Petition to take Daniel Tosh off the air.
13 years ago
General
"We are made to persist."
*clicks, reads* HE. DID. W H A T ? !
Oh no. No no no. This shit is ON.
If you don’t go sign this I do not know you.
Maybe it’s only a petition with limited impact, but just fucking do it.
https://www.change.org/petitions/ce.....sh-off-the-air
Oh no. No no no. This shit is ON.
If you don’t go sign this I do not know you.
Maybe it’s only a petition with limited impact, but just fucking do it.
https://www.change.org/petitions/ce.....sh-off-the-air
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wildmark
mitsozuka
foxystallion
She essentially walked into crossfire calling out someone like Daniel Tosh and kind of made a scene out of her own outrage. Whether she is or isn't a victim of some kind of act of rape, she really shouldn't have said anything and left with her own dignity. ._.;
Evil persists when good men do nothing, and looking away is tantamount to doing nothing.
Perhaps it's not fair to silence Tosh, but then, that's exactly what he did to a woman who called him out. If you know the statistics, there's a good chance she could have been assaulted after the show if she hadn't left when she did, and if she had been, we wouldn't be signing a petition to get him taken off the air; we'd be hearing about court proceedings in which he was charged with the incitement of a crime.
Was it necessarily a good idea to stand up and call him out during a live show? No, definitely not. However to call into question the response to something worthy of outrage as "insane" is not only victim-blaming, it's perpetuation of a culture in which this sort of thing is the status quo. Oppression is the norm, and when the oppressed attempt to counter it, they are denounced as "insane", "whiners", "pussies", "needing to grow a pair", "Butt hurt" and so on.
If the woman who called him out did happen to be a rape victim it's entirely probable that she wouldn't be willing to seek the help she undoubtedly needs, because of the slut-shaming and victim-blaming that is so pervasive in our culture.
What exactly is destructive about demanding that someone be held accountable for the perpetuation of rape culture? Free speech doesn't mean you can say what you want with no consequences, free speech means you can say what you want as long as you're responsible for your opinions. There is no freedom without responsibility. Again, to be fair though, probably not wise to call out an entertainer during their show. She did, there were consequences, free will for everybody.
As to the woman being in danger, quite frankly that's a real possibility. If you're a woman in public in the U.S. there is a very real chance that you could be assaulted, and it's a much greater likelihood than if you're male. I consider that a real social problem worth addressing, coming from someone who actually has not only lived out of a car parked wherever I could find a spot I wouldn't be bothered, but who's also held a job while doing so, and while living out of a tent.
There's plenty to be pissed off about if you're paying attention; I don't usually make a fuss about it, I carry on as best I can, in spite of being a marginalized person on every possible axis except race. I've been through some shit that has brought people to tears when I described it, and I have a lot of battle scars, both mental and physical. You might say I'm biased, I would say I'm quietly suppressing my natural outrage at being shit on constantly. This is something where I'm not content to just keep calm and carry on; I am, however, perfectly willing to consider dissenting opinions and enter into debate. As angry as I might be, I do my best not to retaliate against the perpetuation of hatred and violence with more hatred and violence, because that solves nothing. It is not hatred motivating me to hold Tosh accountable for his actions; anger, certainly, but not hatred. And for me, it actually takes much more bravery to speak out, stick to my guns, and engage in dialogue than it does to remain silent. I'm assuming that we're simply going to disagree on this, and I'm fine with that if there's no possibility of any other outcome. You've presented your thoughts for my consideration, and these are mine presented for yours.
TL;DR- Yes it was stupid to call out an entertainer for his bullshit during his show, but that doesn't change the fact that it's bullshit. Not only is it bullshit, it's bullshit that carries a plague of apathy that perpetuates social injustice. I'm not mad that an entertainer got heckled and heckled back, I'm mad that an influential entertainer is perpetuating a cultural problem that has, in the past, affected me and others I know fairly traumatically.
It's fine that Tosh's intention is to be offensive, but this is something else entirely. This is the perpetuation of a culture that accepts injustices as the status quo. Everyone could know better than to act the way they do, but very very few people actually do know better, which is in fact why societies the world over are as fucked up about things as they are. They just accept social injustices as the norm.
Assuming the story behind this petition is true - and considering what a sociopathic mouthpiece Tosh is, I see little reason to doubt it - the audience followed Tosh's lead. That's not to excuse them, but as a celebrity Tosh has implicitly accepted responsibility as a role model, and the attutude of arrogant self-entitled smarm which he projects is among the worst possible. He is a social failure in that he has spectacularly and deliberately failed society in the interest of profit and popularity.
Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if there was somewhere people could go to get away from his peers and groupies, but their addictive diet of empty self-importance and cruel entertainment is ubiquitous and reinforcing a vast downward social spiral that even critics can't escape in any meaningful way beyond isolation. It's not okay that complete jerks are the shaping and defining force in our media-driven civilization. Out of this mangled context Daniel Tosh would be an outcast, not a hero.