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Facebook chat log with the girl in the last journal
13 years ago
Starts with her.
I HATE people saying Bisexuality and Pansexuality are the same.
Because they are not
But it is
I am pansexual.
it isn't the same
So you like people
regardless of gender
correct?
The very words are different and the prefixes have different meanings. The prefix "bi" means two or duality, usually polar opposites of two extremes, as in "BI-nary" or "BI-polar". It insinuates that there is a binary. The prefix "pan" however means "all" or "all encompassing", for example the word "panorama" means a broad view, or an all encompassing view. Most bisexuals agree with this essentialist thinking in thinking that bisexual implies being attracted to BOTH sexes, male and female, and that there are ONLY two sexes, or only two genders. Also, many bisexuals hold themselves to conforming to the binary in more than just being attracted to male and female. They also hold themselves to societal binaries in terms of the types of males and females they are attracted to. Such as, they still see the world in terms of male/female, masculine/feminine, penis/vagina. They want a male that is masculine with a penis, and a female that is feminine with a vagina. Their ideas about their bisexuality still falls in line with societal norms and binaries in terms of sex, gender, and sexuality.
...HIGHLY untrue
They want a male that is masculine with a penis, and a female that is feminine with a vagina. Their ideas about their bisexuality still falls in line with societal norms and binaries in terms of sex, gender, and sexuality.
I don't like masculine dudes
I really don't
they're gross to me
Then your not pansexual
I know
I'm Bi
then stop saying they are the same
thats fine
Alright, let me see if I have this straight
Pansexuals however are more blind about the idea of binaries. They see the world and people in terms that don't always conform to binaries. They don't believe in just male/female, feminine/masculine, penis/vagina as the only options people can have. A pansexual person won't base their attraction on what is in your pants alone, and then place as assumption for your expected behavior based on your genitals. For example, a pansexual person may be attracted to someone who is masculine, has female genitals, but identifies their gender as genderqueer. Or a pansexual person may be attracted to a biological male that likes to wear panties, or a biological female that calls herself "William". They tend to be more apathetic about societal gender norms and conformity to them. They could be attracted to crossdressers, drag kings, drag queens, bi-gendered people, androgynes, transgenders, transsexuals, pre-op, post-op, etc. They don't limit themselves to just the binaries. They usually base their attraction to a person on their personality, intelligence, or other characteristics that are not gender/gender role/sex defined.
Pan is attracted to a person regardless of physical features or gender and cares only for the personality correct?
yes and no
I like people
I love people
So do I
I have been with all types of people
I like them regardless of gender, because bis like both, because there are only 2
even a couple who were transgendered.
unless we cont herms as 3
I would have no issue with transgender myself
because I'm open minded
But a transgender is still either male or female
but they aren't
Perhaps you'd like to tell that to Nobe
Noben*
Noben is a girl who was born a male
she had an M2F and now considers herself female
Girl with penis, guy with a vag
So you're saying she's wrong?
That is fine
Because you can't be neither
No I am saying the way your thinking is wrong
Let me call my friends
She can't have periods or kids, but she has a vag and considers herself femae
female
as do I
What would a transgender be then?
you can identify as the other gender when you have your own genders equipment
I've considered M2F god knows how many times
If I were to do it, I'd consider myself a female
I wouldn't want to be neither because that's impossible
Transgender: identified with a gender other than the biological
There's male, female, herm. As per medical science and the people who do the transgender
Well I'm pretty sure and open-mided bisexual wouldn't care
I know I wouldn't
So if I'm bi and not pan, but I'm cool with sexing a transgender, what does that make me?
Cause I'm not pan.
I'm bi. Without a judgemental mindset. I just refuse to believe we can start making up genders
Thats fine. My issue is you were saying that they were the same thing
What's the difference?
I'd still like to know
because all I'm seeing so far is Pan = Open-Minded Bi
Pans are willing to accept that there are 5 genders or something?
