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To whoever's been reposting my work on e621...
17 years ago
Please don't post the adult artwork that I've been doing lately. I'd rather not have that circulating too far. And there's no way in hell I'm giving my real name and address out online. I'm almost annoyed enough at that policy to request all my work be taken down from there. But then I'd need to let some random furries know where I live and my full real name. That, and they have banners that they're making money off of, and I do not. So it's using my work to make someone else money (though probably not very much, I've always assumed this stuff goes to bandwidth costs?)
Also, don't post the pictures of younger characters (The ONE PICTURE I have of anything under 18, and they're not doing anything inappropriate, thankfully) on what is primarily a porn site. That's creepy.
Also, don't post the pictures of younger characters (The ONE PICTURE I have of anything under 18, and they're not doing anything inappropriate, thankfully) on what is primarily a porn site. That's creepy.
I do like the site, as a user. Looking from an artists perspective, I can see why it's not always popular.
'nuff said
Also, I do not blame you for not wanting to give out your real personal information. It is simply more safe to keep that hidden from the public. *snugs* I hope this situation soon works out in your favor hun.
in which many people report that addresses and private information was reposted without permission, you are right not wanting to give them that information. They have abused it in the past. I don't know if it's worth trying to ask them politely to take it down though. Some artists were obliged, some weren't, it seems.
The site was taken down once due to a breach of their host's TOS, but it looks like they are in a more secure host for their site, since it's not coming down anytime soon. I don't want to say there's nothing you can do, but they seem to be able to get away with a lot. I don't feel anything malicious or praising toward the site, but all I know is that they have treated artists defending their work poorly. It might be a "great place" otherwise, but that's a pretty big "otherwise" to me.
Have you tried writing an email? They might take your work down and add you to the no-post list anyway.
Personally I'd create a pseudonym to post adult work under if I didn't want adult work going very far (which I do). I think it's too easy for the wrong folks to see it with my name on it.
Everything everybody posts on the internet that is furry will get passed round the net a lot, either on image boards or file sharing programs.
It's a fact of life that shocks every artist who gets zinged by it.
Your just another statistic. To bad you probably don't have the money to pursue legal action against them.
You could always contact the web host with a DMCA notice. That sometimes works, provided that the host is based in the US.
The majority of the ads on the site are fan supplied, only the two google text ads at the very top are not, which nobody ever clicks anyways.
Well to whoever is doing it, yeah, better stop. D:
There's nothing about your phone number or address needed.
once it hits online thats it, if you dont want it publicly thrown around id suggest not even putting it online (dont get me wrong im not saying you should just stop uploading either)
Even if its sold to people in the flesh, they will prolly scan or rip it to online for free.
That one guys response was to file with the domain? Id really see no need in that, keep in mind they are profiting off traffic itself (if they are) not your artwork, if they was reprinting selling your art or making it a paysite to pay to view your work then i would be outraged and pissed off.
At the moment its just free advertising, you can ask to be taken off and i know the owner isnt a huge dick about things no matter what people say, but he likes to check all facts first before just up and doing something.
We require this information for proof that you are who you say you are. Otherwise, anyone could claim to be anyone. Would you like it if someone sent a message to FA saying YOU were a fake and they deleted all your stuff, without proof? I doubt it.
We do it for legal reasons also. We're allowed to request it under the DMCA. We're also legally required not to release any of this information.
(The aforementioned circumstance, an external person found the information out THEMSELVES, through other means.)
and we only make enough to cover costs.
I don't even mind much of the work being up there, I simply do not want the work that other people paid me to do up on any site that I can't control or remove those pieces at the commissioner's discretion. I don't want to have to put watermarks on my images, either.
Honestly, not too many artists with careers to consider want to have their names and addresses given to a website that collects their porn. It's enough to make some of us wish to no longer publicly post adult works. Which sucks, because I generally do like to share my work. The only reason I've been posting this work at all is because I can do so under a pseudonym.
You're just basically giving away free art if you don't consider how easily it is to just download an image especially if you're just reposting the image after someone paid their money for. I mean technically no one needs an account on FA. People have just passed the "Download" link and it's visible - that means no description is following that download link, and your username in the filename.
Now you consider this. Can you control that? Or can you control whether or not you can post it to begin with?
So read again. If you're getting paid for this work, would you treat it like your other work, or take special considerations for handling it especially if you know it's going to be treated like your regular work?
