Non-Montroversy Topic: Why Doomsayers Are Total Assknuckles
14 years ago
So, yeah, the Rapture didn't happen today.
That's nothing special; everybody knew it wouldn't. But what really amazed me was that even the news seemed to join in with the rest of us in expressing eye-rolling contempt for this latest doomsday prediction. They came damn close to actually pointing at the people who believed in it and going, "HA ha!"
Yeah, there's a savage glee in laughing at people who are just so gosh-darn sure the world's gonna end. But personally, I think they deserve a little more than just being mocked.
Tonight on the news they talked about a guy who had spent his entire life savings, something like $100,000, to put up signs all over the New York city subway, warning people of the impending Rapture. He was out on the street distributing leaflets at 6:00pm, the time of the mathematically-proven-by-Bible-code End Of Everything. Of course, not a damn thing happened, except that it rained a little.
The reporter said that the man looked sad and disappointed, then started reading his Bible. Then people around him started to jeer him.
At this point, I said something like, "Good! It's what he deserves!"
My aunt said something like, "I don't know... It's kinda like kicking a sick puppydog."
I disagree with that, but I can completely respect her point. This poor dumb bastard has just lost everything. And if he's like a lot of other doomsdayers, this is likely to just send him further into self-delusion, instead of making him wake up. He's a harmless, broken man. I can completely understand the urge to have compassion for him.
But I don't.
Why? Because of how the reporter described his reaction when the prophesied end didn't come: "sad and disappointed." This man was sad and disappointed that the end of the world didn't happen. If this man's reaction had been a joyful relief that God had shown mercy and the human race would be spared, I'd totally let him off the hook. But no: sad and disappointed. The news mentioned another doomsday-that-didn't-happen in 1844, which was called The Great Disappointment.
I keep repeating that word because I want to drill it into you guys exactly what these people are disappointed about. In the case of the current non-Rapture, it was foretold that earthquakes would rip the planet into pieces, and God would scoop up all the True Faithful directly into Heaven. Which means that all the unbelievers would have to stay behind and die in unimaginable fiery agony and terror. That's what these people are disappointed didn't happen. If any of you are atheists, or just not Christians, then these people are sad that you are not burning to death in molten lava right this instant.
Of course, I know that most of these people don't actively want to see everyone else die. But still, they want the freakin' end of the world to happen. They are EAGER for it. Why? Personally, I think it's sheer laziness. Despite the fact that the quality of human life has been steadily rising for almost our entire existence, there are still people who believe that, right now, things have never been worse. They want the world to end because they look at the problems we have now and think, "It's too much to ever fix. It's better to just sweep it all away and start over." Well isn't that nice. Maybe some of us would like a crack at fixing things before you give up on them, hm?
I'll bet a lot of these people buy into the unbelievably backwards idea that the world is being destroyed by too much technology and that humanity would be so much purer and happier if we all returned to nature. Um, are you blind? Because from my perspective, it looks like modern science, medicine and technology are the only things keeping most of us alive past our twenties.
But beyond just laziness and foolish dreams, there's something else that's inescapably present in someone with the desire for the world to soon end. Arrogance.
I will guarantee you something right now: Not a single person who believes in a coming Rapture believes that they will be one of the ones left behind.
Nope; every single self-righteous one of them believes that they are one of God's chosen. They're the ones who'll get whooshed up to paradise while everyone else perishes for their sins. Is anyone else disgusted by that? How small of a soul do you have to have to think that you're completely blameless for humanity's problems? That it is literally everyone else's fault? And so you deserve bliss while the common mud-people all deserve God's wrath? 'Childish' isn't the word for it, because I don't think hardly any children past toddler age are this ignorantly selfish.
There are people who knowingly scam these doomsdayers. They get people to send them money for Rapture insurance, or to take care of their pets afterwards, or to pass on messages to the families of Raptured folks. These people are raking in money, knowing the whole time that they will never, ever have to fulfill any of the promises they make. And GOD BLESS THEM!!! In complete honesty, I support these people 100%. There's a difference between con artists who swindle people with no way of knowing they're about to be scammed, and those who swindle people who have EVERY reason to believe they're about to be scammed. If a guy shows up at your door selling magic pixie dust that will make your car fly, and you pay him, you have absolutely no right to complain later when you realize how much of a chump you are.
If I'd known anyone who believed in today's not-quite-Rapture, I would have loved to straight-up fuck with them. I would have asked them if I could have all their material possessions. If they said no, I'd say, "Why not? You won't need them come tomorrow." And if they showed any hesitation, I'd say, "So you don't really have faith that the world will end tomorrow after all?" I'd watch them squirm and contradict themselves like crazy. And if I did manage to get them to hand over some of their stuff, you can bet your ass there's no way in hell I'd gave any of it back if they came knocking on the door later tonight.
