your mature content viewing capabilities off. But that just simply isn't so. If you wish to test it sometime, turn off adult content and browse FA for an hour or two. You'll be amazed by how much artwork--GOOD artwork-- you'll still be able to view.
trolololololololololololololo
However the butt walking shots only make me think of one thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwrPuCnNbv8&t=2m8s
nah im joking, i do see alot of flying bouncing boobs and really explict asses, mines quite tame.
it is from the origin of all offensiveness
lol watch the video its even funnier
Thundercats, ho!
Thundercats
Are on the move
Thundercats are loose
Feel the magic
Hear the roar
Thundercats are loose
Thunder, thunder
Thunder, Thundercats!
Thunder, thunder
Thunder, Thundercats!
Thunder, thunder
Thunder, Thundercats!
Thunder, thunder
Thunder, Thundercats!
Thundercats!
I just had to. XD
Forgot the brackets :V
:3
Just FYI:
http://help.furaffinity.net/article.....uidelines.html
Avatars must be work safe. They may not contain blood/gore/fluids, rapidly flashing colors/images (i.e. "seizure mode"), outlines/indentations of genitalia or nipples. Avatars containing animated breasts or posteriors are permitted, so long as the animation are subtle on nature and remain tasteful.
If you want vulgarity and open sexuality, put it in your gallery and slap a Mature or Adult rating onto it. Give people the CHOICE of whether or not they want to see that kind of content. Making that sort of thing your avatar doesn't GIVE the viewer a choice. They WILL have to view it, no matter what. It's not like avatars can be toggled off.
I just wish the admins would actually ENFORCE this sort of thing strictly, rather than picking and choosing which ones they feel are worth policing. I don't see any REAL administrative action being taken against this sort of thing. =/
My gallery has smut and fetishes and kinks (Oh my!), but my icon's pretty tame. :)
Totally on board with this notion.
While I do enjoy the occasional sexy icon I have to agree with you. Let's practice at least a little discretion when in public. I mean...think of the younger furs trying out their art for the first times!
Also, the only reason I'd be irked by the butt/boob/bounce avatars is that they tend to be memes; someone selling them at a buck or two a pop, and it's just a recolor and/or some extra features tacked on. It's cute when one person does it, but it quickly gets old when you have a giant army of identical looking technicolor butts. If you don't like them, the best thing you can do is to not use one yourself. :P
I partially agree about the ass / titties icons.
Although, I would like to point out, the wall of text arguments that were here when I posted this comment (assuming they get hidden for whatever reason) made me lol really hard, because, honestly, I sincerely doubt anyone would let someone talk that long or that much in disagreement over a statement like the one this journal made in voice or in person. <<
FA Is not a strictly porn site for god's sake.