What is "Popufur"?
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I mean, other than a silly word for a popular furry? XD
What I am asking is what makes someone a popufur to you? How do you personally judge if someone is popular or not? Is it page views? Number of watchers? A certain amount of artistic output? How many commissions someone gets? The amount of gifts they receive?
Or maybe its just a certain way they present themselves or an attitude they have?
I just wanna see what people think and maybe get some hearty discussion going! :P
What I am asking is what makes someone a popufur to you? How do you personally judge if someone is popular or not? Is it page views? Number of watchers? A certain amount of artistic output? How many commissions someone gets? The amount of gifts they receive?
Or maybe its just a certain way they present themselves or an attitude they have?
I just wanna see what people think and maybe get some hearty discussion going! :P
I'm just kidding about the artist one. I have a guideline that doesn't work for furry artists, so there's no point in trying to explain it. xD
And interesting I never thought along the lines of your first point ^^
perhaps popufur is also when random people you never met recognize you at cons? XD
I see popufur as a more negative thing, like those kids who get a lot of watchers/attention (whether or not they draw art) and then act like a nub because they have a bunch of white knights and the epopularity gets to their head.
i just thought it was a stupid jokey-type term for "popular" furrys, similar to the other terms like "furiend" and other shit like that.
*scrubs skin away*
No matter how hard you scrub.... you'll never be clean! NEVER BE CLEAN!
that was best thing in world
I totally worded my first post wrong XD
I aim at becoming one myself, yet I foil myself by talking really too little with people :X
yes....
I don't even like it when it happens to people who make millions in the process, much less a big fish in the small furry fandom pond.
story of my fucking life g-bar
Basically when people know you before you even met them... and it's not because one of your friends told them about you and is introducing them to you. In my circles... there are artist who are this way, like Morca and such. There are just "social-ites" as I call them... like ShadowKeeper. And then there are people who ya... just get around a lot and commision... like Hida =)
You clearly must be wrong, since so many people back me up.
*facedesk*
Current Definition: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Popufur
It's one of those terms that's not 100% nailed down. Some people mean it as a compliment to say someone is a popular person while others use it in a derogatory way. So if someone says you're popufur you don't always know if they mean you're well-known in the community or if they see you as arrogant.
The people most bitter about this word usually are the folks that buy about $6,000 in commissions to load up their gallery and get their character plastered everywhere.
That's my definition at least. To me, there's a difference between being popular in the furry community, and being a "popufur".
Your not a popufur Cas, your a bat! stay as a bat plz! =:03
It is like Michelangelo is a 'popular' Renaissance artist, but Caravaggio was not so much. We know about them now with equal measure but during their time they had different social statuses.
I do think that attitude and how people interact with their fan base is important. Artists who are butts to their fans dont normally stay aloft long. And most people I have met who are considered 'popfurs' or names are actually very sweet and kind; some are ass holes, but they aren't around long.
I can't speak to the character popularity really, just the artist one since that is the side I pay attention too XD
At least that's my own opinion.
If they draw lots of porn of the latest fad characters (MLP, Renamon, Krystal, any video game/comic book/cartoon character that people fantasize about) this increases their popularity. It also helps if they're not against drawing anyone doing anything as long as the mood is there or the price is right. If they're into online RPing, or inviting people to their homes in RL for random naughtiness, that also seems to boost people into popufur status... though these things can backfire.
You can also usually tell a popufur from a regular one by the insane amounts of money people throw at them for commissions, even though said commissions probably can't be shown to anyone outside of the fandom without horrible results... and possibly can't be shown to people WITHIN the fandom without the same reaction.
The people who cling to popufurs seem to be the drama sort, and will rage infinitely if you so much as say a single bad thing about the popular one in question. Like if you post something negative on their page, you get 50+ nasty notes and shouts. In the reverse, if said fur is suspected of doing something wrong to another fur, they become reviled completely, and everyone suddenly hates them... though they'll still watch them and save their art.