THEM: "God heard our prayers and postponed the End Times! Give me my Blu-Ray player back!"
ME: "Go fuck yourself! Learn to face the consequences of your beliefs!"
That's the core of this. I think that we all must always be ready to face the consequences of our beliefs. I don't mean stuff you could never possibly imagine, like walking outside and being hit by a falling chunk of space shuttle, but risks you can't help but know about beforehand. If you choose to gamble, you should be prepared to lose money. If you choose to have lots of unprotected sex, you should be prepared for STDs. If you choose to believe in a specific date when the world's gonna end, you should be prepared to look like a jackass the day afterwards.
When we make any kind of choice in our lives with easily foreseen consequences, then we had damn well better accept it with dignity if those choices backfire on us. We ought to have the personal honor in us to say "Oh well" in these instances, instead of reacting with denial, dishonesty or a temper-tantrum. If not, then we deserve to be mocked. We deserve the "HA ha!"
You can choose to feel sorry for all the True Believers who don't know why they're not in Heaven right now. You can be compassionate towards them. But they probably won't learn anything that way. Humiliation can be a powerful motivator.
Me? I'd say to them, "Hey, remember that time you thought me and all the other infidels were going to fall into cracks in the Earth and die screaming, while you, Mr. Perfect, sailed up into the sky to experience eternal pleasure? Boy, are you one stupid shithead!" And then I'd grin my ass off.
BTW, if any of you know anyone who believes in that 2012 Mayan calender horseshit, tell me about them. I wanna have some fun with them on December 22nd. ;)
That's nothing special; everybody knew it wouldn't. But what really amazed me was that even the news seemed to join in with the rest of us in expressing eye-rolling contempt for this latest doomsday prediction. They came damn close to actually pointing at the people who believed in it and going, "HA ha!"
Yeah, there's a savage glee in laughing at people who are just so gosh-darn sure the world's gonna end. But personally, I think they deserve a little more than just being mocked.
Tonight on the news they talked about a guy who had spent his entire life savings, something like $100,000, to put up signs all over the New York city subway, warning people of the impending Rapture. He was out on the street distributing leaflets at 6:00pm, the time of the mathematically-proven-by-Bible-code End Of Everything. Of course, not a damn thing happened, except that it rained a little.
The reporter said that the man looked sad and disappointed, then started reading his Bible. Then people around him started to jeer him.
At this point, I said something like, "Good! It's what he deserves!"
My aunt said something like, "I don't know... It's kinda like kicking a sick puppydog."
I disagree with that, but I can completely respect her point. This poor dumb bastard has just lost everything. And if he's like a lot of other doomsdayers, this is likely to just send him further into self-delusion, instead of making him wake up. He's a harmless, broken man. I can completely understand the urge to have compassion for him.
But I don't.
Why? Because of how the reporter described his reaction when the prophesied end didn't come: "sad and disappointed." This man was sad and disappointed that the end of the world didn't happen. If this man's reaction had been a joyful relief that God had shown mercy and the human race would be spared, I'd totally let him off the hook. But no: sad and disappointed. The news mentioned another doomsday-that-didn't-happen in 1844, which was called The Great Disappointment.
I keep repeating that word because I want to drill it into you guys exactly what these people are disappointed about. In the case of the current non-Rapture, it was foretold that earthquakes would rip the planet into pieces, and God would scoop up all the True Faithful directly into Heaven. Which means that all the unbelievers would have to stay behind and die in unimaginable fiery agony and terror. That's what these people are disappointed didn't happen. If any of you are atheists, or just not Christians, then these people are sad that you are not burning to death in molten lava right this instant.
Of course, I know that most of these people don't actively want to see everyone else die. But still, they want the freakin' end of the world to happen. They are EAGER for it. Why? Personally, I think it's sheer laziness. Despite the fact that the quality of human life has been steadily rising for almost our entire existence, there are still people who believe that, right now, things have never been worse. They want the world to end because they look at the problems we have now and think, "It's too much to ever fix. It's better to just sweep it all away and start over." Well isn't that nice. Maybe some of us would like a crack at fixing things before you give up on them, hm?
I'll bet a lot of these people buy into the unbelievably backwards idea that the world is being destroyed by too much technology and that humanity would be so much purer and happier if we all returned to nature. Um, are you blind? Because from my perspective, it looks like modern science, medicine and technology are the only things keeping most of us alive past our twenties.
