I'm not sure if you can learn astral projection unless it's already in you. Kinda like being psychic. You either are or you aren't. Sounds like you may have a knack for it already. I'm a touch pyschic, can sense ghosts and spirits and can see and manipulate auras. I know. Very bad for a Christian. I'm going to hell.
About the books for astral projection. you need to find a new age store. I know they will have some books about it. We have a great one in Colorado Springs. Wish I could take you there.
If you can't find a book, try what you did before. Find a nice quiet, safe place and meditate. Picture your spirit leaving your body. Project it outside the walls of your room. The more you do this, you might actually succeed in projection your spirit again.

I believe in Astral Projection, psychic power and auras more than I believe in the Christian Hell...or God for that matter. And if there were a God even remotely similar to the Christian version, I doubt He'd sentence someone He supposedly loves to eternal damnation and pain for being spiritually inclined, so don't worry!

Still, worst case scenario--all the furs are getting together to organize HellCon!

Let's ready our flame-retardent fox suits! Is a fire-proof fox even possible?

...okay, I'm going as the Firefox logo. I sense many copyfoxes, though.

look in to the tantric and pagen arts

I tried tantric stuff...but just felt silly. And Pagan stuff bothers me for the same reason Christianity does...it's filled with arbitrary and pointless ritualism that's supposed to make you closer to "god". And I just feel silly.

LOL theres MANY paths and the best ones do not have all the ritualistic bells and wistles 9 times out of 10 all the chants and alter toys are purely for the novis to train them selfs in how to focues its not hard to sit and piture your altur in your mind and from there you can weave your way to any point in the cosmose!

I also find such types of things to be interesting as well. ^^ IF you find out anything, be it technique or goood book, please let me know?

Granted when I have more time, I can tell you of MY relaxation technique that is... "different" in my mind. But for the moment, I should get ready for work. If you want, let me know & I'll type it up for ya ok?

I'm always interested to know relaxation and focusing techniques. If you don't mind sharing, I'd be grateful to know yours.

*hugs*

You can always try your local new age shop but I'm sure they'll also try to sell you books on the subject. You never know though, someone there might now how or know of someone who can help.

modernwiccan.com?

Watch Charmed reruns season 1 - 3 for the past six years.. That'll cause anyones essence to leave their bodies.

LOL I'd hate to have to do that every time I wanted to "travel"...

I've experienced it many times myself, all involuntary. I haven't figured out how to control it per se' but it's a deep sub conscious activity of the brain when you reach near REM level of sleep. Mastering mind of matter type meditations as well as learning to think deeper or from other portions of the consciousness will increase the "out of body" experience.

Maybe you're just good at it. You should try to do it on purpose!

Yea i'll see if I can put myself in one of them furry conventions to start, see what they're like. Make for good practice.

It sounds to me like you want to get involved more into remote viewing, rather then astral projection. You can try to learn this "art" if you feel like you need it, but I think it would be better to ground yourself in science and objective reasoning. What you are really doing is archiving an altered state of consciousness. Many tribal and shamanic cultures believe these altered states of consciousness are out of body experiences visiting the spirit world. These states of consciousness are archived a couple of different ways which include: rhythmic trance inducing music, sensory deprivation, and consumption of ethnobotanicals (sacred plants), such as DMT containing plants (i.e. ayahuasca brews), Iboga plants (consumed by the bwiti cult in Africa), sacred cacti and Psilocybin mushrooms (magic mushrooms).

Trance educing music and sensory deprivation work by increasing your brains natural n,n-DMT levels, which is what many call the "spirit molecule". DMT is a neurotransmitter which is associated with the dream state. It affects the brain similar to LSD (they are both tryptamiens), but it is capable of causing true hallucinations and visionary states unlike anything else. Ayahuasca brews work similar to trance music and sensory deprivation, only instead of making your own DMT inside your own body naturally, you drink the tea of special plants that come from the Amazon. Psilocybin mushrooms and scared cacti, on the other hand, are less overpowering then DMT, but act on the brain the same way, because it is also a tryptamine similar to serotonin.

Of these options, Iboga and n,n-DMT are probably your only surefire methods to achieving the level of consciousness you desire. If you choose to take Iboga or n,n-DMT, use then with the utmost respect. They are not toy drugs or something to take just for fun. On the contrary, they will dissolve your consciousness into the ether, allowing yourself to feel the unity unity we all share with the cosmos. This affect is achived by these chemeicals ability to suppress the part of the brain that gives us a sense of self. This part of the brain is also suppressed when religious people, such as catholic nuns and budist monks enter deep states of prayer and meditation.