Another aspect of being a popufur is thievery. People online who have no respect for your style, coloring, content, frequency of posting, you personally as a human being, no consideration for your situation in life, your purpose in being an artist... These people will curse and rant and rave and complain about you every time they see anything vaguely related to you art-wise.... all the while downloading anything you draw, no matter how abstract of half done that art is. They will also make an almost violent effort to spread your art around... You know, because it's so horrible no one should have to pay for it. ..By the way do you happen to have *this* comic, or *that* image this person drew? I just want to... uh... see how horrible it really is. In HD if possible.
Usually, the fur in question is someone who has what I call the "true furry persona". They like to fursuit in public, sex is one of the top three things in their mind at any time, they draw TONS of porn (drawing tons of rabid watchers), and they tend to be atheists or gay or some combination of things considered "different" or "wrong" by the majority of non furs. Anything that makes them stand out adds to their furry mystique, thus making them interesting on a personal level to other furries. The weirder the better.
I don't really think that being a popufur is the same as being popular though. There are plenty of people in the fandom who are popular who wouldn't fall into this category. To me, I think it's kind of like "being at the top of the current wave of fanboy-ism" more than anything else.
Popufur is mainly a negative insult, to me. To those people who get hordes of drama mongering white knights because their art, even if it's not exceptional. They begin to become conceited assholes who feel the need to stop replying to their watchers, and who act like they're different and hardcore, or just try to act better than others simply because they gain epopularity for drawing copious amounts of dicks.
most popufurs reach a level.. when they get so many drooling baboons type fans.. that they refuse to improve or fix their art, and become stagnant..
most of the times.. the quality go downhill changing from nice art.. to commercial art to leech as much money as possible.
besides, 99% of the popufur status is reached when you draw bad fanart (either pony, sonic..etc..) or almost always porn.
^^^^^THIS^^^^^
but SRSLY
Someone who 'everyone' talks about or knows of. Or, yeah, when lots of random people want to be friends with, and/or snoop around and gossip about.
The negative associations are because sometimes their fame is in disregard for artistic ability or positive personality traits, especially when there are lots of technically good artists and fun/nice/social people who are relatively neglected. I don't want to start naming names even though examples would make this easier, don't want to attract any trolls :p
Oh, yes, trolls and white knights cluster around them as well... especially when drama pops up, like sexual allegations or ethical violations. Pff, in fact, 'drama' will appear around them regardless of how dramatic the story is.
but that's just my random brainfarts.
Agreed. People on this site who commission a lot, or get a lot of free art can be popufurs, too...
A certain red, tattood wolf and a pokemon sona come to mind with this.
Fur's who can't draw but instead commission, commission artist to make art that would drive the masses to them as the majority of the pieces are of adult nature. In essence, the commissioner creates content that other will find attractive and of interest, causing their selves to become popufurs.
Now, there is two types of popufur. There is the regular popufur, and then there is the Elite popufurs. The Elite are the artist that are extremely popular and revered, and have a very small close circle of friends, most times with other elites of people that no one else knows, and there for are considered elites in their own right. In some levels I my self am one of the elites in furry fandom with some certain circles and areas (such as with a furry convention) I have found that when a furry is elevated to the status of "elite", they tend to retract from others and become quite not because they are full of their selves, but because they wish to have some peace and quiet and not be swamped by the more extreme of the fans and followers. Some of the elite become very recluse because of their withdrawal from interacting with the masses because of fear of the crazy people.
This is all from long term observations and personal experiences from over the years. It's a pattern that I have seen with many artist and even a few commissioners. But that's the best I can do to describe and define it for you. ^v^
I'm not popular, but I'm not social. By your definition I would be considered elite, but I think that term is presumptuous. I guess one could call me a hermit.
Then again, there are people I think is popufurs, with others doesn't know the name of x3
it looks like your past Popufur and are now at "Art God"
"all hail the art goddess"
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Terrie Smith
you are popfur if resonable amount of fandom ether knows you as artist or your character
first 4 are so known i would be suprized somone never seen their art or dont knows them as artists (dragoneer mostly for his fanart and becouse his FA owner:P)
Or for people who gain popularity by spending mass amounts of money on commissions lol
[cough][cough] Lupine Assassin [cough]
as whore word suggests , person will do anything for art , personaly got i think 100+ art and i dont see myself artwhore , i just get nice art from time to time or give gift for friend , since im in fandom in many years its not big amount in my opinion
I mean....its just a silly fandom... and being famous for drawing girls with 7.5 dicks each, or having the fursuit that gets fucked at every con isnt really a good reason to be famous.