But beyond just laziness and foolish dreams, there's something else that's inescapably present in someone with the desire for the world to soon end. Arrogance.
I will guarantee you something right now: Not a single person who believes in a coming Rapture believes that they will be one of the ones left behind.
Nope; every single self-righteous one of them believes that they are one of God's chosen. They're the ones who'll get whooshed up to paradise while everyone else perishes for their sins. Is anyone else disgusted by that? How small of a soul do you have to have to think that you're completely blameless for humanity's problems? That it is literally everyone else's fault? And so you deserve bliss while the common mud-people all deserve God's wrath? 'Childish' isn't the word for it, because I don't think hardly any children past toddler age are this ignorantly selfish.
There are people who knowingly scam these doomsdayers. They get people to send them money for Rapture insurance, or to take care of their pets afterwards, or to pass on messages to the families of Raptured folks. These people are raking in money, knowing the whole time that they will never, ever have to fulfill any of the promises they make. And GOD BLESS THEM!!! In complete honesty, I support these people 100%. There's a difference between con artists who swindle people with no way of knowing they're about to be scammed, and those who swindle people who have EVERY reason to believe they're about to be scammed. If a guy shows up at your door selling magic pixie dust that will make your car fly, and you pay him, you have absolutely no right to complain later when you realize how much of a chump you are.
If I'd known anyone who believed in today's not-quite-Rapture, I would have loved to straight-up fuck with them. I would have asked them if I could have all their material possessions. If they said no, I'd say, "Why not? You won't need them come tomorrow." And if they showed any hesitation, I'd say, "So you don't really have faith that the world will end tomorrow after all?" I'd watch them squirm and contradict themselves like crazy. And if I did manage to get them to hand over some of their stuff, you can bet your ass there's no way in hell I'd gave any of it back if they came knocking on the door later tonight.
THEM: "God heard our prayers and postponed the End Times! Give me my Blu-Ray player back!"
ME: "Go fuck yourself! Learn to face the consequences of your beliefs!"
That's the core of this. I think that we all must always be ready to face the consequences of our beliefs. I don't mean stuff you could never possibly imagine, like walking outside and being hit by a falling chunk of space shuttle, but risks you can't help but know about beforehand. If you choose to gamble, you should be prepared to lose money. If you choose to have lots of unprotected sex, you should be prepared for STDs. If you choose to believe in a specific date when the world's gonna end, you should be prepared to look like a jackass the day afterwards.
When we make any kind of choice in our lives with easily foreseen consequences, then we had damn well better accept it with dignity if those choices backfire on us. We ought to have the personal honor in us to say "Oh well" in these instances, instead of reacting with denial, dishonesty or a temper-tantrum. If not, then we deserve to be mocked. We deserve the "HA ha!"
You can choose to feel sorry for all the True Believers who don't know why they're not in Heaven right now. You can be compassionate towards them. But they probably won't learn anything that way. Humiliation can be a powerful motivator.
Me? I'd say to them, "Hey, remember that time you thought me and all the other infidels were going to fall into cracks in the Earth and die screaming, while you, Mr. Perfect, sailed up into the sky to experience eternal pleasure? Boy, are you one stupid shithead!" And then I'd grin my ass off.
BTW, if any of you know anyone who believes in that 2012 Mayan calender horseshit, tell me about them. I wanna have some fun with them on December 22nd. ;)
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Though today early this morning I keept the tele on just watching and onething that made me lol big was the CDC putting up a notice on their website about Zombie Awareness and how to prepare..
I woke my brother up just to watch.. Now if someone was indeed to take in all this seriouly XD I wouldn't go around dressed as a zombie. I mean look what happened to Bill Murray
He plans to rebulid the world.... but thats just my theory~
Nobody qualified?
If everyone stayed, because nobody is ever really 'pure'?
That someone believing that they would 'ascend' automatically disqualified them because, like you said, that would show arrogance?
I can't really describe what I'm trying to say <_>
Also, even if no one qualified, there still woulda been earthquakes.
THIS SO HARD. <3
Also, 'momologue'? I didn't say a word about mothers!
anyway nice speech but it obiously wasnt supposed.
Did you also accidentally 98 megabytes of RAR files?
*SYNTAX ERROR'D!*
Sometimes I feel like the only one alive who thinks we should only feel good about ourselves if we've DONE SOMETHING worthy of feeling good about...
BTW, if you do, see if you can find the special edition with the deleted scenes left in.
- George CarlinOn the other hand, I kinda wanted the rapture to happen. Feel free to take away all the religious people who spent their lives brownnosing to get into god's private club. leave those of us who know how to think to rule the world, and not let it be dragged to a grinding halt by religious taboos. not to mention no more religious suicide bombers, 700 club, and 90% of all politicians will vanish along with them. Let the rapture come!
