wow ok i will have to see it then... :)

I was planning on seeing it anyway, but now even more. Dreamworks definitely is where it's at, yet Disney gets all the awards somehow. The first KFP was brilliant, yet WALL-E took best picture.

That's because WALL-E actually was better.

I think you're the first person I heard actually say that. You're entitled, of course.

Well this is the furry fandom, we're often gonna be drawn to the talking animals. But I know plenty of people who share my opinion. xP

I didn't know what to think of Wall-E when I saw it. It kind of left me cold. It was a good story, with memorable characters, but it didn't really connect with me. The list of movies that has done that is relatively short. I really enjoyed UP, and that one was definitely better than Wall-E in my opinion. Part of my inherent dislike of Disney is the constant PC bullshit. There is ALWAYS some kind of social agenda being pushed, some kind of jab to be endured. The height of that whole steaming pile would be difficult to pinpoint exactly, but Pocahontas is certainly near the top of that list…

All of that has been relatively absent in the Pixar films, and I appreciate it. The Dreamworks films have been relatively PC free as well, and it just leaves the story and artwork to be enjoyed. There will be those who look at KFP II and say that they come out pretty much against modern weapons, but its a bit of a stretch. The real message of Kung Fu Panda II is far more satisfying: That despite the cards we are handed, we are whatever we decide we want to be, so long as we stand ready to fight for it.

I thought WALL-E had more heart then most movie's I've seen, I attribute that to the unique form of non-dialogue between the main characters. A bit heavy-handed on the message what with the pollution and all, but that felt more like a plot device when I watched it.

At the end of the day, a message is a message, no matter what the message may be. It all boils down to whether or not you identify with or grasp it. I've tended to prefer Pixar's work over Dreamwork's overall. I attribute that to the more original and imaginative feel each Pixar movie had (well until Disney's started to enforce a sequel-to-everything policy). I can't see how liking one more means disliking the other however, as I thought How to Train Your Dragon was the finest film that studio's produced and it's among my absolute favorites. I try not to judge based on the studio, though bias will always exist sadly.

And yeah, Pocahontas was pretty heavy with it's message, annoyingly so really. I would also say Over the Hedge which was from Dreamworks was also pretty preachy, not as bad at least. But every studio has it's films that want to get an inherent message out. I'm just glad we have these rivalries in the entertainment business that keep pushing one side to be better, a boon to we the consumer. :P

Over the Hedge WAS just a little preachy, but it was FUN preachy! :) And sadly, I've never even SEEN How To Train Your Dragon…:(

The problem I have with many of the Pixar films is that they have been so… SAFE. UP was a departure for them- apparently there were some kids who were scared shitless by the bad guy and his dogs. Even with Doug thrown in to lighten the mood, the dogs were just a little too doglike for some viewers!

I am super glad we have all these competing studios making movies, and that they are concentrating on making superior products. The 90s were pretty fucking DARK DAYS when it came to the quality of animation. Nothing like being on top too long to make your work turn to absolute SHIT. Right, Microsoft?

Over the Hedge WAS just a little preachy, but it was FUN preachy!
Very fun, which is exactly why I watched it numerous times. :3

And sadly, I've never even SEEN How To Train Your Dragon…:(
I highly recommend you do. It was funny, smart, endearing, visually and audibly beautiful, emotionally powerful and brilliantly executed. It deserved every bit of acclaim and then some.

The problem I have with many of the Pixar films is that they have been so… SAFE. UP was a departure for them- apparently there were some kids who were scared shitless by the bad guy and his dogs. Even with Doug thrown in to lighten the mood, the dogs were just a little too doglike for some viewers!
UP even had the saddest beginning to any animated movie, ever. =( But yeah, I can understand that sentiment. However I thought Finding Nemo had some pretty dark and deep moments, not to mention top notch character development. Dory is the only character in fiction I've come across that actually displays realistic symptoms of amnesia. So while they have movies that seem to be aimed mainly at kids (Cars - I still like it though...), they do have those films that definitely have something for all. Toy Story 3's ending made me cry in the theater, something I've never done.

I am super glad we have all these competing studios making movies, and that they are concentrating on making superior products. The 90s were pretty fucking DARK DAYS when it came to the quality of animation. Nothing like being on top too long to make your work turn to absolute SHIT. Right, Microsoft?
Haha! Yes, monopolies will always reduce the quality of a product, because there is no alternative so why should they care? :P That said, I did like a few of Disney's 90's films, Lion King and Aladdin (Robin Williams voice acting alone was worth the price of admission) among the top two. But they wore out the formula, it became the same basic plot every movie it seemed. It wasn't until they released Lilo & Stitch that I stopped being irate with Disney... And then I promptly became irate yet again when they made Lilo & Stitch: The Series and associated films. XD Ack

But I digress. I've quite enjoyed this discussion, even if it has veered a bit off topic - to get back on it for a moment; I'm about to head out and watch Kung Fu Panda 2 right now. :P Also, Perhaps instead of cluttering up your comments, we can talk on messenger sometime? If you care to that is. ^^

It's not out here yet. Mind you, I haven't seen the first.

I liked the first one. Hope to see the second soon, from what I hear it's about on par overall so I look forward to it.

After that It's Hangover II. Gosh I love the summer. :D

Took my mate to see it in 3D just now. We laughed. She cried. It was a very emotional sequel to a beautifully brilliant series.

I saw the 3D and for an FYI it was the type that went from the screen inward (away from you) versus the type that jumps out at you. I will also say that the villain's character was beautifully crafted and even sympathetic at some points. The one near spoiler I will reveal: there is nothing after the credits but what comes just before them lets you know that there will be a sequel, even if it is a TV special.

I'm pretty sure there will be a sequel. If the Shrek series is any indication. So far, the Kung Fu Panda movies seem to have far better thought out stories.