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14 years ago
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Let us begin shall we?
Let us begin shall we?
Ok.... thats it, i'm going to ask this stupid question.
Or rather, series of questions.
What is programing?
And I don't mean... definition of the word, I mean, "what IS it?"
Someone has to comprehend that question.
Or rather, series of questions.
What is programing?
And I don't mean... definition of the word, I mean, "what IS it?"
Someone has to comprehend that question.
In the end a computer is nothing more than yes and no, on off, 1 0.
I understand that electronics are beyond complex and I can't begin to imagine the
schematics, but I want to know how you can turn computer language into a code that
is able to control a system of switches as to make something physical and incredibly
complex happen.
is something I can't explain, nor want to try to explain using this ipad at 1:41 in the morning.
My apologies. :I
If DNA can be sequenced and copied electronically and material information can be made digital.
Is it not possible to create a virtual life form every bit as complex as a material one?
All one needs is to code a single cell, and a limited environment.
However the problem comes in processing all the information of all the atoms at all times.
It would take a very complex physics engine and a very powerful processor.
But, if you simply code a strand of dna, build it virtually, and then feed it proteins and
molecules, it should function as a real dna strand. If you manage to build an egg cell, you could
even create a real organism. With enough umph, you could even go so far as create a
consciousness.
My mind is still stuck on the virtual model, as I see the "algorithm" of thought (with my limited knowledge of neurobiology) as simply being an algorithm that cannot be transferred by the simple code of the DNA.. The result would probably be just a genetic clone unless there was a "science fiction" method of continuing the processes of enzyme/protein synthasis currently occurring in the subject, but in a virtual model (the beauty of the ATP-Synthase protein alone shows me that I don't think this virtual model can be completed, as with the limits of our knowledge of the cell)
But again, that is the problem I keep coming up against we have a simple code of adenine, cytosine, guanine, and thymine which results in a 4 base pair code for the DNA, if we don't bother coding for the nucleoside of the sugar and phosphorous base, we could technically code the information as 0,1,2,3. I do not see this representing itself as an AI, as unless the DNA can form messenger RNA to make use of the DNA through the codons (coming once again to the whole idea of the virtual model of the body) I do not see the DNA itself working as AI.
I was originally thinking of simply using only one nucleotide of the DNA to save space with the helix as only one section would be needed to form the mRNA, but I quickly saw the flaw in that- the DNA would have to be done as a helix, with both sides having the "start" and "stop" codons active, or a virtual representation thereof.
But then again, I'm now a stone-cold atheist who views "life" as a complex chemical process, and nothing more. Our sense of self is a lucky biproduct of the chemical process, imho.
My science fiction story, though, views the mind as a mathematical equation that develops from the primordial ether that would later develop into the elements.
I know so little about programming, though.
With the creation of a cell, and "feeding" that cell (were the physics engine as complex as controlling all the individual atoms)
It would eventually develop into a larger much more complex organism. The DNA is just a blueprint for the organism, not the end result of
a complex neurological system. In fact the simplicity of DNA is that it makes the end product even less complicated as the only thing that
would be additionally needed are nutrients to encourage growth. Being its own code it need only to exist and it is capable of regulating its
own functions. The complexity of the organism is however the ability to map everything all at once. If only half of the reactions occur in a
continuous flow, then the resulting conflict of reactions being ahead of other necessary reactions would result in the "death" of the
organism as a whole.
However, being a virtual setting this can prevented with a time control method to match the processor's max capacity. (Stop time, calculate all reactions, etc.)
In fact with current technology this can be achieved. The problem lies in the real time speed of the machine, because programing the individual cell to
function is hard enough.
Imagine that each cell must use up as much processing power as an entire WoW server. Multiply by the tens of thousands let alone trillions it would take to create an organism with a neurological system. It would take years just to get to the "birth" stage.
I believe that life is simply this chemical process, be it in simple cells, nervous tissue cells, etc. Our consciousness as humans is another biproduct of these chemical processes.
I find artificial human intelligence copying hard to do through DNA, because so much has to happen in the equation, as something has to be done with all of that DNA information (which, again, is mostly transcribed as mRNA codons) As we do not fully understand simple processes in our cells like the Krebs cycle, using accepted models to try and understand them, as well as the intrinsic nature of hydrogen bonds in a way that we've not been able to apply them, I just don't see this happening.
In summary:
We need to translate the DNA, and our body does it as groupings of three, bringing the messenger RNA to ribosomes so we may create proteins/enzymes. Our body and our consciousness is a result of this transcription/translation on a macro scale. Something has to be done with the DNA. We cannot just take the information for the different types of nervous tissue and hope to create consciousness. It all must work together for there to be a "life."
We know a lot about these processes, but there is even more we do not know. I cannot think of this still existing outside of a virtual model with all intrinsic bits working together, as turning some of this off kinda... destroys the system and makes the "body" invalid.
ouch.
There is a lot id like to take from this, but in honesty the amount of data is overwhelming. Not in terms of understanding, but more so in expanding to a more large scale idea on a series of subjects. Like that of consciousness, where from what I understand is largely derived from the base DNA, proteins, enzymes, molecules etc., but maintaining a level of "chance".
At the very least I can understand that a mechanical version is impossible (standard). In fact, its not necessary at all.
In fact, this new info has me even more intrigued with how the brain functions.
But what else can one be doing at 1:41 in the morning???????
Like macros that run other macros that run commands almost, if that helps any.
That make any sense?
I think if I just learn and study the parts individually one day I can fathom the whole.
One of the easier ones would probably be one of the many variants of BASIC, if you're interested in that kind of thing. (I hear someone's working on a Windows/Linux clone of the old DOS QBasic over at http://www.qbasic.com/ actually, but I haven't tried it out yet...)
>If value integer = <1; then prompt "hello"
>else prompt "Denied"
where prompt is a window name and the coding is for user interface input.
She did a copy and made VR peep of herself.
Any. I did coding in school. *blahhh*
Which was out dated almost as soon as it was taught. Programs write other programs now. And so on and so on.
It is though just one big super calculator system.
Look at it like a certain number of ones and zeros tell the puter screen what color and where on the screen. It pixal has a location number. To get a display to show you what you with it has to tell that location what color ect... And each location would have many diff types of colors with each number doing that.
Why puters had just bad screens with only one color for years, then it got faster better to the HD we have now :P
To think how fast the puter has to send the codes to a screen is mind blowing.
Enough of me babbling :P
In fact, our brains work at speeds far greater than our consciousness is able to articulate.
A single thought is composed of hundreds if not thousands of messages connected to each other and becoming of each other all in a "moment".
A wonder of our minds is the ability to work at such speeds and at such a grand scale and yet remain within tolerable temperatures.
Conventional technology would burn out in seconds had it the same capacity.
The concept pains me because its relatively simple, but how it works, like how do you make code actually active as opposed to just bashing a keyboard and hope for it to work baffles me to confusion.
I may have repeated the obvious, but thats all I really know about it.