Assknuckle...yep, that's a keeper*writes down on a clipboard*
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Or something like that.
You can read the whole thing here at the Brick Testament: http://www.thebricktestament.com/re.....ion/index.html
The Grimbly Snooker Blaghnumny ones, however...
Maybe Jesus Christ was just somebody's Mary-Sue fanfiction character... I mean, Matthew devoted eighteen verses to detailing Jesus's purportedly royal geneology. Thinking back on a lot of the Jesus stories, it DOES seem eerily like some ancient dude's idea of a too-perfect, too-powerful author self-insert...
Sweet Holy Balls, I think you've nailed it.
They hate their life and want to die.
Think about it from their perspective. They've had it drilled into them over and over and over and over and over that everyone outside of their small group is dangerously misguided at best and intentionally destructive at worst. And yet, people other than themselves control the world, which means that they are a small group among a tide they can not hope to resist. You can only take so much of that before you break. A pal falls over everything that is "other" and you just want to go away and hide.
The zealot is sad and disappointed because he wanted his god to come down, wave his magic wand, and make the aching in his heart go away. He wanted to be rushed off to a magical land where all the horrible stuff he's been told about his whole life is gone and he can go anywhere and do anything without fear. It's an escapist fantasy.
As for the bit about other people suffering, you're assuming that they have thought that far. You're dealing with people who believe what they are told. They have not developed their critical thinking skills. They can't even read something from another religion or political viewpoint because they don't have critical thinking skills and will simply believe it. So they refuse to see new viewpoints as protection. Asking them to think from the viewpoint of someone else is not likely to happen.
My experience as a zealot was a lot like Mr. Toomey from The Langoliers. Check out minute 9:00.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LJG.....eature=related
I can sympathize with that. I can empathize with that. But when they want me to die along with them, then all that sympathy and empathy dries up, and out comes my middle fingers.
>The zealot is sad and disappointed because he wanted his god to come down, wave his magic wand, and make the aching in his heart go away. He wanted to be rushed off to a magical land where all the horrible stuff he's been told about his whole life is gone and he can go anywhere and do anything without fear. It's an escapist fantasy.
I understand that completely. I have felt that same type of thing more times than I can count. Yet I cannot excuse them for giving into that feeling, because I don't excuse it in myself. There are people in the world who truly are persecuted. I feel a lot less bad for people whose persecution is wholly a delusion.
BTW, this isn't me saying, "These assholes should just man up and cure themselves!" But I'm not saying, "That's okay, you just go right on behaving this way!" either. It's somewhere in the middle. My attitude towards people like this is basically; I see them down there in the dirt, curled up in a ball. I will extend my hand to them to help them up. I will wait patiently, but not all day. If they can't be bothered to make the smallest effort to reach up and take it, I walk away and leave them to their choice.
>Asking them to think from the viewpoint of someone else is not likely to happen.
True, but not impossible. I am not going to treat these people as if they are handicapped. Their handicap is largely of their own making. Think about the difference between someone in a wheelchair because their legs were chopped off, and someone in a wheelchair because they've neglected their diet and are too fat to walk without gasping. I can't really expect the fat guy to run a marathon, but I can at least tell him, "Get your ass up and take a few steps on your own, for chrissakes. You're an embarrassment to yourself. Not because you're fat, but because you've given up."
I'll admit, I flat-out feel disgust towards people who are in a bad situation and simply will not do anything to get themselves out of it. I'm not talking about people who legitimately can't for whatever reason; just people who won't. I won't even feel disgust if they accept their misery with some dignity. But if someone's in a pit, and all they're doing is complaining and whining for help, and will not even try to climb out on their own, then there's a part of me that wants to kick more dirt down on them. I don't know if that makes me a coldhearted bastard, but it's how I honestly feel.
>My experience as a zealot was a lot like Mr. Toomey from The Langoliers. Check out minute 9:00.
That does put it in perspective. On the other hand, Mr. Toomey isn't at all reluctant to kill off the other passengers to sate his delusions. Misery doesn't excuse hurting others.
Eerie... that's very much like metaphors Christians use themselves--when I was Christian, I heard it said that people living in sin without God were in terrible situations, and God had his hand out to help them, but you had to reach up and grab it. They saw themselves preaching as letting others know which direction the hand was in.
One time when I was close to the end of my faith, I went to a magic show in a church (no joke!). Each trick was pure stage magic and unapologetic about it, but each one had a Christian lesson in it. Like when he had a trick tube that would change the order of colored balls inside, he named each one as "your priorities: God, family, and yourself. (puts the balls in so God is on the bottom, "yourself" on top) But even if you try to put your own priorities first (trick-pump), God always comes out on top (order of balls is reversed, with "God" on top).
