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Is Zoophilia wrong?
14 years ago
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Hey guys! Now an interesting series of events happened today that made me think about one of FA's rules. This rule is the permanent banning of Zoophilia (Or Bestiality). Now I know the first thoughts to come to your mind is eww wrong thats gross and disgusting and no one should do it but have you ever looked up the sciences behind why people do it?
First off let me clarify that I do NOT participate in Zoophilia, I just find that this total blatant ban, and banning people who find it a fetish is a discriminatory act and is against our rights as humans. Right there I bring up human rights, but what of the rights of the animals hmm? This could be explained quite simply. Zoophilia is allowed in my mind as long as the animal is not being abused or exploited. Now again many of you will probably wonder "How can you tell if what you do to an animal is abusive or exploiting?" and you are very correct in thinking this. Animals cannot speak in languages we can understand EXCEPT Body language!
Now saying an animal can consent through body language may seem childish but think of it like this. When you do something to a dog that it does not like, does it not move away? If you persist will it not eventually bite you? Well in my life time I have learned that yes, if you do something an animal does not like its probably gonna hurt you. However when you do something an animal enjoys, the animal will stay with and often push into you (Say your hand, or a cat when its rubbing against your leg). Also, getting directly into the matter, a male dog will often INITIATE sexual action with another human being by "Humping" them. What is to say that why they do this you being naked and them eventually having intercourse with you is wrong? They did it by there own will, no need for you to push them along.
Many cases have been brought about in the terms of Zoophilia, and many of the laws still work off of the words of the bible, or the most basic argument, Zoophilia is statuary rape. For those of you who do not know, statuary rape is having sex with someone who is ignorant or not mature enough to understand what they are doing, thus you are taking advantage of there ignorance. What is said animal is several years old? The animal has a clear instinctual drive to mate and the human in question would be relieving the animal of this stress. I would find that much more human than if you were too say, cut off there balls or remove there uterus?
This brings upon another argument. Are Zoophiles being more human towards animals by allowing to mate with them without cutting there balls of or removing there uterus? I am pretty sure they do not consent to that at all. So what would be wrong with that? The animal goes through life without being castrated or spaded and the Zoophiles get the pleasure they so yearn? I would see that to be fair in my own opinion.
My final argument that I would like to bring up is the fact that Zoophilia, is an ACTUAL SEXUAL ORIENTATION! Thats right! Zoophilia is on the same grounds as Homosexuality, Asexuality, Pansexuality and all the other sexualities that there are. How can you discriminate against people that are wired to be sexually attracted to animals? Some people are actually ONLY attracted to animals and sometimes find that human sexual relations are appalling, much like people who re asexual.
There re many more arguments, Going for and against the act of Zoophilia but to be honest, the side of the Zoophiles is clearly taking the lead in validated arguments. Follow the link to be brought to a wiki explaining this further. I understand it is a Wiki but it raises many arguments that I did not discuss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia
Again, I do not participate in Zoophilia, I just find that it is wrong for people to Fantasize about it when all these arguments are put up against it. But those are my thought, tell me yours in the comments below.
First off let me clarify that I do NOT participate in Zoophilia, I just find that this total blatant ban, and banning people who find it a fetish is a discriminatory act and is against our rights as humans. Right there I bring up human rights, but what of the rights of the animals hmm? This could be explained quite simply. Zoophilia is allowed in my mind as long as the animal is not being abused or exploited. Now again many of you will probably wonder "How can you tell if what you do to an animal is abusive or exploiting?" and you are very correct in thinking this. Animals cannot speak in languages we can understand EXCEPT Body language!
Now saying an animal can consent through body language may seem childish but think of it like this. When you do something to a dog that it does not like, does it not move away? If you persist will it not eventually bite you? Well in my life time I have learned that yes, if you do something an animal does not like its probably gonna hurt you. However when you do something an animal enjoys, the animal will stay with and often push into you (Say your hand, or a cat when its rubbing against your leg). Also, getting directly into the matter, a male dog will often INITIATE sexual action with another human being by "Humping" them. What is to say that why they do this you being naked and them eventually having intercourse with you is wrong? They did it by there own will, no need for you to push them along.
Many cases have been brought about in the terms of Zoophilia, and many of the laws still work off of the words of the bible, or the most basic argument, Zoophilia is statuary rape. For those of you who do not know, statuary rape is having sex with someone who is ignorant or not mature enough to understand what they are doing, thus you are taking advantage of there ignorance. What is said animal is several years old? The animal has a clear instinctual drive to mate and the human in question would be relieving the animal of this stress. I would find that much more human than if you were too say, cut off there balls or remove there uterus?
This brings upon another argument. Are Zoophiles being more human towards animals by allowing to mate with them without cutting there balls of or removing there uterus? I am pretty sure they do not consent to that at all. So what would be wrong with that? The animal goes through life without being castrated or spaded and the Zoophiles get the pleasure they so yearn? I would see that to be fair in my own opinion.
My final argument that I would like to bring up is the fact that Zoophilia, is an ACTUAL SEXUAL ORIENTATION! Thats right! Zoophilia is on the same grounds as Homosexuality, Asexuality, Pansexuality and all the other sexualities that there are. How can you discriminate against people that are wired to be sexually attracted to animals? Some people are actually ONLY attracted to animals and sometimes find that human sexual relations are appalling, much like people who re asexual.
