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13 years ago
This is just something I need to get off my chest as it's bugging me right now
If you are offering art free or otherwise you should let folks know what you won't do right from the get go
Like if you are burnt out on drawing something because you've been doing a lot of it lately
Let your visitors know that you won't draw that so they don't feel like they're wasting time
Your time or their time.
This way they can move on to someone who will draw what they want to draw.
Let's say someone only has one character like I do.
Artist A is offering free art to anyone who asks for it, I go hey, I'll let them draw me 'cause they haven't before....
I post a reply in the tread about the free art, next I expect a few PMs to get it all over and done with....
Artist A sends me a PM of what I want drawn, now at this point I'm looking forward to seeing me done in their style
I PM back to them I want my character drawn all big, buff & fluffy like he normally is drawn by others
Along with a URL to my page here for reference, so they know what I look like and how others have drawn me
Artist A then PM's me that they don't want to draw me 'cause they're burnt out on drawing macros
I PM back that they should then go ahead & draw someone else instead in my place if that's the case
Artist A then PMs asking me do I have any other characters, and I tell them that don't have any other character
So far we've wasted time PMing back & forth for awhile about this whole situation when it should of been avoided
From the get go by the Artist saying "hey I'm doing free art, but I'm not drawing XYZ currently" oh their post(s)
What have I learned from this is the following.....
1. Next time I see someone offering free art I should know there's a catch to it, and that I won't be going to them when they want art paid for in the future, as why should I even bother if they are 'burnt out' on drawing macros
2. That folks that offer free art or even paid art should tell folks what they won't do so folks don't waste time by going back & forth for several mins playing ping pong with PM's when it shouldn't have happened in the first place
3. Folks need to communicate better so this sort of thing doesn't happen in the future
Think of this as a public service announcement to all Artists on FA
If you are offering art free or otherwise you should let folks know what you won't do right from the get go
Like if you are burnt out on drawing something because you've been doing a lot of it lately
Let your visitors know that you won't draw that so they don't feel like they're wasting time
Your time or their time.
This way they can move on to someone who will draw what they want to draw.
Let's say someone only has one character like I do.
Artist A is offering free art to anyone who asks for it, I go hey, I'll let them draw me 'cause they haven't before....
I post a reply in the tread about the free art, next I expect a few PMs to get it all over and done with....
Artist A sends me a PM of what I want drawn, now at this point I'm looking forward to seeing me done in their style
I PM back to them I want my character drawn all big, buff & fluffy like he normally is drawn by others
Along with a URL to my page here for reference, so they know what I look like and how others have drawn me
Artist A then PM's me that they don't want to draw me 'cause they're burnt out on drawing macros
I PM back that they should then go ahead & draw someone else instead in my place if that's the case
Artist A then PMs asking me do I have any other characters, and I tell them that don't have any other character
So far we've wasted time PMing back & forth for awhile about this whole situation when it should of been avoided
From the get go by the Artist saying "hey I'm doing free art, but I'm not drawing XYZ currently" oh their post(s)
What have I learned from this is the following.....
1. Next time I see someone offering free art I should know there's a catch to it, and that I won't be going to them when they want art paid for in the future, as why should I even bother if they are 'burnt out' on drawing macros
2. That folks that offer free art or even paid art should tell folks what they won't do so folks don't waste time by going back & forth for several mins playing ping pong with PM's when it shouldn't have happened in the first place
3. Folks need to communicate better so this sort of thing doesn't happen in the future
Think of this as a public service announcement to all Artists on FA
Not aimed at anyone really Illogical, just something that happened to me earlier, and just bugged me a bit that I had to go though all that
When it's something no one should have to go though if folks just let other folks know this stuff before even bothering in the first place
It's called good PR, if you have bad PR, folks won't return to you for your business, they'll go elsewhere in the future
The entire thing left me with a feeling I shouldn't have had to jump through all those hoops only to be told no
I should of been informed on their post that they weren't doing any, I got my hopes up only to have them dashed
I don't want anyone else to go through the same thing I did, so I posted this as a call out to all artists
That they need to let folks know ahead of time that they aren't doing XYZPDQ 'cause they're "burnt out" on doing it so often
Anyone who has a bad time with any kind of service needs to know this stuff before they have a bad time with it
It's one reason I kinda keep to myself a lot online, bad experiences like this just make me want to go offline
When it's not my fault these things happen, it's because someone didn't bother to say anything about it beforehand
I got my hopes up, and then the boom got lowered, and I felt like garbage for having to even bothered them in the
first place, like it was all my fault for even asking them to draw me, they were the ones offering something no strings
attached, or so it seemed, only to turn around and say by the way there are strings attached to this offer after all
Lesson learned, no such thing as a free lunch, even here there isn't, everything comes with strings attached to it
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise
The point is that the post / thread made it sound like that they'd would draw anything, no questions asked at all
Then to turn around and say, oh, not drawing that, when they should of said that in the post / thread before hand
It's not rocket science, I least I hope it isn't anyway
It's called having to jump through too many hoops when you didn't need to in the first place
I wouldn't have bothered in the first place if I had known before hand
I didn't because they seemed to forgot to say that before hand
I'm nice enough that I won't name names here
I could, but I won't
Thanks, yea I guess I'm a bit miffed, but mostly disappointed, yet another example of why I am shy 'round folks, I'm always expecting to be turned down
It took me a long time to get out of my shell and here I feel like going right back into it after this mess
It took me even longer to ask for a nude pic, I'm glad I did, as it turned out better then I hoped
Sometimes all it takes is one negative situation to get me wondering why I even bother at all
~ snuggles with you to feel better ~
I hear ya, most that I've seen will list what they will not do, but macro/hyper is rarely on that list. I've seen others where they want only those types, or certain body type of furs.