Anyway, the trick I was thinking of is where he just holds out a dollar bill to the kids in the front row and says "Who wants this?" I was expecting the lesson to be against greed or something, so I didn't go for it. One kid ran up and grabbed it, and the guy said that was the correct thing to do: that God won't just help you, you have to go forth and get his help.
For me, it was probably one of the middle nails in the coffin for my faith, because here was a religion that promised miracles and delivered cheap card tricks, not even trying to disguise them.
> Think about the difference between someone in a wheelchair because their legs were chopped off, and someone in a wheelchair because they've neglected their diet and are too fat to walk without gasping. I can't really expect the fat guy to run a marathon, but I can at least tell him, "Get your ass up and take a few steps on your own, for chrissakes. You're an embarrassment to yourself. Not because you're fat, but because you've given up."
My Aunt Debbie could be in a wheelchair for the fat reason, but she isn't--she has to walk with a walker, but she insists on doing so, so that she can get up and walk around on her own without other people's help, so that she doesn't become a complete slave to her weight. And it's not really "her fault" in so much as eating a lot, because I'm pretty well convinced it's genetic, what with the majority of female relatives on my Mom's side being extremely overweight.
Interestingly, I was first exposed to the idea of 'God helps those who help themselves' through a book of Aesop's fables I was given as a kid. I guess the Christians can't exactly lay claim to the idea.
I hope I don't come off as a bastard here. I do my best to be a compassionate person. If someone's fucked with me, I'll forgive them in a heartbeat if they give me reason to. If someone asks for help, I'll readily give it. I guess it's a case of me hating in others what I hate most about myself. I try so hard not to give in to the worst parts of myself, and sometimes I fail, and because I try so hard it infuriates me when I see people who don't. Like Zephon says, the "It's too haaaaard!" people. That attitude makes my blood boil.
>One kid ran up and grabbed it, and the guy said that was the correct thing to do: that God won't just help you, you have to go forth and get his help.
I kinda admire the sheer counterintuitiveness of that...
>For me, it was probably one of the middle nails in the coffin for my faith, because here was a religion that promised miracles and delivered cheap card tricks, not even trying to disguise them.
Count yourself lucky. Or wise. It seems like a lot of people are content to believe what they're told, instead of what they can observe for themselves.
>My Aunt Debbie could be in a wheelchair for the fat reason, but she isn't--she has to walk with a walker, but she insists on doing so, so that she can get up and walk around on her own without other people's help, so that she doesn't become a complete slave to her weight. And it's not really "her fault" in so much as eating a lot, because I'm pretty well convinced it's genetic, what with the majority of female relatives on my Mom's side being extremely overweight.
Then she's a good example of someone who I'd actually admire. I like the attitude of "Fuckit if it's more difficult this way; dignity is worth it."
*shrug* No more than your usual "magnificent bastard"...ness... (yes I know the proper term is "bastardy" but I was going for the GLaDOS joke.)
> I kinda admire the sheer counterintuitiveness of that...
Fridge Horror for me was that he was effectively training the next generation of capitalists, first by equating God with money, then by saying "If someone offers something, you have to snatch it before anybody else can, keep it all for yourself."
> Count yourself lucky. Or wise. It seems like a lot of people are content to believe what they're told, instead of what they can observe for themselves.
That was me for quite a long while... then I grew up. :3
Bastardry, you mean? It sounds better with the 'r'.
>Fridge Horror for me was that he was effectively training the next generation of capitalists, first by equating God with money, then by saying "If someone offers something, you have to snatch it before anybody else can, keep it all for yourself."
I dunno about that last part. The lesson I would've learned if I'd been there is to learn to recognize when opportunity's knocking and reach for the doorknob quickly.
>That was me for quite a long while... then I grew up. :3
Well said. :)
Bastardry: unpleasant, often aggressive behavior. (slang from Australia and New Zealand)
Bastardy: the state or condition of being a bastard; illegitimacy (dating from late Middle English)
> I dunno about that last part. The lesson I would've learned if I'd been there is to learn to recognize when opportunity's knocking and reach for the doorknob quickly.
And admittedly, that *was* one of many lessons that ended up pushing that idea into my head.
Bastardy: the state or condition of being a bastard; illegitimacy (dating from late Middle English)
I did not realize there was a difference! Thank you, Thesaurusfoxie! :D
>And admittedly, that *was* one of many lessons that ended up pushing that idea into my head.
