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18 years ago
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Sent By: Wolfblade On: March 8th, 2008 02:29
Hello.
Before I get started, I would like to make it clear that this note is first meant to be simply seeking clarification.
There are a great number of SL screenshots in your gallery. I am just checking to make sure that all of the Avatars shown in your screenshots were either created from scratch by you yourself, or, were created from scratch by someone else who made them specifically for you.
If there are more than three submissions of a single avatar, please choose the three you would like to keep and remove the excess.
If any submissions contain avatars that were store-bought or edits of existing avatars, or belonged to other people and were not made by/for you, please remove them.
Any submissions in which every avatar shown was created from scratch by or for you, are fine so long as there are not more than three submissions per avatar. Please do not misunderstand this note as a demand to wipe out your gallery. I am just meaning to clarify the rules, and you are more than welcome to keep all SL submissions that are within the guidelines of the AUP. You >ONLY< need to remove the ones that are outside what the AUP allows.
Please, before making any removals, if you have ANY questions at all, or are not 100% clear on which SL submissions are okay and which are not, you are welcome to note me back and ask your questions and I will do my best to clarify. We don't want you to remove something that is not against the rules due to misunderstanding or anything.
If you do understand though, and don't have any concerns to raise, then please give your gallery a good looking-over, and only remove whatever SL submissions fall outside of the allowed guidelines.
Thank you for your cooperation. ^_^
THis is such a bullshit rule. People can take pictures of things in real life, they didn't make, they can take pictures of themselves, but us people who took the time and the money to create an avatar that resembles our inner self, can't show it off to the world? I don't knkow about you, but how many of you out there are complaining about the art that I do? How many of you don't consider it to be art? This is such a bad rule. I refuse to remove my stuff, because I consider it to be just as much art, as anyone's pictures that have been taken. I need your support on this, please!
~Zeric
Sent By: Wolfblade On: March 8th, 2008 02:29
Hello.
Before I get started, I would like to make it clear that this note is first meant to be simply seeking clarification.
There are a great number of SL screenshots in your gallery. I am just checking to make sure that all of the Avatars shown in your screenshots were either created from scratch by you yourself, or, were created from scratch by someone else who made them specifically for you.
If there are more than three submissions of a single avatar, please choose the three you would like to keep and remove the excess.
If any submissions contain avatars that were store-bought or edits of existing avatars, or belonged to other people and were not made by/for you, please remove them.
Any submissions in which every avatar shown was created from scratch by or for you, are fine so long as there are not more than three submissions per avatar. Please do not misunderstand this note as a demand to wipe out your gallery. I am just meaning to clarify the rules, and you are more than welcome to keep all SL submissions that are within the guidelines of the AUP. You >ONLY< need to remove the ones that are outside what the AUP allows.
Please, before making any removals, if you have ANY questions at all, or are not 100% clear on which SL submissions are okay and which are not, you are welcome to note me back and ask your questions and I will do my best to clarify. We don't want you to remove something that is not against the rules due to misunderstanding or anything.
If you do understand though, and don't have any concerns to raise, then please give your gallery a good looking-over, and only remove whatever SL submissions fall outside of the allowed guidelines.
Thank you for your cooperation. ^_^
THis is such a bullshit rule. People can take pictures of things in real life, they didn't make, they can take pictures of themselves, but us people who took the time and the money to create an avatar that resembles our inner self, can't show it off to the world? I don't knkow about you, but how many of you out there are complaining about the art that I do? How many of you don't consider it to be art? This is such a bad rule. I refuse to remove my stuff, because I consider it to be just as much art, as anyone's pictures that have been taken. I need your support on this, please!
~Zeric
But your right, it's a bullshit rule and I totally agree.
SL is created BY users FOR the users. If it wasn't meant to be seen by anyone, then SL wouldn't exist. And those users who HAVE custom avatars... They can't tell you that you can't take a picture of them. As far as I know, there's no way to block that either. It's craziness, where do you draw the line as to what is "copyrighted" user content and what isn't? And why should FA care if 95% of every submission that comes in is drawings or photography or digital art?
Anyway, Isinia moved her gallery to dA. There's nothing there that she saw in the rules. And, there is a place that's like MySpace for Second Life. It's called SL Profiles, and Isinia and I have an account there... you can post all the SL pics there you want... here's the link -
http://www.slprofiles.com/index.asp
Hope this helps... and you can add me too, if you join ^^
Thats what this is.
Whoever sent this is bored out of their skull and has nothing better to do so they go about poking at random profiles then heckle you.