However, I know not everything is free, hence why I tend to offer collabs instead. I get art, I put work into it, and both me and the artist get credit for the work.
I moved it to my other account by the way in case your wondering where is poofed off to
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/FunrirWoulfe/
It's in the scraps folder there
part of my effort to clean up my page here & only have commissioned art here
and my scribbles all there
I hardly see it not being on a will not draw list, if I do, away it goes, you lost me as a customer right there whoever you were.
Same here, because I had to jump through all these hoops only to find out that they aren't drawing me at all
Well you just lost a customer, a future one at that, as if it's gonna happen w/ free art, it's gonna happen w/ paid art too
I don't want to go through it again with the same person, ever, lesson learned, don't trust anyone who's offering something for nothing
Too much of a hassle
Yeah sometimes it's just too much hassle for artwork. free or paid.
Yup, you got that right, it's all about presentation, what's around them, the environment plays a big part in the drawing, sometimes who's around them also
Huge character, normal background, in foreground, small character, micro picture, change the background to a cityscape, now the huge char is macro and the small char is a normal sized type, lets say they don't like drawing cityscapes all those straight lines, fine lets make it the wilderness then, trees, mountains, etc, still the same idea, or perhaps the main char is bigger then that, make the mountains, etc, smaller to show that it is, and so on
That's just off of my head there, I know what some will say tho' you draw it then, I'd say to them, you seen my art ? No, I mean really, you seen my art ?
The main reason I even bother folks to draw my char is I'm still at the scribble stage when it comes to drawing, it's a very rough style of art.
It's not the worst there is, but no one is rushing to have me draw for them for free even, I don't charge a single dime for it, 'cause no one will pay anyway
Heck, if folks won't take a free one, they ain't gonna pay for it, right ? Only logical, yes ?
So my drawings are mostly of myself 'cause no one's gonna line up for my scribbles, so my art stays separate from this stuff here as it looks crude next to it.
Very crude, like I'm still learning, and yes I am still learning, but at least I'm trying even tho' it's still a crude drawing style.
So yeah, I'm disappointed that I had to go through what I went through, here is someone who can draw loads better then me, but didn't feel like it, say what ?
This is another lesson I walk away with, no matter how good you think someone is, they can't draw everything one can imagine.
I think the point I'm tying to make is basically 'False Advertising' ( A.K.A ) who you gonna screw today ? ( and not the good kind of screw )
Artist A posts on their page - I'm offering free art, no strings attached ( or alternately 100 slots for $5 or whatever have you )
Customer B reply to the post - Okay, then you'll draw my character right ? ( has the cash if this is a pay commission )
Artist A in a PM - What's your character like ? ( this should NOT be a warning sign, but folks might take it as one in the future )
Customer B reply to the PM - Oh, he's very muscular like & puts in a ref url as part of the PM ( so the artist has a rough idea )
Artist A in PM reply - I don't draw hyper muscular, you got any other char ? ( now THIS is a warning sign for sure )
Customer B in PM reply - No, just this one character.... ( feeling like dirt for even asking in the first place, waste of time )
Artist A in PM reply - Sorry ( and there we have it, the sign that this person should of been honest in advertising )
Customer B in PM replay - Go draw someone else in your list then ( translation, you just lost a future customer, have a nice day )
Now had they advertised it differently or at least be honest in advertising it would of gone like this
Artist A posts on their page - I'm offering free art, HOWEVER, no herms, no cubs, no hypers, no micros, no macros, etc etc etc
Customer B then just skips the offer all together, no PMing back and forth for several mins of time, end of story
The top situation should NEVER have to happen, it's a bad situation that looses future customers real fast like, the bottom situation is a better option
I'm glad I posted this I feel much better after talking about it
~ snuggles ~
dis is faster way, eh ?
~ tail wags lots ~
Go fig, eh ?