When medical science and the people who are those other 2 that have been made up say nay-nay?
it isn't.... and I am fucking done talking about it with someone who is not understanding. I have to go to bed i have to wake up in the morning
Saying "it isn't" over and over will not help your case
the thing you just said made sense
I'm debating. Your points are just completely flawed.
Bisexuality claims there are 2 genders
3 if we count herms
but go on
no we aren't
ok
the raw definition says male or female
correct
With Pansexual's, they like everyone. male, female, transgenders, Herms, etc
they aren't the same
that i what I am saying
Ok, see, here's where I get confused
You're saying that Bis see only 2 genders
but Pan's like everyone
those are two completely different point
points*
how many genders do pans see?
none?
Because you have to realize that's impossible
Bi's can't like everyone? Cause I do
sounds pretty much the same to me
Noben considers herself a female. No one can tell her she isn't.
male, female, transgenders, Herms, etc
I am not telling her she isn't
Male and Female, Transgenders are male and female as per medical science and those who have gone under the knife
HELL some of the people i sleep with are guys who consider themselves female
thats fine
you said we're not counting herms but if we are open minded bis don't care
But they're still male physically
therefore male.
Female in their mind
under the knife, now female
as for bi's i wasn't for Pans I was
So bi's are now not allowed to recognize herms?
...
I'm totally fine with sleeping with a herm. I have 0 issue about that. I have no issue with loving a herm
It doesn't matter to me
We'll count them as a third. Open minded bi's are cool with herm
also you said 'etc'
what's the 'etc'
See I'm just not getting you points at all
supposedly there are 6 types of sexes
ok
male, female, herm, transgender, transexual, ?
no clue what the 6th is
I am trying to get that information.
I learned it in my Sex theory class
lemme know when you have the 6th on
one*
cause I'm actually thoroughly interested in this
well apparently one article say it is fish [:P]
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/tim-.....ders-are-there
...fish? XD
what
anyway I have work in the morning i will do more research tomrrow and get back to you. I need sleep and waking up at 5am sucks
I must read
ditty
ditto*
So let's not use religion in this huh? Stick to facts and science
just saying
*at this point it changes to normal chit-chat because we both realize we need to go to bed for work tomorrow.*
I HATE people saying Bisexuality and Pansexuality are the same.
Because they are not
But it is
I am pansexual.
it isn't the same
So you like people
regardless of gender
correct?
The very words are different and the prefixes have different meanings. The prefix "bi" means two or duality, usually polar opposites of two extremes, as in "BI-nary" or "BI-polar". It insinuates that there is a binary. The prefix "pan" however means "all" or "all encompassing", for example the word "panorama" means a broad view, or an all encompassing view. Most bisexuals agree with this essentialist thinking in thinking that bisexual implies being attracted to BOTH sexes, male and female, and that there are ONLY two sexes, or only two genders. Also, many bisexuals hold themselves to conforming to the binary in more than just being attracted to male and female. They also hold themselves to societal binaries in terms of the types of males and females they are attracted to. Such as, they still see the world in terms of male/female, masculine/feminine, penis/vagina. They want a male that is masculine with a penis, and a female that is feminine with a vagina. Their ideas about their bisexuality still falls in line with societal norms and binaries in terms of sex, gender, and sexuality.
...HIGHLY untrue
They want a male that is masculine with a penis, and a female that is feminine with a vagina. Their ideas about their bisexuality still falls in line with societal norms and binaries in terms of sex, gender, and sexuality.
I don't like masculine dudes
I really don't
they're gross to me
Then your not pansexual
I know
I'm Bi
then stop saying they are the same
thats fine
Alright, let me see if I have this straight
Pansexuals however are more blind about the idea of binaries. They see the world and people in terms that don't always conform to binaries. They don't believe in just male/female, feminine/masculine, penis/vagina as the only options people can have. A pansexual person won't base their attraction on what is in your pants alone, and then place as assumption for your expected behavior based on your genitals. For example, a pansexual person may be attracted to someone who is masculine, has female genitals, but identifies their gender as genderqueer. Or a pansexual person may be attracted to a biological male that likes to wear panties, or a biological female that calls herself "William". They tend to be more apathetic about societal gender norms and conformity to them. They could be attracted to crossdressers, drag kings, drag queens, bi-gendered people, androgynes, transgenders, transsexuals, pre-op, post-op, etc. They don't limit themselves to just the binaries. They usually base their attraction to a person on their personality, intelligence, or other characteristics that are not gender/gender role/sex defined.