Rotten buggers.
Sent By: Wolfblade On: March 10th, 2008 08:20
Well, the point of 'when I buy something, I can do whatever I want with it' isn't quite entirely accurate.
If you buy a motorcycle, you still aren't allowed to drive it in places that don't allow motorcycles.
We only allow art that is By You or For You. The main reason for this is because >technically,< EVERYONE has permission to freely distribute any works that are deemed Public Domain. But that only means you can distribute it in places that allow you to. The fact that you have distribution rights does not mean every and any service online which allows any hosting at all is FORCED to allow you to use their service to distribute. We don't want people using the site to post clip art, or old songs that have become Public Domain, etc. The point of owning something means you can do what you want with it, up until the point where what you want to do breaks a law, or a rule, or you want to do it in someone else's space where they do not want you doing it.
FA's rules say that you have to have made it or had it made specifically just for you, and have permission to repost. Permission alone isn't the whole matter, the first and foremost rule that ALL submissions must meet before anything else is the By You For You rule. If that isn't met, then none of the rest matters because that comes first.
I do understand where you're coming from. And I am not dismissing your effort. It is just not possible to have a rule that allows your submisions without either also allowing the simple barely-edited snapshot stuff, or imposing judgment of skill and quality to determine whether something can get posted or not.
We don't tell people "Sorry, you didn't put enough time into this" or "sorry, you're just not good enough at modding avies." To be fair and consistent, the rules have to be built on solid foundations of basic principle, and then those principles need to be consistent throughout the rules.
To alter the rules to allow edits or mods of someone else's work, we would either have to be arbitrarily inconsistent and make exceptions, or we would have to remove the BYFY rule. And that is not going to happen because it is the first and foremost, most basic and fundamental point behind what the site is here for.
I know it's frustrating. But we let people post art they have created, or had created for them. We let people post art that they have made in conjunction with someone else as a team effort. But we don't let people post art where they have taken someone else's work, and made changes to it. No matter how good the changes are, or how nice the final product is, or how much time is spent on it, it doesn't change the fact that you start with the creative product of someone else, and then add your own content to it. And that is not allowed unless the other artist made their portion of the content >specifically< for you to take and edit.
If you purchase a custom avatar, one made just for you, and then changed it, that would be allowed if they give you permission to change and post it. Because it was For You.
I'm not sure how else I could explain this. I appreciate that you're talking with me calmly, and I really do sincerely want to try and come to the end of this without leaving you upset as much as I can manage. I know it's inevitable that you'll be upset to some degree, but I want to do whatever I can to make sure you understand at least. >_<
The only thing separating your submissions from someone else who just airbrushed on a shirt to an otherwise out-of-the-box avatar is the degree of skill and effort involved. And there is obviously a great deal of effort and time and energy put into your edits, please don't misunderstand me there, I do recognize the work you put in.
But essentially, fundamentally, it is still a person modifying someone else's work and then posting it as their own.
To allow yours but not allow the other means telling some people they're "not good enough." Who's to say who is good enough or not? If we were going to do that, there'd be a LOT of really "beginner" art removed from the site. And that might even make a lot of people happy. But who draws the line at what is "good enough" and what is "not good enough?"
Do you see why we HAVE to base the rules on principles other than quality of the art? We can't base it on how good it is or how much work goes in. That's not fair to people who just aren't quite at your level of skill. And again, the underlying principle beneath all of this is that no matter how skilled you are, you start with someone else's work, and in EVERY other instance or possible situation, that is not allowed in submissions, so why should Second Life be an exception to that? We don't allow edits to movie screenshots, we don't allow edits to music or drawings or stories, or anything else at all. We can't allow modded SL avatars without breaking that principle, and if it is okay to edit and mod SL avatars that weren't made specifically for you to edit, then why is it not okay to take someone else's lineart and change an color it however you want and post it as your own?
I know a lot of people are upset with the inconsistencies with the rules. Or just the rules in general. But I am trying to get us some consistency and fairness, and I just really hope that you can understand that here. Being consistent and fair sometimes means telling someone 'no' even if you really really really REALLY want to just say 'okay fine.' I really don't want the site to be run just arbitrarily based on what one admin likes/dislikes/thinks is good enough, and I don't think anyone else wants that either. But there's no way to do what you're asking without either being arbitrary, or just letting people post whatever.
>_<
So I've been fighting with this guy for a while now. he still aparently doesn't understand this, or has it in for me, Im sure. Its such a stupid rule, and I want this changed. An art site, that doesn't allow certin types of art. How wonderuful.