Also, I keep thinking about that other trick, the one about priorities. I woulda done everything I could to figure out the trick and put myself first in a way he couldn't reverse. ;)
You're welcome! And admittedly, I didn't even know "bastardry" was a real word until I looked up both on dictionary.com. Relevant XKCD: http://xkcd.com/903/
> Also, I keep thinking about that other trick, the one about priorities. I woulda done everything I could to figure out the trick and put myself first in a way he couldn't reverse. ;)
If I'd had the chance, I would've done it like this: "Well, what about priests and ministers and other religious leaders? They always say they put their own needs last ("Self" ball on the bottom), and even their friends, family, and community ("Family" ball in middle) take a backseat to God ("God" ball on top), but I wonder if that's really the case? *shoonkshoonk* Oh look... look what's really on top for them..."
Oh, you wonderfully devious little fox you. <hugs for brain-awesomeness>
I decided to dig little into the story and all I knew was some precher took 3 holy numbers 5, 10, and 17 and the apparent date that jesus died and multiplied that by 2 and got a date off that..
Ok ........ That doesn't mean the world is going to end. Seriouly that doesn't ..
And seeing this is no more than an ordinary man I think that with out any vision or something more credible really is just wrong to spend 6 million dollars (acording to ABC) to broadcast world wide doomsday. and even this guy said in 1994 it was going to end and was wrong. Why are people still following this man?
I am not a devout christian, Im not even christian.. I am not even atheist. I belive in a higher power but I don't need some book to tell me what is what..
My idea is that if the world was to end and this was a precher of all things then there will be events as such stated in the bible that must happen first before the end of days begin.
Could we be in the end days? In my opinion, yes it is posible and yes are we closer than before? Yes. Time will always move forward and even we as a people will always go forward. We will age, we will die. And so to the earth with it.
As in the bible, The end will come and noone will know it till it is over with there will be no sign, not even a rapture. We will all be here stuck here and will be lead into a battle over good and evil. There will be signs. The earth will quake and tremble. There will be brother killing brothers, sons beding there mothers. There will be absolute chaos.
In this mayhem will be two people in particular that will lead asray the followers of god to the side of evil. The false prophet and the anti-christ..
Now Think hard right now.. This figures will be there on the battlefeild when the end comes.. Many say hittler had to of been the anti-christ.. Trust me he wasn't, nor was osama bin laden, The end is still in the making..
But seeing as it is, this man is nothing more than a false prophet... Don't be lead astray..
The only thing when it comes to the end of days that I can see anything at all being perhaps a begining is 12,21,2012...
This is the only day that more than one person has perdicted and being never before in contact with another or the others idealogy.. But all found the same date. Mayans, Nostradamus, Issaic, and I think Galieo too.. Very odd. Though none said that it was the end. Only where there calenders stoped recording..
We can only continue to live.. Stop now and the world may as well die with us..
>Ok ........ That doesn't mean the world is going to end. Seriouly that doesn't ..
Absolutely. Supposedly, he calculated that May 21st was exactly 7000 years since The Great Flood. Um, how does that prove another one's coming? And didn't God send a rainbow to show he'd never pull that shit again?
>Why are people still following this man?
Because believing feels good to them, and they've been trained to believe that doubting is a sin.
>As in the bible, The end will come and noone will know it till it is over with there will be no sign, not even a rapture. We will all be here stuck here and will be lead into a battle over good and evil. There will be signs. The earth will quake and tremble. There will be brother killing brothers, sons beding there mothers. There will be absolute chaos.
All the more reason why this can't be the end times. We got earthquakes, yeah, but to the best of my knowledge, humanity is becoming less violent and murderous towards itself every decade.
>In this mayhem will be two people in particular that will lead asray the followers of god to the side of evil. The false prophet and the anti-christ..
You mean Obama? ;)
>This is the only day that more than one person has perdicted and being never before in contact with another or the others idealogy.. But all found the same date. Mayans, Nostradamus, Issaic, and I think Galieo too.. Very odd. Though none said that it was the end. Only where there calenders stoped recording..
My reply to that is simple: The world doesn't end just because we reach December 31st on our calendars, does it? No, we just get a new calendar.
just have a ticket next time and let her ride for free... while my group of friends and i were laughing.
This was just too funny. XD
A rare trait in humanity. Now he must stop being so gullible ...
People. when a guy wrongly predicts the end of the world multiple times... STOP BELEAVEING HIM.
I honestly dont get why people are looking forward to this so call ed end of the world...
Yes Looking forward to the deaths of billions of people and countless other life forms.
Yeah... soooooo desirable. The only way this world will end is by
A Black Hole!