usually it's an artist, but not necessarily
I wouldn't use the term myself for an artists that becomes well known within the fandom. Even for artists creating pieces for the sole purpose of increasing page views (because, really, I see no harm in self-promotion and see it as rather hypocritical of those who drag on someone for it), it's all a matter of random chance whether that person or artists gains popularity within the fandom. Not their fault is they're just creating great art and they get recognized.
if you want to use the negative aspect.. popufur is used for someone who refuses to accept any criticism , claiming hes better than anyone..
also as tons of fanboys, yessmen and other people who only does the "shoe-lick" to try to garter the popufur's attention regardless if he's wrong or right.
In any discussion, the popufur will either insult you, claim you're wrong (even if they are) and if you will probably get blocked, ignored or banned.
popufurs also have the tendency of doing illegal/badtaste/atrocious/annoying actions, with little backslash or with their yessmen accepting it like it was nothing. (bad actions like raping a girl, abusing a dog, consume drugs, steal shit, harass some other people..etc..)
I don't even know if people are complimenting me anymore when they call me "popufur". There are so many definitions that I don't even know why people call me "popufur". I don't make suits. My art isn't all that great. I can be a real jerk sometimes (people are hurt by what I say sometimes) or I seem cold and shy. I don't hang out with that many people. I don't have a "clique". But I do have art of my character with others and I commission good artist because I know good art when I see it and I am particular. Soooo.... people just care about the suit. That's how I get total strangers watch me. And that term "ruining the magic" further proves that people dont care about the person inside when you show pictures of yourself or with your fursuit head off. So it hurts my feelings when people say that when I post such pictures.
So yeah it's all about looks when you first see someone's gallery weather it be artwork or fursuit pictures. Only those that care are the ones that take the time to get to know you. The more people know you, you become popufur weather or not people know you for positive reasons or negative reasons.
But I stick to my first views on Popufurs. They are big artists and fursuit makers. Those who are well know for being a jerk or commissioning people are just popular for doing just that.
-"Popular" from the musical Wicked
-"Popular" by Eric Saade. Used as Sweden's entry into Eurovision Song Contest 2011 (This one does not exist, but would be more bad ass provided it is not made with sexual lyrics)
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A semi-derogatory term used to describe furry artists, commissioners, or characters that have become commonly known, for better or worse.
Popufur, in my eyes, is a derogatory term for the centre person in the mafia-like friendship groups some people seem to have. They usually contain what Growly said, too. Either intentionally or not, they usually have an army of "cultists" which will attack you if you do something they deem wrong (the cultists, not necessarily the popufur itself). But it all comes down to the root cause; furries are scary ;).
Whether it's by accident (the fans declare you as it)
Or on purpose (the fursona/character is in many pieces of artwork [especially adult pieces], a fursuit made by a famous maker, the attitude/persona offline and it doesn't really matter whether it's good or bad,but usually it's bad/involves some kind of drama)
One example of what I'd call Popufur is JD Puppy
His suit is fairly old-school, and his performance whilst in it is admirable and fun to watch, but if there's a camera nearby it's very likely he will step in front of people just to get his pic taken ;3
So he gets his face pretty much in every photo, and because he attends a lot of cons... That's a lot of pictures taken ;D
Another one would be CooperTom
He's one of the few fursuiters who have the balls to talk in fursuit and has a really upbeat personality behind the mask so-to-speak ^^
So yeah, what I'm trying to say is you need at least 2 elements of what I said earlier to have the benchmark for becoming "Popufur" ;3
1. They start looking down their noses at others because they can draw furry porn and you can't.
2. They start bad-mouthing other artists who are rising stars because they are just secretly afraid will steal some of their precious e-limelight.
3. They start viewing their fanbase as a competitive threat for the same reasons. "Hi, I drew this for you." SHUN!
4. They start plugging other artists in their journals on a regular basis -- even when doing so becomes stale. Promoting other artists is okay once in a while, but using your influence to turn your journals into a plug for other's commissions, livestreams, and general work on a constant basis cheapens your own work. "Check out so-and-so's work" after the 10th time in a month is no longer offering endorsements but full-on advertisement campaigns! And your fanbase KNOWS this and respects you less.