A must reed book for you is DMT: The Spirit Molecule. You can find it on Amazon. It talks about the experiments and experiences people had with DMT under controlled conditions and how it affects the brain, and thus the mind.

Also, listen to this you tube video by Joe Rogan: http://youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8
Listen to his "third eye" comment.

That should get you started. Good luck.

Thanks. Very practical advice.

LOL I was totally expecting his statements to come from you. Great minds...

Interesting. I know that most of these ideas have scientific explanations, such as the paralysis that abductees discribe, and the tricks played by an oxygen deprived brain that convinces people they were "going into the light" and that sort of thing. Altered states of consciousness and meditation may be all it is and Astral Projections may be fantasies created by those states, but even so--it's still intriguing.

I'll have to check out the book you refer to. Thanks for the insightful info!

Thanks, dude. I'm glad I could help. Yeah, the science of the altered state is an interesting one. I won't say publicly if I have ever ventured into the altered state before or by what means if any, but I can say that for the well prepared mind, it is an awesome experience and can help you answer questions that have been gnawing at the back of your mind for years.

I am more then well aware that these states truly are "all in our head", but far to many people seem to have obtained a deeper understanding of God and the Universe, especially after using DMT.

I would also suggest that you do some research on http://www.Erowid.org for more info. That should give you a good platform for exploring those things that bring on the altered state.

Again, I wish you the best of luck on your quest.

Actually, the whole near death thing has a lot to do with massive DMT secretions of the brain. It's a truly fascinating neurotransmitter. To bad oral doses require MAOI. That is, unless you use the synthetic version.

The other books I would recommend to you are PiKAL and THiKAL. They are worth your investigation, especially if you want to become a do-it-yourself-er.

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When I was younger, I would have sworn I was making myself levitate while in bed. I lost the feel of the mattress under me, just kind of floating there... then at some point I'd hear a noise or something and I'd fall back down, with the kickback of hitting my bed to boot. I don't really know how I did it... Maybe I just sort of let my mind wander? Dunno.

It may have been a lucid dream. It may have been astral projection...or something like it. I occasionally can realize that I am in a dream state and even control it a little. It's like being in The Matrix...I can fly or do weird things, but sometimes, even though I know I'm dreaming my mind won't let me do things that are not supposed to be possible, or it'll let me do it a bit and then I forget what I was doing and the dream takes back over. Dreaming is an interesting phenomenon...

I believe in astral projection, and have tried it often, but I don't do it any more. Mostly because I'm not around anyone who will let me talk about it seriously.

I'm not sure about it. It may be nothing more than lucid dreaming...but I like to think there may be much more to it. Despite my frequent arguments against "religion", I'm not entirely non-spiritual. I believe there are deeper levels to life and the universe than we know scientifically. I just get annoyed when too many ritualistic superstitions and dogmatic practices are sold as "Truth" when they are really nothing more than opinion and belief.

But I believe in things. And one of the things I believe is that there are states of existence that we know very little about.

the simple method: put a glass of water in the kitchen.

walk to where you are sleeping.

lie down as if you were sleeping.

then slowly raise up out of bed and walk taking an artist's eye view of everything you pass and go back to the glass of water.
get up a few times out from bed walking to the water.

this is to imprint the whole route clearly in your mind.

then take about a mouthful and a half of salt and left it dissolve in your mouth before you go to bed.

during the night you'll get helluv' thirsty.

then try and remember not to get scared when your hand passed through the glass when you try and pick it up.

instead simply without emotion reliese you are now 'out'. now some will say go back and lie down into your body, just to complete the exercise. after about a week you can get 'out' without using salt. then yopu will notice that there is this threadlike cord coming out of your navel. don't touch it, it stretches infinately, to go someplace just think about and you are there. anyone that has para-sight or is psychic will see you as a ghost otherwise no one can see you.

now the hard/harsh part is not going directly to wash out that mouthful and a half of salt in your mouth, ...i could never do it again, but being in a place you don't want to be, needing to know something or waiting for someone and having to wait made me be able to get out once. then though i was out i paniced after a couple of really cool minutes - i have all these new senses in my hands and could for instance hear colors and 'see' music other things too. i could feel the wind and float as well as look through things. i saw the disease that was killing my Dad in his chest, i knew what he was thinking because i could 'see-hear' the pictures in his mind. and other things.

later when he got home, i told him what he was doing, and what he was thinking while he was in a town 60 miles north of where i was having to tape out all the friggin' commercials from "Wheel of Fortune" i hated that game show with a passion, but had to do it so my Mom And Dad could watch it when they got home from the Real Estate office, then Mom would make dinner and i was forbidden to eat a thing even though i had gotten home nearly six hours before! i still hate Pat Sajak!!!
When i came back into my body in after the panic, my body was in cathasis - ie i could not move, the couch i was on was one of those 'dump you in the floor' futons. i was falling out and was able to put out my hand to keep from landing full length on the floor crushing my nose into the hard no-foam padding carpet over the hardwood floor a foot and a half down, at the last second. get ready for the fact that you can't move!
i was brought back just in time before the commercial is why i came back so soon.
anyway when i told my Dad everything except the disease part he said "How did you know that!?" i said "right!" he gave me a look that acknowledged what i must have just done.