Pan is attracted to a person regardless of physical features or gender and cares only for the personality correct?
yes and no
I like people
I love people
So do I
I have been with all types of people
I like them regardless of gender, because bis like both, because there are only 2
even a couple who were transgendered.
unless we cont herms as 3
I would have no issue with transgender myself
because I'm open minded
But a transgender is still either male or female
but they aren't
Perhaps you'd like to tell that to Nobe
Noben*
Noben is a girl who was born a male
she had an M2F and now considers herself female
Girl with penis, guy with a vag
So you're saying she's wrong?
That is fine
Because you can't be neither
No I am saying the way your thinking is wrong
Let me call my friends
She can't have periods or kids, but she has a vag and considers herself femae
female
as do I
What would a transgender be then?
you can identify as the other gender when you have your own genders equipment
I've considered M2F god knows how many times
If I were to do it, I'd consider myself a female
I wouldn't want to be neither because that's impossible
Transgender: identified with a gender other than the biological
There's male, female, herm. As per medical science and the people who do the transgender
Well I'm pretty sure and open-mided bisexual wouldn't care
I know I wouldn't
So if I'm bi and not pan, but I'm cool with sexing a transgender, what does that make me?
Cause I'm not pan.
I'm bi. Without a judgemental mindset. I just refuse to believe we can start making up genders
Thats fine. My issue is you were saying that they were the same thing
What's the difference?
I'd still like to know
because all I'm seeing so far is Pan = Open-Minded Bi
Pans are willing to accept that there are 5 genders or something?
When medical science and the people who are those other 2 that have been made up say nay-nay?
it isn't.... and I am fucking done talking about it with someone who is not understanding. I have to go to bed i have to wake up in the morning
Saying "it isn't" over and over will not help your case
the thing you just said made sense
I'm debating. Your points are just completely flawed.
Bisexuality claims there are 2 genders
3 if we count herms
but go on
no we aren't
ok
the raw definition says male or female
correct
With Pansexual's, they like everyone. male, female, transgenders, Herms, etc
they aren't the same
that i what I am saying
Ok, see, here's where I get confused
You're saying that Bis see only 2 genders
but Pan's like everyone
those are two completely different point
points*
how many genders do pans see?
none?
Because you have to realize that's impossible
Bi's can't like everyone? Cause I do
sounds pretty much the same to me
Noben considers herself a female. No one can tell her she isn't.
male, female, transgenders, Herms, etc
I am not telling her she isn't
Male and Female, Transgenders are male and female as per medical science and those who have gone under the knife
HELL some of the people i sleep with are guys who consider themselves female
thats fine
you said we're not counting herms but if we are open minded bis don't care
But they're still male physically
therefore male.
Female in their mind
under the knife, now female
as for bi's i wasn't for Pans I was
So bi's are now not allowed to recognize herms?
...
I'm totally fine with sleeping with a herm. I have 0 issue about that. I have no issue with loving a herm
It doesn't matter to me
We'll count them as a third. Open minded bi's are cool with herm
also you said 'etc'
what's the 'etc'
See I'm just not getting you points at all
supposedly there are 6 types of sexes
ok
male, female, herm, transgender, transexual, ?
no clue what the 6th is
I am trying to get that information.
I learned it in my Sex theory class
lemme know when you have the 6th on
one*
cause I'm actually thoroughly interested in this
well apparently one article say it is fish [:P]
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/tim-.....ders-are-there
...fish? XD
what
anyway I have work in the morning i will do more research tomrrow and get back to you. I need sleep and waking up at 5am sucks
I must read
ditty
ditto*
So let's not use religion in this huh? Stick to facts and science
just saying
*at this point it changes to normal chit-chat because we both realize we need to go to bed for work tomorrow.*
