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The best response I've heard to Daniel Tosh
13 years ago
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http://austin.culturemap.com/newsde.....ed-rape-jokes/
This article has an excellent perspective. It's possibly the most sane, collected, articulate and reasonably argued response to this incident I have yet seen, and it totally addresses the issue. 100% relevant. Trigger Warning for discussion of rape/mutilation.
It flips the perspective and brings it to bear on the people arguing in favor of the jokes, while also presenting a profound opinion. It's not a popular one but please hear me out.
It's not a joke if it hurts. But you can make those jokes not only about rape, but about any other sensitive subject, ONLY if you can deal with them with subtlety, sensitivity, and deal with them in such a way that the laughter is medicine. Comedy is a form of therapy, and it should help us to work through the hard things about our lives. If you can do that then for the love of God DO IT, because you're part of the change we need in this world.
If you cannot do it though, then sit down, shut up, and listen to this quote from the article- "But causing pain is quite a different fucking matter. Your job as a comedian is to take us through pain, transcend pain, transform pain. And if you don't get that, you are a fucking bully, and I've got zero time for bullies."- Curtis Luciani
This article has an excellent perspective. It's possibly the most sane, collected, articulate and reasonably argued response to this incident I have yet seen, and it totally addresses the issue. 100% relevant. Trigger Warning for discussion of rape/mutilation.
It flips the perspective and brings it to bear on the people arguing in favor of the jokes, while also presenting a profound opinion. It's not a popular one but please hear me out.
It's not a joke if it hurts. But you can make those jokes not only about rape, but about any other sensitive subject, ONLY if you can deal with them with subtlety, sensitivity, and deal with them in such a way that the laughter is medicine. Comedy is a form of therapy, and it should help us to work through the hard things about our lives. If you can do that then for the love of God DO IT, because you're part of the change we need in this world.
If you cannot do it though, then sit down, shut up, and listen to this quote from the article- "But causing pain is quite a different fucking matter. Your job as a comedian is to take us through pain, transcend pain, transform pain. And if you don't get that, you are a fucking bully, and I've got zero time for bullies."- Curtis Luciani
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on the other hand, i do believe in freedom of speech and expression, and comedy as a subjective art from.
Ricky Gervais put it Brilliantly in one of his standup specials after make a pedophile joke "you tell jokes like these with the expressed understanding that neither party is actually like this, i wouldn't go up to a known pedophile and go 'oi mate, you're going to love this' i would never do that" I think the same thing could be said of rape jokes (and really, pedophile jokes are pretty much rape jokes. :/
but you also should direct them to a member of the audience when you don't know what's happened to them in their life.
but as an audince member, you should also not go to a comedy show of someone who does jokes that offend you.
i think rape and pedophilia are horrible things, but at the same time, i don't think you should put a clamp on an art form... does that make any sense? >_o
They didn't know Tosh was performing. The person who got insulted was there to see whoever was on *after* him, and had no idea who he even was when he made the joke.
So while I would normally agree, the fact that this poor woman had NO clue about the hornets' nest she was stepping into makes this whole thing just that much worse.
It's a good quote from Ricky Gervais. You have to handle subjects that could hurt people with a great deal of subtlety, the line is razor fine. Tosh looks at these subjects and goes, " Line? What line? Fuck ya'll I do what I want!"
For someone in his position that's just not acceptable to me. Literally millions of people are influenced by his comedy. That's a lot of power, and I don't think it should be so convenient for him to abuse it with impunity. If you wanna speak freely, take responsibility for your opinions. When you hurt someone, you apologize sincerely and you take a step back and go " Hey, maybe I don't have what it takes to pull off these jokes, how do other people use similar material without getting chewed out about it?" And you go and you learn from your mistakes.
Am I making sense?