Sounds like an interesting method. I'll have to try that, or something like it. You sound like you may have a better knack for it than I do. My mind wanders and random thoughts and images come from everywhere, no matter how hard I try to stay focused.

But anyway--thanks for the pracitcal advice. Certainly can't hurt to try it. ^0^

try and tune yourself to a white noise station in that radio inside your head then simply (after some trys) turn off the constant chatter going on in there,

To do the time travel once you can easily go to astral is more difficult. you will have to give up being impure that means you have to remain celebate, ie NO SEX you can't even draw or look at a porn picture for at least a month before you try, ...i can't do this it is just too much to give up!
if i can't look at even an old werepuppy picture once a week i'll go insane!

Every once in a while, I'll be in this state where my brain is about half-awake, but my body is completely asleep. As such, I am completely paralyzed and unable to see, but I realize what's going on; I usually panic, but sometimes I just focus until I'm able to wake my body up. After reading online a bit, I figured that this was the precurser to an out-of-body experience, so one night, when I found myself in one of those states, I tried to will myself upwards... And floated out of my body. It was horrifying. I immediately forced my way back in :P I don't think I'll be trying it again, it was a bit too scary x3

Yeah, I've heard of this sort of thing too. When you reach a certain level of sleep your body paralyzes itself to keep you from yourself, but you aren't supposed to be awake enough to realize it. It's usually associated with Abductee fantasies, where people believe thay've been paralyzed by an outside agent who then abducts them. It's interesting that you recognized it for what it actually was.

The floating out of your body thing IS scary, but you really aren't in any danger. You should try it again! Of course, I can't talk, the one time I managed to produce that experience, I panicked. LOL

Every once in a while, I'll be in this state where my brain is about half-awake, but my body is completely asleep. As such, I am completely paralyzed and unable to see, but I realize what's going on; I usually panic, but sometimes I just focus until I'm able to wake my body up. After reading online a bit, I figured that this was the precurser to an out-of-body experience, so one night, when I found myself in one of those states, I tried to will myself upwards... And floated out of my body. It was horrifying. I immediately forced my way back in :P I don't think I'll be trying it again, it was a bit too scary x3

can only suggest a book since rule of thumb for me is not to give instructions "psychic Development for Beginners" by William W. Hewitt
great book, did alot for me ;P

I got Hypnosis for Dummies from the library today, thinking it might help me if I could produce a hypnotic state in myself. I'll see if I can find the one you recommend. Thanks. ^0^

You haven't read "The End of Mr.Y" by any chance?

I've never even heard of it. I'll have to look it up.

i had a site once that helped you get that far, i found it works but who knows if it works for everyone, if i find it again ill send it to ya though a PM.

Astral Projection? one of the better goa trance groups, which is to say they're merely bloody awful, not utter fckin' shite.

best site i've found is
https://www.psipog.net
good luck
>HUGS<

gee idk what to say considering there's already other ppl tried to give thier advice already.

someone taught me and we already had a magic/mystical connection. the first (two) step(s) is (are) to be in a relaxed stats such as meditation. how deep and how exactly i don't remember. all i know is you shouldn't be in a way that you can't breathe and you know you're not gona fall asleep at the same time :P. the other part of the first step is to know where you're going. me and the person who taught me both exchanged what we are like appearance (and other stuff ^^;;). this established a mental picture you then use like a beacon or compass when you left your body.

now this is the part i'm forgetting because at the time i'm writing this it's been 4 and a half years since i last done so. (reasons i don't want to explain...hurts) to leave your body you just imagine so. ^^;; you obviusly can't have distractions and you should be able to tell you're not sleeping and your body should at least still have vital signs (if but low).

i can do other things but almost everything magic/mystical i do is but faintly seen or noticeable depending on health, ability, practice, and focus (but not to hard XD). as long as you understand what you're seeing and have guidelines on how to get to where you want, ie image and/or feeling of the person or place you desire to go to, you should still be able to "see" stuff around.

now my friend that taught me said for a brief moment when you return to yourself you can interact with things. i'm gona ignore i said that last part because it brings up sad memories.

don't know if this helped or not but i can talk about other magic/mystical things specially concepts. ^^