And I really do not like the conditions of e621's policies, which is what brought it up. I understand wanting security for the artwork, not wanting massive amounts of it to be removed. I just don't like people asking me for personal information to dictate whether or not I can control what galleries my work is in. Yes, people take things to boards all the time, and I didn't used to mind, but it's starting to be obnoxious as well.
It's just that in the age of "sharing" that once you post commissions in the same manner of other works when you didn't mind being reposted you're letting users give it the same treatment. It's a good idea to just check with the commissioner first if it's ok to post it to your gallery in the event it gets reposted.
I'm just reading what your complaint was, and it was that you were concerned for your customers. That's something you need to take accountability for and discuss with him/her first, not be upset at another site for since a lot of times this may get reposted elsewhere with a filename change and the next person who posts it doesn't know what your guidelines are.
I think what I'll end up doing it putting some text under the images that specify who the commissioner was, and then my website, and not to redistribute the images. Yes, that can be removed easily, but then at least I know that it wasn't a case of a lack of knowledge about posting I was more annoyed with the policies of the site after I went to take the images off of it, since it has a delete function, and found that as an artist, I'd have to give up personal information in order to have those images removed.
Since they were posted by Anonymous folks, and the only place I posted them was here, I figured that whoever was taking the images did watch my site, so I was hoping that they'd be able to just remove them themselves.
It is a problem for you to come to terms with though - once you allow your pics into the public domain, then they WILL be taken and used by others in many different forms. You can't protect against it.There will be other sites, with admins less accommodating.
So. Either protect your work with watermarks/URL's etc etc, or take them down. But you can't leave them up, unprotected, and expect them to stay here. You have to be one step ahead.
Oh. Sorry, one final point.
"Also, don't post the pictures of younger characters (The ONE PICTURE I have of anything under 18, and they're not doing anything inappropriate, thankfully) on what is primarily a porn site. That's creepy."
Furaffinity is primarily a porn site. The only reason people are here instead of Deviantart or Sheezyart is the porn. Porn gets triple the views and triple the faves. The artists that post porn are the most popular. Artists who never post porn find it hard to get off the ground. This is no less of a porn site than e621.
And, again, I don't have a problem with some of the images being posted other places. I just don't like that one needs to give out personal information in order to be able to manage their own work at a site that does categorize things by name of artist, and thus, has that as a draw to bring people in to a banner-funded site.
Probably the reason that there have been threats towards the site owner is that people do feel that they are being manipulated into giving out personal information to a complete stranger, and they're acting out of anger. Also, the leak of that information, be it the site owner's fault or a completely unrelated person initiating the info leak probably made people even less comfortable with the site.
Yes, I think it's cool that everything's categorized on there and easy to find, I like the idea of an organized, quality art site. I just want my tiny little corner of it to be in my control without having to give out my real information to someone I do not know. I don't mind sharing, I just like it if people ask first.
As much as you dislike the giving out of that information, Arcturus is legally entitled to ask it, just as he is legally obligated to keep such information confidential. That said, you've been polite enough about this whole ordeal I'm going to cut corners, just this once. (I don't really make the policy decisions people, and will probably get in hot water for this, so don't expect this to be a regular thing.)
It's a shame you don't see the benefits of the site's publicity draws - your work was nice enough to probably snag a few commissions with the publicity, but to each their own. Of course, given that there's a small armada of people with apparent vendettas to grind at the site, and the usual furry schitcks of stirring up drama, and spreading gross exaggeration/blatantly made up facts/deliberate misinformation sadly still be at the throat of the site, so I can't blame you for being suspicious or having a poor opinion of the place. We're never going to get rid of these people (hell, these are the same people who sent emails to the ISP saying the site was full of RL child porn to try to get it shut down, so 'calm' and 'rational' has no place for some of them), so the best we can do is show you that -maybe- we're not really all that bad, and you can make your own decision. Hopefully one day in the future maybe you'll want to join the community yourself, maybe not, but either way, keep it up with your art! We're all art lovers at e621, and contrary to what you may have heard, try to help out when we can.
And, as I've mentioned several times on this particular entry, I didn't mind some of the work being up there, just not my commissions, and especially not my overtly adult work, since it's not only a commission, but I'm still not completely comfortable with posting adult pieces. If it was drawn by me, for me, then I didn't really care.
I certainly wouldn't mind posting some of my work, that way I could manage it myself, and keep it updated and only my best works that no one else has any claim on via commissions.