B SUPERNOVA
C HUMAN STUPIDITY THROUGH TECHNOLOGY
D Human Insanity
E Human Denial
F The Giant Spaghetti monster
G Captain Planet gone Rogue
H HUMANS PERIOD
I Death Star
J Jar Jar Binks
K Alex Reynard becoming dull and boring in his fetishes.
I Meteor or other spacial anomaly
Ok... these are just more likely.
but i stand by A,B,C,D,E, H, and I!
We dont need the heavenly beard to kill us XD
I have a feeling that most of his flock had never heard of his earlier failed prediction. He probably either kept it completely secret from them, or only gave them his side of the story.
>C HUMAN STUPIDITY THROUGH TECHNOLOGY
Seems unlikely. We managed to get through the sixties without nuking ourselves. And capitalisms helping to slowly achieve world peace: "We can't nuke those people! A bunch of our corporations trade with a bunch of theirs!"
>E Human Denial
This seems sadly possible. We do have a had habit of ignoring problems until they reach crisis level.
>G Captain Planet gone Rogue
WE MUST KILL HIM NOW, TO BE SURE!
>H HUMANS PERIOD
Period? Like, menstrual blood flooding the Earth?
>K Alex Reynard becoming dull and boring in his fetishes.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
See Computers and viruses. Purposely using technology to produce cheaper quality materials to cut costs.
Look at the oil disaster of last year. This kinda thing can cause massive scale disasters.
Humans Period... We are creators and distructors... were better and blowing shit up..... too good..
and as for K.... Yeah I know. Highly unlikely
You can sum up my beliefs in six words: No gods or kings, only man!
Built Robots to aid man kind.. helped cause more devastation with this technology over the span of
hundreds of years
Only in the beginning and end, really. Somewhere in the middle he starting doing everything that he was strictly against- taxing, hanging, and basically becoming a mad dictator. When he realized that he was becoming the very thing he hated, he chose to kill himself through your mind control, and you obeyed.
But take a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vj8-_jhFAA
Jesus, that's one of those things that make me not wanna be alive anymore.
I can't even convey how sad that made me. I almost couldn't sleep last night because I couldn't stop thinking about it. I think the worst part is that the old fraud who made the Rapture prediction is the one ultimately responsible for this, and I know he won't face any kind of legal punishment for all the suffering he's caused. The fact that there won't be any justice for him just makes my blood boil. In all honesty, I would look him in the eyes, tell him, "You deserve to feel the helpless terror you've caused others to feel," and drop him down a staircase.
>The cure is education. People need to learn to think for themselves.
YES. Frankly, I'd love to see an age of consent law for religion. If we keep kids from driving, voting and fucking before they're ready, then why not? I don't know if there's anything more dangerous than teaching a kid 'it's okay to believe whatever feels good, even if it means ignoring evidence!'. Not to mention threatening them with hellfire.
In general, I really, really dislike people who don't have the guts to make a firm choice; who'll take what they want from either side to get all the benefits of both without having to be loyal to either. To me, it seems cowardly.
In fact the Vatican does employ actual scientists, because they think the more we find out about the world around us the better we can praise god.
One needs to distinguish between religious trolls who don't understand the religion they follow yet make outrageous statements, people who only use religion as a front, and truly religious people. The first two can usually be recognized easily as they promote the idea that variation X of their religion is really bad.
True, but they are opposites if you look at them as ways of believing. One rejects faith in favor of evidence, the other rejects evidence in favor of faith.
>In fact the Vatican does employ actual scientists, because they think the more we find out about the world around us the better we can praise god.
Too bad these scientists don't seem to understand how condoms work. ;D
>One needs to distinguish between religious trolls who don't understand the religion they follow yet make outrageous statements, people who only use religion as a front, and truly religious people. The first two can usually be recognized easily as they promote the idea that variation X of their religion is really bad.
I dunno if it's useful to ever say that anyone is 'truly' religios or not, because there's no way to tell. I've heard moderate Christians say that the Westboro Baptists aren't really true Christians. And the WBC says the same thing about moderate Christians. Same with moderate and fundamentalist Muslims. Every side claims that all the other sides aren't TRUE [fill-in-the-blank]. And from what I've seen, they're all right. All of them pick and choose from their holy books what they're going to believe in. So if this equally applies to everyone, because no two people practice their religion in exactly the same way, it's useless for any of them to use it as an insult against one another.
Well there are some religions which have the faith that all religions are correct, but different ways of looking at the world.
So long as that minority includes the Pope, we got a problem. :/
>Well there are some religions which have the faith that all religions are correct, but different ways of looking at the world.