5. They leave "thanks for +fav", "thanx for +watch" for all 500 of the users who +faved their last upload with all the passion of an assembly line worker operating a cannery. They are not honestly thanking people for appreciating their work -- they are using the opportunity to advertise themselves on the users' FA page in hopes others will see their awesome icon and clicky clicky!
6. They don't stand anywhere on fandom issues like pedos and bestialists, because that would decrease their reach.
7. They rest on the laurels of their popularity and start whoring themselves out to drawing fetish work, alienating half their viewers with each new drawing. Super fatso, castration, cub, cock vore, amputee, etc., etc., and soon they realize everyone's left the building except for desperate Lupine Assassin clones with little money still willing to pay top dollar to have their impossible and disturbing sexual fantasies realized on paper. Then they complain about the reality they created for themselves and dismissing the fandom as a bunch of sex-crazed jerks seeing nothing but the fetish parasites huddled around them in eager anticipation of what depraved thing they'll draw next.
8. They begin to go to furry conventions, not to hang out, displaying their talents, or anything, but for increasing their popularity.
9. They make 3 or 4 journals every goddamn day, and turn their journals into StumbleUpon. They don't have anything useful to say. They just want to post inane YouTube videos or make inane journals about how much they like dick over and over to keep them at the forefront of your mind.
10. Their popularity is primarily owed to drawing rule 34. No originality and no fanbase that actually likes THEIR work -- only crazed fetishists getting their dopamine fix at seeing their favorite cartoon characters poorly drawn and standing around explosively cumming for no good reason.
11. They reinforce bad fandom work ethic and dispassion with bad art. Art should ask questions. Art should cleverly criticize dysfunctional aspects of society. Popufurs pander to wishful thinking of procrastinators and lazies combining elements in their art's content that are inherently contradictory. In other words, drawing a roomful of physically fit bodybuilding furries leading sedentary lives lazing around playing video games like their toejam-encrusted not-bathing-for-months viewers in this fandom, unfortunately, ISN'T intentional criticism on the artist's part.
12. Selling illegal porn portfolios of copywrited mainstream characters, and then whining when their commercial work gets redistributed on furry imageboards.
13. They use their fanbase as a weapon -- not for important stuff like organizing protest rallies or fighting art theft -- but abusing their influence siccing their fanbase against people they have personal vendettas against.
14. Hypocritically going off on tirades against furry porn and erotic fursuiters in general, yet DOING THE EXACT SAME THING with VIDEO EVIDENCE of them exploiting the sex appeal of their fursuits in public.
I'm sure there are many other examples of popfurlarity to append this list with.
I see people doing that who aren't popular at all!
I suppose the best metric of whether someone qualifies for the title though would basically be a matter of whether people in "the scene" know who they are without having met them or necessarily being familiar with their work.
Can I bask in your UV rays? :V
Someone who's so well known in the fandom, that when you say their name, at least 2 other people nearby know how they are, or recognize their description.
Also, artist-wise, anybody who has so many fans and watchers that they can open 10 commission slots and fill them all up, with payment in hand, within a day or two.
Being a 'popufur' can go right in hand with being an elitist, but it doesn't always do so. See, for example,
I've seen most people make a mixture of it how much attention you get online and how much profit you can make on your art.
*shrugs*
As I see it why be a big fish in a small online pond?
But popufur means popular after all, so who is popular? I guess definition, at least in my own head, is that popular is person(or thing that is widely known by other people.
But does it mean that this person is much liked? Not necessarily. Popularity is a bit snowball effect. When someone is starting to get popular, more and more people start to know him/her and making him/her even more popular. But it doesn't necessarily make this person more liked. Popularity can also change people afterward, and not always good way.
More important than being popular is being liked, Imo :)
For example, there are a number of artists who have a long list of people they've scammed out of money, and who continue accepting payment from more people, knowing that if they're ever called on it, their friends and fans will rush to their defense talking about how nice they are and how they don't deserve to be attacked.