I do somewhat understand the need for information on some level (because some artists do have hissy fits and nuke their entire galleries, to return days later, but the images are lost. This can be infuriating, and I can see why this would be prevented if at all possible), but I believe that can be met by having the artist post from the source of the work, or asking before a category is made in the artist's name.
Asking for real names and addresses when it comes to furry art just seems to be very demanding and intrusive, especially when the artist was not asked permission to have the works reposted on a collection site. The artist may not wish to have their furry porn connected to their working identities, and this is the case for me.
It did make me very annoyed towards the site, and colored my perception of it quite poorly. I don't see why someone should be able to take something without permission, and then demand personal, possibly damaging information, especially when they are not a company, but individuals. I understand that anonymity is promised, but it's still the equivalent of handing out your name, address, and phone number to a random person on the street. Also, with the previous information leak that occurred without the site owner's intent, I'm still very uneasy about giving this information out at all. I still see this as an equivalent of taking someone's car for a ride because it was in their driveway and not locked in their garage, and then demanding personal information once the car's owner catches you.
It's really obnoxious to find a collection of your work on a place you didn't put it. I do like that there are sources linked to the place where the work was found, that is very handy. I have gotten the argument that "You put it on the internet, so it's up for grabs." The result of this is that I'm no longer posting everything, and I'm trimming my gallery. Which sucks, because I really do love to share, but that argument is so prevalent and annoying that I feel I do have to do something about it. This isn't just because of e621, either, I've heard this argument proposed so many times that it's just worn on me.
TL:DR version- I don't need the publicity until my workload slows, I don't mind some of my work being up there, as long as I'm the one who put it there, and it's not blatant porn, and I think people mainly get pissed at the website because it asks for information that it has no right to in order to manage work that was not given permission to be posted, which then damages the trust between artists and those running the site.
I do take a bit of exception to the comment we have no right to request the information; as stated we do have this right legally and choose to exercise it, and we are required to abide by the full extent of the laws regarding that information, including confidentiality. You might not like it, and I can perfectly accept that and understand it, however, saying we have no right to request it is incorrect. Be upset with the policy if you like, but understand it's our legal prerogative to do so even if you disagree.
That said, I again thank you for acting civilly regarding the whole ordeal and I'm sorry you won't be joining our community of artists and fans, however, we will surely still look forward to seeing your work in the future, wherever it may be located.
As I've said, we make every effort to try and credit each artist fully and link back to their galleries when we can, which even then is not foolproof nor complete, but at least we're trying, in a way that is at the very least sensible, and able to be accomplished in a reasonable fashion. In a perfect world, everyone who posts would have permission from the artist and we'd have some way of every user already knowing exactly what every furry artist would want in regards to the posting, and would abide by that, but people aren't psychic and the mod staff are not gods. We do what we can given the size and wholly-volunteer staff of the site to assist the artists and keep things running smoothly, and it's already more than almost every other image board out there, but as you've seen, no matter what we try to do, people want more than is reasonable to accomplish, or will complain anyways.
The site gets the occasional request by people who want or demand the site is fundamentally changed from what it is, but let's be reasonable here - the site is what it is, and it's no more going to have any fundamental changes any more than McDonald's would stop serving burgers and switch to spaghetti. Most artist in my experience who post on the site are happy with the fact we make as much an effort as we do, but at the same time sometimes I feel we'd get less complaints if we just hid behind the anonymous wall of moderation most other image boards have, and didn't credit anyone or anything, and completely ignored emails sent in, since you never really hear people raging against those sites as much as the furor e621 seems to generate. I dunno. It's disheartening to actually, actively try to be 'the art board that tries to be fairer to artists' as it were, and basically get railed on for the exact opposite, while similar places with credit for the creators get happily ignored. Like I said, you can't please em all.
As an aside, some bored fellow did a statistical comparison a few months back and found out that e621 had less porn per total post ratio than fchan and lulz, probably the only two more popular furry imageboards by visitors, and was about the same ratio as FA, but suprisingly had less guro/extreme fetishes. I wish I could still find the links to it, it had pie charts and everything. :)
Anyone who is smart enough would not trust anyone with their personal information to a stranger. And to ask others to do this is rather absurd and down right rude in my opinion. Perhaps you should rethink your policy and make it make more sense. After all you have to be respectful of others, or you should.
there was all kinds of drama on 4chan about it's demise
I am not condoning it, but I would not be a fan, paying fan, of a couple of artists if they did not have that exposure. That being said, yea it sucks but in all honesty once you put something on the net it stays there forever.