There re many more arguments, Going for and against the act of Zoophilia but to be honest, the side of the Zoophiles is clearly taking the lead in validated arguments. Follow the link to be brought to a wiki explaining this further. I understand it is a Wiki but it raises many arguments that I did not discuss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia
Again, I do not participate in Zoophilia, I just find that it is wrong for people to Fantasize about it when all these arguments are put up against it. But those are my thought, tell me yours in the comments below.
Ultimately, is it wrong? Right and wrong are subjective. By current civilization's standards, it's wrong...but to an individual it may not be.
Personally, I can't say I have an opinion. I have never, nor do I plan to, participate in Zoophilia, but at the same time I can't say I'd look down on someone who did, or treat them any differently.
note:this guy in the video is a very intellectual, intelligent friend of mine, do not flame him
Its the very first line guys! Then in the terminology it states
"There are three terms that are most commonly used in regards to the subject: bestiality, zoosexuality and zoophilia. The terms are relatively interchangeable. Zoosadism, sodomy and zooerasty are others closely related to the subject but are less homologous to the former or are uncommon usage. "Bestiosexuality" was discussed briefly by Allen (1979), but never became established."
Also it has 129 references, and no I did not check them all, but the ones I read just say the same thing! I know Wiki's aren't always trustworthy, but there are some that are actually well written and written by professionals. It also has an average of 4.05 on it's page rating.
Do people not trust me when I say I have studied the topic? Do I have to really start bringing in quotes and explain how to judge Wikipedia? I will NEVER write a post like this unless I have studied the topic well enough to trust that I have a good understanding of the topic in general. I will never say I am an expert, but many people know that when I sit down and research things I can clearly back up my points. Ask some of the scientists at ROM >.> I've won arguments with them about the mummification process the Egyptians used and was able to validly uphold my points. My parents watched me do it.
I really don't mean to sound like a prick, I honestly don't and I understand some of your distrust seeing as I link you to a Wiki, but I said "The following link will bring you too a Wiki which will explain this further. Now I understand it is a Wiki (insinuating that my not be accurate) but it brings up many arguments that I do not discuss." So right from the get go I was telling you that it's a wiki, I understand its a Wiki, but I know and trust it will give you accurate information.
But if one of you can give me a couple links stating that Zoophilia and Bestiality are not one in the same, I will gladly say I am wrong. Please not that my post is explaining Zoophilia as a whole, and posts stating that Bestiality are a branch of Zoophilia will not be accepted seeing as that makes bestiality a part of Zoophilia.
zo·o·phil·i·a (z -f l -) also zo·oph·i·lism (z -f -l z m) n. 1. Affection or affinity for animals. 2. Erotic attraction to or sexual contact with animals. 3. Biology A tendency to feed or grow on animal tissue.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=zoophilia
bes·ti·al·i·ty (b s ch -l -t , b s -) n. pl. bes·ti·al·i·ties 1. The quality or condition of being an animal or like an animal. 2. Conduct or an action marked by depravity or brutality. 3. Sexual relations between a human and an animal.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=bestiality
Also. I am not saying they aren't similar or related! But there's a key difference between the two words! They are not interchangeable!
Zoophilia is the sexuality/feeling, while bestiality is the act!
You wouldn't interchange heterosexuality with the word intercourse would you?
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Zoophilia
So now that I think about this, what is your arguing point? By saying that Beastiality is not Zoophilia because of one key difference and that being the brutality that they are totally different? Please remember that I am representing ALL zoophiliacs with this journal.
Side note, one of the types of Zoophilia is Sadistic Beastal. This is what you are talking about when you say beastiality.
Theres being right, and then theres being an asshole.
Maybe you should learn the line between the two.
o·o·phil·i·a (z -f l -) also zo·oph·i·lism (z -f -l z m) n. 1. Affection or affinity for animals. 2. Erotic attraction to or sexual contact with animals. 3. Biology A tendency to feed or grow on animal tissue.
Would that not be considered sex? Sexual contact under the spectrum could mean ANYTHING sexual, sex being included. So the only difference between the two definitions is the Brutality, so in the spectrum of Zoophilia, there is such little differences (Not that Brutality is a small matter in its own) That they are the same.
Also wikipedia isnt always a reliable source for research.
ALWAYS crosscheck the info found on wikipedia. I see no other sources in your journal... i am assuming you did not crosscheck the information.
I myself...I'll admit to being a zoophile, sure.
I can't even really watch human on human porn(besides some lesbian porn) without being disgusted... I'd much rather watch a cute girl with a big dog(which makes me so happy that 7chan brought /be/ back)
Would I do it myself? Not at all. Do i fantasize? Yeah. Watch bestiality porn? Yep.
Bestiality and zoophilia are seperate. Similar sure, but not equal and the same.
And no. They are entirely not the same thing! It does not matter if you researched this up and down. You say you aren't a zoophile, so you can only view this from the point of someone else. Had you talked to a zoophile in your research? Again, since you've linked only wikipedia, and say you looked at everything you could find, I can only assume that perhaps you did not.
Ps, saying 'stfu' in your arguments against Alex makes you sound defensive and only makes the situation worse.
Not to be mean or a bitch, but yeah.