While I do prefer that to the Jihad types, it still seems kinda spineless to me. Trying to please everyone usually ends up not pleasing anyone.
For a second there I thought that said "Good pants" and became confused.
Religion can only exist in the gaps in our understanding of the world. As those gaps become narrower and narrower, fanatics try to force a wedge into them by denying that scientific explanations are valid, simply because they contradict the religious explanation. Like the assholes who try to force "intelligent design" (read: religious Creationism) into science classrooms.
It's actually mostly about meaning. The world doesn't need a meaning or purpose by itself. Some people have problems living a meaningless life in a meaningless world. Religion steps in as a way to impose meaning onto the world. It's more a service than a means to gain knowledge.
Creationism is one of the ways where religion is used as a means to achieve a different goal. People are more likely to do you a favour if you give them a reason to, no matter what the reason is. "God told us to do so" is even a powerful reason for many.
This can also be used for good. If you look at commandments of religions you will typically find 2 sets of rules.
The first one is there for sustainability. A religion needs a way to be kept alive.
The second set is composed of general rules like not killing others and not stealing, which kinda make sense. Those are particularly aimed at people who have no intrinsic moral and therefore need to have those rules imposed on them. The banking crisis has shown that there's a lot of those people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XTwWqzKeXc
The only apocalyptic scenario with even an approximate date attached to it that I actually agree with is the one predicting that the sun will expand out to about the present orbit of Mars, vaporizing everything out to Jupiter; supposedly that will happen in five billion years or so, I'm pretty sure none of us will be around to see it.
Ahem. But as far as this "end of the world" bullshit, if these people ACTUALLY believed in the bible, they'd understand that it says very plainly that no man can predict the End. Even ANGELS don't know that shit, so how cocky can this guy be? He thinks he knows something ONLY God is supposed to know because of some supposedly esoteric "one year really means a thousand" code in the bible? Yeah right. THe 2012 stuff actually cracks me up though, because people try to be so scientific about it. Even though each uh, "theory" (and I use the word theory loosely) is amazingly easy to discredit. Not to mention the only "proof" is coming from a guy who believes he got his information from space aliens.
That sentence is perfect. I wanna frame it. :)
>But as far as this "end of the world" bullshit, if these people ACTUALLY believed in the bible, they'd understand that it says very plainly that no man can predict the End. Even ANGELS don't know that shit, so how cocky can this guy be?
Nice. But then again, you presume that the people who worship the bible have actually read the damn bible.
Oh, also, I didn't try to convince anybody of it, nor did I burn my bridges and behave as if I didn't have to worry about 1998. Because even back then, I wasn't STUPID.
Consider: If I know for a fact that the world will end sometime in 1997, but as of December 30, 1997, it has not ended, then I know it will end on December 31, contradicting the idea that I can't know the day. So it can't end December 31, 1997. Knowing this, if December 29 rolls around with the world not ended, then I know it must be December 30, since it can't be the 31st and there's only two other days. Again a contradiction! So it can't be December 30 either. In general, if the world is known to end a given year, but the exact date cannot be known, and the last n days of the year have already been ruled out, the n+1th day back from the end of the year can also be ruled out, because on the n+2nd day back from the end of the year, you would know for sure, and you can't. Thus, by strong induction, none of the days of the year can contain the end of the world.
Conclusion: If you subscribe to the Christian idea that none may know the hour nor the day, then none can know the year, either. Nobody can, in fact, predict ANY interval during which the world will end with a definite first and last possible date, because you can work your way backwards from the last possible date and rule out every single one.
In all seriousness, I hope someone shoves his decrepit, scheming old ass down a flight of stairs.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_i0VMo_pn5.....n-simpsons.jpg
DAWN OF THE FIRST DAY
72 HOURS REMAIN
Well maybe you shouldn't have done that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tBfv08grb0
You only get three days before the moon hits the land of Termina (an appropriate name, Spanish for 'it ends'). You can set the clock back to the first day as many times as you want, but everybody you helped or saved will be in trouble again. The clock is always ticking, the moon is always watching, and Link has to painfully TF to progress.
For one, it doesn't let them off the hook for believing in something they had absolutely no good reason to believe in. For two, if their belief makes them hurt others, then all my sympathy for them is gone.
Someone else here linked to a news story about a woman who was so sacred of the end of the world that she slashed her two little daughters' throats and wrists, then her own. Luckily, she fucked it up and someone discovered them in time to get them to a hospital. On the one hand, I can't even imagine the terror she must have felt, to think this was her only way out. On the other hand, I can't imagine the terror she CAUSED to her own children. I don't know if I'd be able to restrain myself from beating her if we were in the same room...