btw the catholic church sanctioned homosexual marriage from like 800-1200 SD

*AD. Still, this is all a social construct and people let social constructions oppress themselves.

Indeed. I love it when someone tries to say that marriage has always been defined the same way for ~5000 years. There is a vast amount of evidence against that. But then again the people that make that claim are creationist, which is why they usually stick to that ballpark figure of 5000 years. They think that is when the Universe came into existence despite all of the evidence against it. xÐ

It's hard to debate people who willfully ignore evidence. It's usually their own egos that won't accept facts, evidence, discoveries, and tests, even if scientific method is more valid than here-say.

It isn't really that hard, it is just even more epic when you can bust them out on their willful ignorance. Accepting evidence and peer review by specialist in the field is hard for most people because admitting one's mistakes is pretty hard for most people. I've had to do that years ago and I feel that I have become a better person because of it.

btw, I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say with that last bit.

religious arguments are heresay is what i meant.

wait, wut? I dun git it, i r teh confuzzied

*facepalm* 485 species practice homosexuality besides human kind... how is this Not Natural?

Natural has a different meaning to a creationist, or they are basing the idea off of their warped and ignorant view of the world.

Or rather, "natural" is deliberately meant to be a loaded term and it's meant to confuse people because there are so many ways to refute it.

It amazes me to this day how many people in this world think that we didn't carefully consider the fact that people of the same gender can't biologically reproduce with each other before dismissing it as irrelevant.

Oh, the procreation argument. It is funny that they do not apply that to heterosexual couples that are infertile or who choose not to have children. But that would take critical thought.

then there is that booming business with contraceptives and abortion, but creationists generally do not approve of those either

just look at how well the church has done preventing people vrom using them, and there for been too burdened with massive amounts of unwanted children to be able to afford to throw off the outdated mode of thinking (if you can call it that) the church fosts off on their 'followers'

The Catholic Church actually does try to apply this universally and is why they don't allow birth control. Most priests tend to ignore this rule when marrying couples and in their own lives with their mistresses. As an interesting anecdote, in Colombia it's law that when a retired man with a pension dies, if he doesn't have a wife, his pension can and ought to be legally claimed by his mistress if he has one; imagine, then, the surprise of the Colombian Catholic Church when it realised that it was going to have to pay a priest's homosexual, live-in partner the pension money that the retired priest had been receiving. Go Colombia!

lol, awesome.

Observed in over 1500 species, documented in detail for over 500 of those. That was reported back in 1999. It is a funny fact that christians refuse to accept.

One thing I never hear from these fundamentalists is a statement declaring when they "CHOSE" to be straight!

Indubitably.

I try not to stoop to the level of name-calling, I really do, but some of those people featured are just retarded. Someone needs to put them back into the evolutionary oven because they obviously didn't finish baking; still a little soft in the head.